The Matrix Reloaded Plot Theories
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 by Asimo | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
*** SPOILER ALERT ***
A few notes before you continue on with this thread:
1) There *will* be spoilers
2) If you’re here to talk about how much you hated the movie, please take it to the appropriate thread
With that said, after viewing Reloaded I was left with as many questions as I went in with, so if you have a take on what happened in the movie, please post ‘em here.
My thoughts on a few things:
.=Zion=.
Two things that we know for sure at the end of the movie is that a) Neo stopped a sentinel while “outside” of the Matrix, and
Agent Smith is now in Zion. These two facts point to one thing: Zion is not the “real world” but is, in fact another portion of the Matrix.
.=The Coma=.
After stopping the sentinel Neo slips into a “coma”. I believe that Neo had a moment of ‘self realization’ when he did this that ‘blew his mind’, so to speak. If Zion is still technically within the Matrix, then it is very conceivable that Neo is AI and this realization caused a failure in his code. Or if he is human, it could be that this portion of the Matrix has a different security level in the code and since we’re still technically bound by the rules of the Matrix while within the Matrix, Neo’s realization causes a system error that boot’s him from the system. Either way I think that the coma is induced by code that is either a) written that way so if you “become aware” within this portion of the Matrix then you get kicked from the system, or an error in the code that cannot handle self realization in this portion of the Matrix.
.=Zion Revisited=.
If Zion is still a part of the Matrix, or a different ‘security level’ then everything that entails getting to Zion (taking the red pill, breaking free, getting flushed, etc.) are part an elaborate program to convince these individuals that they are now free of the Matrix and are now in the “real world”. If this is the case then it is still entirely possible that everyone is AI and this is an attempt by the larger part of the system to “convince” these portions of the AI that they are, in fact human. If everyone is not AI, then it still makes sense to create an area like this to ‘contain’ these renegades that cannot be contained by the “level 1” version of the Matrix.
.=The Rave Scene=.
There are no gratuitous sex scenes in The Matrix, and I believe that this scene is imagery of a much larger event, that being the union of Neo and Trinity. Perhaps it is of major significance that their “code” merges, or perhaps it is important that we see that they are passionate for one another rather than assume that they are. If we never seem them “together” then we can only assume that they have been intimate, so I think that we’ll find out that it was important that they “merged”. This could actually be a huge point of the last movie.
.=Random Thoughts=.
If AI is written good enough it will not be able to comprehend that it is AI, as this is self defeating to a “pure” AI system. Is it possible that we are watching the creation of the first AI ever that Morpheus mentions in the first Matrix? Is this cycle of Zion a recompiling and running of new code to test the compassion level of the AI towards humans? Could it be that Neo, is in fact the purpose of the AI and the point is to create AI (Neo) that is 100% compassionate towards humans so as to advert world destruction. Did they run a simulation of the AI and deem that if left to its own devices that it would attempt to destroy humanity, so Neo is the “fine tuning” process to make AI “compassionate” towards humanity? The one “failing” of humanity, according to the Architect is hope, and Neo now has that...
I have more but my fingers are tired
A few notes before you continue on with this thread:
1) There *will* be spoilers
2) If you’re here to talk about how much you hated the movie, please take it to the appropriate thread
With that said, after viewing Reloaded I was left with as many questions as I went in with, so if you have a take on what happened in the movie, please post ‘em here.
My thoughts on a few things:
.=Zion=.
Two things that we know for sure at the end of the movie is that a) Neo stopped a sentinel while “outside” of the Matrix, and
Agent Smith is now in Zion. These two facts point to one thing: Zion is not the “real world” but is, in fact another portion of the Matrix. .=The Coma=.
After stopping the sentinel Neo slips into a “coma”. I believe that Neo had a moment of ‘self realization’ when he did this that ‘blew his mind’, so to speak. If Zion is still technically within the Matrix, then it is very conceivable that Neo is AI and this realization caused a failure in his code. Or if he is human, it could be that this portion of the Matrix has a different security level in the code and since we’re still technically bound by the rules of the Matrix while within the Matrix, Neo’s realization causes a system error that boot’s him from the system. Either way I think that the coma is induced by code that is either a) written that way so if you “become aware” within this portion of the Matrix then you get kicked from the system, or
an error in the code that cannot handle self realization in this portion of the Matrix..=Zion Revisited=.
If Zion is still a part of the Matrix, or a different ‘security level’ then everything that entails getting to Zion (taking the red pill, breaking free, getting flushed, etc.) are part an elaborate program to convince these individuals that they are now free of the Matrix and are now in the “real world”. If this is the case then it is still entirely possible that everyone is AI and this is an attempt by the larger part of the system to “convince” these portions of the AI that they are, in fact human. If everyone is not AI, then it still makes sense to create an area like this to ‘contain’ these renegades that cannot be contained by the “level 1” version of the Matrix.
.=The Rave Scene=.
There are no gratuitous sex scenes in The Matrix, and I believe that this scene is imagery of a much larger event, that being the union of Neo and Trinity. Perhaps it is of major significance that their “code” merges, or perhaps it is important that we see that they are passionate for one another rather than assume that they are. If we never seem them “together” then we can only assume that they have been intimate, so I think that we’ll find out that it was important that they “merged”. This could actually be a huge point of the last movie.
.=Random Thoughts=.
If AI is written good enough it will not be able to comprehend that it is AI, as this is self defeating to a “pure” AI system. Is it possible that we are watching the creation of the first AI ever that Morpheus mentions in the first Matrix? Is this cycle of Zion a recompiling and running of new code to test the compassion level of the AI towards humans? Could it be that Neo, is in fact the purpose of the AI and the point is to create AI (Neo) that is 100% compassionate towards humans so as to advert world destruction. Did they run a simulation of the AI and deem that if left to its own devices that it would attempt to destroy humanity, so Neo is the “fine tuning” process to make AI “compassionate” towards humanity? The one “failing” of humanity, according to the Architect is hope, and Neo now has that...
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Chris
Reply #42 Friday, May 23, 2003 6:04 PM
Reply #42 Friday, May 23, 2003 6:04 PM
It's my understanding that the Oracle is supposed to be in matrix 3, but the actress who played her in 1 and 2 passed awy before filming her bit.
Asimo
Reply #43 Friday, May 23, 2003 6:35 PM
Reply #43 Friday, May 23, 2003 6:35 PM
I think that she tells him to understand why he made the choice because it is a “power” that he is not currently in touch with, but he clearly has. He does things at times that almost make no sense to himself (like going upstairs in the beginning when he ‘sensed’ the agents) and realizes why he did it only after it is done. Like in the first movie with the kung-fu: at first he uses it within the boundaries of the Matrix, but once he understands how to stop thinking about it and just do it, he is able to manipulate the Matrix almost at his desire. Perhaps they know what choices he will make because they are basing his actions somewhat on probabilities, something which machines are very efficient at (nuke bomb technology is an example of this in action).
Jafo
Reply #44 Friday, May 23, 2003 6:43 PM
Reply #44 Friday, May 23, 2003 6:43 PM
After the sequence with the 'Architect' I kept having thoughts of those strange creatures known as Scientologists....and thinking any minute now a 'Matrix' religion willbe registered by some very 'strange folk' just as occured in the UK with the Jedi from Star Wars.
That being the case, I think the parallels to such things biblical is a valid theory.....it's all about 'life' and 'being' and 'belief'.
Interestingly, the last time I can recall people discussing the 'meaning' within a film so extensively was back when 2001 came out....and endless debates about the 'why' of it all.
This is something that the likes of Star Wars will ever have to worry about, being such kiddie brain-food.
The true 'worth' of a movie is its subsequent debate...
Asimo
Reply #45 Saturday, May 24, 2003 12:21 AM
Reply #45 Saturday, May 24, 2003 12:21 AM
Jafo –
Lets hope that the biblical (several religions actually) references/symbolism throughout the two Matrix films are blatant enough that people realize that these movies are not preaching a new word, rather telling bit’s and pieces from existing religions… But on the bright side, if they were organized enough to form the plots of this trilogy into “The Truth”, then perhaps we could point them to this thread to have them clear up some of my questions! Hehehehe…
The Jedi… oh my… hmmm, are there Sith? Wait, don’t answer that, heh…
Lets hope that the biblical (several religions actually) references/symbolism throughout the two Matrix films are blatant enough that people realize that these movies are not preaching a new word, rather telling bit’s and pieces from existing religions… But on the bright side, if they were organized enough to form the plots of this trilogy into “The Truth”, then perhaps we could point them to this thread to have them clear up some of my questions! Hehehehe…
The Jedi… oh my… hmmm, are there Sith? Wait, don’t answer that, heh…
[email protected]
Reply #46 Saturday, May 24, 2003 8:14 AM
Reply #46 Saturday, May 24, 2003 8:14 AM
He didn't sense the agents, imho. He sensed Smith.
Paul Williams
Reply #47 Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:08 AM
Reply #47 Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:08 AM
my- are we not in a hissy fit- karma girls comments to me. btw- asimo started attacking me for disagreeing with her. alot of you folks here are really senistive. you need to chill out.
Paul Williams
Reply #48 Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:10 AM
Reply #48 Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:10 AM
one more thing karma girl- lots of people do not like matrix-so get used to it.
Chris
Reply #50 Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:25 AM
Reply #50 Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:25 AM
Paul Williams, without derailing this thread, Asimo did not attack you for disageeing with her.
You trolled here and intentially insulted people, and with complete disregard for the topic at hand, namely discussing the various plot points behind the movie.
No one cares whether one person liked or disliked the movie. That's not the point of this thread. There is another thread for that.
What is not acceptable are trolls and flames, which you have initiated. It's obvous that ou posted to get a rise and negative reaction from people.
You trolled here and intentially insulted people, and with complete disregard for the topic at hand, namely discussing the various plot points behind the movie.
No one cares whether one person liked or disliked the movie. That's not the point of this thread. There is another thread for that.
What is not acceptable are trolls and flames, which you have initiated. It's obvous that ou posted to get a rise and negative reaction from people.
jcg
Reply #51 Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:43 AM
Reply #51 Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:43 AM
Don't answer him anymore, he just has an inferiority complex because he's so short and hasn't had a hit since 1970.
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[Message Edited]
Paul Williams
Reply #52 Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:50 AM
Reply #52 Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:50 AM
fuck you both. 
hey chris- speaking of flaming- are you a queer? LMFAO hahahahahahahaha
hey chris- speaking of flaming- are you a queer? LMFAO hahahahahahahaha
Doomgaze
Reply #53 Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:59 AM
You mean you actually have friends? Could have fooled me...
Oh yeah, and I'm still in full agreement of Nakor as far as the plot is concerned...
Reply #53 Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:59 AM
| what plot? this was the most stupidest movie this year, and BORING!!!!! i told my friends to wake me up when it was over. |
You mean you actually have friends? Could have fooled me...
Oh yeah, and I'm still in full agreement of Nakor as far as the plot is concerned...
MarkMcQ
Reply #54 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:00 AM
Reply #54 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:00 AM
I dunno, judging by his post, I reckon he had a hit right before he started typing.......
[email protected]
Reply #55 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:01 AM
Reply #55 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:01 AM
Normally, I would have waited for Karmagirl to take care of this, but I don't know when she'll be around over the weekend.
Tell me, Mr. Williams, what good is a phone call if you can't speak?
Paul Williams
Reply #56 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:13 AM
Reply #56 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:13 AM
i give up- you matrix people will never listen. why do i get upset? some people here get nasty and attack me. well...i attack back. only defending myself.
Doomgaze
Reply #57 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:15 AM
Reply #57 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:15 AM
Awww isn't that cute, a persecution complex.
Shoo troll, don't bother me...
Shoo troll, don't bother me...
Paul Williams
Reply #58 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:21 AM
Reply #58 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:21 AM
your the troll- you should go away, and stop putting stupid posts here. i guess you never grew up. awe.
Peff
Reply #59 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:23 AM
Reply #59 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:23 AM
Somebody exile this twit, please. Nothing constructive from him....ever...
Doomgaze
Reply #60 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:25 AM
Reply #60 Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:25 AM
Never grew up? (And you're proving my point, keep it up.) I haven't yet stooped to your level of questioning someone's sexuality now have I? Damn, guess I should start doing that so I can be a l33t d00d like you too huh?
And I hate to say it, 9 times out of 10, my posts probably have a much higher degree of intelligence in them than yours.
And I hate to say it, 9 times out of 10, my posts probably have a much higher degree of intelligence in them than yours.
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Reply #41 Friday, May 23, 2003 5:56 PM