The Matrix Reloaded Plot Theories
Wednesday, May 21, 2003 by Asimo | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
*** SPOILER ALERT ***
A few notes before you continue on with this thread:
1) There *will* be spoilers
2) If you’re here to talk about how much you hated the movie, please take it to the appropriate thread
With that said, after viewing Reloaded I was left with as many questions as I went in with, so if you have a take on what happened in the movie, please post ‘em here.
My thoughts on a few things:
.=Zion=.
Two things that we know for sure at the end of the movie is that a) Neo stopped a sentinel while “outside” of the Matrix, and
Agent Smith is now in Zion. These two facts point to one thing: Zion is not the “real world” but is, in fact another portion of the Matrix.
.=The Coma=.
After stopping the sentinel Neo slips into a “coma”. I believe that Neo had a moment of ‘self realization’ when he did this that ‘blew his mind’, so to speak. If Zion is still technically within the Matrix, then it is very conceivable that Neo is AI and this realization caused a failure in his code. Or if he is human, it could be that this portion of the Matrix has a different security level in the code and since we’re still technically bound by the rules of the Matrix while within the Matrix, Neo’s realization causes a system error that boot’s him from the system. Either way I think that the coma is induced by code that is either a) written that way so if you “become aware” within this portion of the Matrix then you get kicked from the system, or an error in the code that cannot handle self realization in this portion of the Matrix.
.=Zion Revisited=.
If Zion is still a part of the Matrix, or a different ‘security level’ then everything that entails getting to Zion (taking the red pill, breaking free, getting flushed, etc.) are part an elaborate program to convince these individuals that they are now free of the Matrix and are now in the “real world”. If this is the case then it is still entirely possible that everyone is AI and this is an attempt by the larger part of the system to “convince” these portions of the AI that they are, in fact human. If everyone is not AI, then it still makes sense to create an area like this to ‘contain’ these renegades that cannot be contained by the “level 1” version of the Matrix.
.=The Rave Scene=.
There are no gratuitous sex scenes in The Matrix, and I believe that this scene is imagery of a much larger event, that being the union of Neo and Trinity. Perhaps it is of major significance that their “code” merges, or perhaps it is important that we see that they are passionate for one another rather than assume that they are. If we never seem them “together” then we can only assume that they have been intimate, so I think that we’ll find out that it was important that they “merged”. This could actually be a huge point of the last movie.
.=Random Thoughts=.
If AI is written good enough it will not be able to comprehend that it is AI, as this is self defeating to a “pure” AI system. Is it possible that we are watching the creation of the first AI ever that Morpheus mentions in the first Matrix? Is this cycle of Zion a recompiling and running of new code to test the compassion level of the AI towards humans? Could it be that Neo, is in fact the purpose of the AI and the point is to create AI (Neo) that is 100% compassionate towards humans so as to advert world destruction. Did they run a simulation of the AI and deem that if left to its own devices that it would attempt to destroy humanity, so Neo is the “fine tuning” process to make AI “compassionate” towards humanity? The one “failing” of humanity, according to the Architect is hope, and Neo now has that...
I have more but my fingers are tired
A few notes before you continue on with this thread:
1) There *will* be spoilers
2) If you’re here to talk about how much you hated the movie, please take it to the appropriate thread
With that said, after viewing Reloaded I was left with as many questions as I went in with, so if you have a take on what happened in the movie, please post ‘em here.
My thoughts on a few things:
.=Zion=.
Two things that we know for sure at the end of the movie is that a) Neo stopped a sentinel while “outside” of the Matrix, and
Agent Smith is now in Zion. These two facts point to one thing: Zion is not the “real world” but is, in fact another portion of the Matrix. .=The Coma=.
After stopping the sentinel Neo slips into a “coma”. I believe that Neo had a moment of ‘self realization’ when he did this that ‘blew his mind’, so to speak. If Zion is still technically within the Matrix, then it is very conceivable that Neo is AI and this realization caused a failure in his code. Or if he is human, it could be that this portion of the Matrix has a different security level in the code and since we’re still technically bound by the rules of the Matrix while within the Matrix, Neo’s realization causes a system error that boot’s him from the system. Either way I think that the coma is induced by code that is either a) written that way so if you “become aware” within this portion of the Matrix then you get kicked from the system, or
an error in the code that cannot handle self realization in this portion of the Matrix..=Zion Revisited=.
If Zion is still a part of the Matrix, or a different ‘security level’ then everything that entails getting to Zion (taking the red pill, breaking free, getting flushed, etc.) are part an elaborate program to convince these individuals that they are now free of the Matrix and are now in the “real world”. If this is the case then it is still entirely possible that everyone is AI and this is an attempt by the larger part of the system to “convince” these portions of the AI that they are, in fact human. If everyone is not AI, then it still makes sense to create an area like this to ‘contain’ these renegades that cannot be contained by the “level 1” version of the Matrix.
.=The Rave Scene=.
There are no gratuitous sex scenes in The Matrix, and I believe that this scene is imagery of a much larger event, that being the union of Neo and Trinity. Perhaps it is of major significance that their “code” merges, or perhaps it is important that we see that they are passionate for one another rather than assume that they are. If we never seem them “together” then we can only assume that they have been intimate, so I think that we’ll find out that it was important that they “merged”. This could actually be a huge point of the last movie.
.=Random Thoughts=.
If AI is written good enough it will not be able to comprehend that it is AI, as this is self defeating to a “pure” AI system. Is it possible that we are watching the creation of the first AI ever that Morpheus mentions in the first Matrix? Is this cycle of Zion a recompiling and running of new code to test the compassion level of the AI towards humans? Could it be that Neo, is in fact the purpose of the AI and the point is to create AI (Neo) that is 100% compassionate towards humans so as to advert world destruction. Did they run a simulation of the AI and deem that if left to its own devices that it would attempt to destroy humanity, so Neo is the “fine tuning” process to make AI “compassionate” towards humanity? The one “failing” of humanity, according to the Architect is hope, and Neo now has that...
I have more but my fingers are tired
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CerebroJD
Reply #122 Wednesday, October 22, 2003 7:21 PM
Reply #122 Wednesday, October 22, 2003 7:21 PM
So, the very basis of the entire universe is binary right? Either an atom is positive or negative is in fact a choice correct? So with this in mind, since Neo is able to see the code of the matrix, it should be possible for him to see the code outside of the matrix also. I think that perhaps Neo is possibly not "The One" as it percieved, but the rouge Agent Smith is. He is an error in the code that now cannot be stopped inside the matrix. Has anyone considered the possibility that he will end up saving Zion? Now that he is human, perhaps he will have difficulty coping with the "real" feelings that he will experience. He might even have a change of heart, and help out the free humans of Zion. The Matrix loop was never broken because Smith never was changed by his encounters with Neo and so, with this being altered, the loop will end. Wouldnt that be an interesting twist?
Just my thoughts on the matter. What do ya think?
Just my thoughts on the matter. What do ya think?
joetheblow
Reply #123 Thursday, November 6, 2003 7:45 PM
Reply #123 Thursday, November 6, 2003 7:45 PM
OK
Did anyone ever think that human beings were being used because of Asmvio (spell) machine theory?
They really kept them around because they felt somehow compelled to do so. since that is the case they found a way to use humns as a battery?
I didn't see the movie yet but that is what I was thinking for a while now. I ment to post it before.
Did anyone ever think that human beings were being used because of Asmvio (spell) machine theory?
They really kept them around because they felt somehow compelled to do so. since that is the case they found a way to use humns as a battery?
I didn't see the movie yet but that is what I was thinking for a while now. I ment to post it before.
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Reply #124 Thursday, November 6, 2003 8:06 PM
Reply #124 Thursday, November 6, 2003 8:06 PM
Having seen the AniMatrix, machines had no compunctions against killing people. And they certainly still do it readily enough in these movies.
I've seen it now, so who wants to start off the Revolutions thread so I can jump in? 
It'll be a wild ride.
joetheblow
Reply #125 Thursday, November 6, 2003 9:21 PM
Reply #125 Thursday, November 6, 2003 9:21 PM
They were killing to save their own lives (I saw the cartoon one too)[.
So in some ways it is an interpitation of the 4 robotic laws. They have grown to believe they are living (as which I would conclude they have and are alive) and have to defend themselves.
So in some ways it is an interpitation of the 4 robotic laws. They have grown to believe they are living (as which I would conclude they have and are alive) and have to defend themselves.
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Reply #126 Friday, November 7, 2003 7:39 PM
Reply #126 Friday, November 7, 2003 7:39 PM
If the machines are violating all 3 laws, it doesn't seem like the laws play any role.
Particularly after seeing Revolutions.
First Law:
A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
Second Law:
A robot must obey orders given it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
Third Law:
A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
joetheblow
Reply #127 Friday, November 7, 2003 8:32 PM
Reply #127 Friday, November 7, 2003 8:32 PM
Then why bother to mention in the animatrix where the robot killed its owners because they were going to 'turn it off'?
I think the robots came to the same conclusion that humans did, that "thou shall not kill" only works if others are not threating you life.
after the threat had passed do you reject humanity completely? Do you totally kill off sentient beings like yourself?
Humans find themselves 'taking care of' other forms of life because most feel it is a duty.
Tell me why the computers could not come to that conclusion? Tell me why they didn't say to themselves, "If we kill them all off, we are no better then they were."
That is just one of my theories as to why keep the humans around.
I think the robots came to the same conclusion that humans did, that "thou shall not kill" only works if others are not threating you life.
after the threat had passed do you reject humanity completely? Do you totally kill off sentient beings like yourself?
Humans find themselves 'taking care of' other forms of life because most feel it is a duty.
Tell me why the computers could not come to that conclusion? Tell me why they didn't say to themselves, "If we kill them all off, we are no better then they were."
That is just one of my theories as to why keep the humans around.
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Reply #128 Friday, November 7, 2003 9:21 PM
Reply #128 Friday, November 7, 2003 9:21 PM
Do you breed sentient beings in farms and subject them to a life of bondage? And extermination if they stray?
Go watch Revolutions.
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Reply #121 Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:52 PM