Good Vs. Evil
Tuesday, March 4, 2003 by joetheblow | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Who wins? Why? Is it really winning if the outcome is already settled?
More on this later.
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kthxbye
Reply #23 Tuesday, March 4, 2003 8:17 PM
Reply #23 Tuesday, March 4, 2003 8:17 PM
Krispy Kremes!! AUGH!
That's what I forgot at the grocery store today.
Yes, those /are/ evil - but a delightfully good sort of evil.
That's what I forgot at the grocery store today.
Yes, those /are/ evil - but a delightfully good sort of evil.
Elfkura
Reply #25 Tuesday, March 4, 2003 8:31 PM
Reply #25 Tuesday, March 4, 2003 8:31 PM
good and bad are placed by likes and dislikes. If we don't like it, then we think it's bad, if we like it, then we think it's good.
Elfkura
Reply #27 Tuesday, March 4, 2003 9:21 PM
Reply #27 Tuesday, March 4, 2003 9:21 PM
You're grayhaze, as said by your username. Or, if you prefer, Kevin Purcell. 
joetheblow
Reply #28 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:20 AM
Reply #28 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:20 AM
hmmm... I have been thinking about this for some time now. I wrote poetry on the subject and plan to write 3 books (3 book series) on it as well.
My initial question was perpusely vague. How can I ask who wins, and why with out setting some peramiteres. Some seemed to speak of beliefs and others of who writes history. Some feel it is an opinion.
i was tuaght to believe that Good always wins over evil because that is the way it is. Whether acts are considered good or evil is almost erelevent when it comes down to what it really is.
A rose by any other name would smell just the same.
Someone could say an act was evil while other say it is good, but in the end it is what it is and nothing more.
Hiroshima? Consentration Camps? 9/11? Slavery? Torture? Money? Trade and Barter society? Capitalist Society? Communist Society?
My initial question was perpusely vague. How can I ask who wins, and why with out setting some peramiteres. Some seemed to speak of beliefs and others of who writes history. Some feel it is an opinion.
i was tuaght to believe that Good always wins over evil because that is the way it is. Whether acts are considered good or evil is almost erelevent when it comes down to what it really is.
A rose by any other name would smell just the same.
Someone could say an act was evil while other say it is good, but in the end it is what it is and nothing more.
Hiroshima? Consentration Camps? 9/11? Slavery? Torture? Money? Trade and Barter society? Capitalist Society? Communist Society?
joetheblow
Reply #29 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:23 AM
Reply #29 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:23 AM
Who is a witch? Are you a witch? You always can tell time and know when the weather changes. You drive a hourseless carage... You fly in shiny wooden boxes and disapper into the sky.
Then you claim the Earth is round. Blasphemer!!!
Then you claim the Earth is round. Blasphemer!!!
Angel_Wings
Reply #30 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:31 AM
Reply #30 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:31 AM
Ignorance propagates evil...
Evil? What is it? Okay, 'evil' being that which is first 'thought/created' and then propelled in malicious ways often by a belief system wrought with inequities and malcontent...mostly vocalized by a constituency of religious bias...and propelled by vacuous minds fraught with mindless adherence to a following of said beliefs... Yes, Ignorance is not bliss...ignorance is bloodyl, "Shmoopy"
Evil? What is it? Okay, 'evil' being that which is first 'thought/created' and then propelled in malicious ways often by a belief system wrought with inequities and malcontent...mostly vocalized by a constituency of religious bias...and propelled by vacuous minds fraught with mindless adherence to a following of said beliefs... Yes, Ignorance is not bliss...ignorance is bloodyl, "Shmoopy"
Angel_Wings
Reply #31 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:38 AM
Reply #31 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:38 AM
I know this now. Every man gives his life for what he believes. Every woman gives her life for what she believes. Sometimes people believe in little or nothing yet they give their lives to that little or nothing. One life is all we have and we live it as we believe in living it. And then it is gone. But to sacrifice what you are and live without belief, that's more terrible than dying.
-Joan of Arc
-Joan of Arc
joetheblow
Reply #32 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:55 AM
Reply #32 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 12:55 AM
The apple from the Tree of Knowledge given to Eve to give to Adam (as the story goes). Thier were 3 players in that (and maybe 4 if you want to count God indirectly for creating the tree in the first place.) One conviced Eve to take tha apple. Eve then gave it to Adam. Adams ignorance or just plain going against the orders of God ate the apple.
So who is Evil? The apple? Once I believe someone told me the apple was evil. So if he belived it is it true?
almost forgot
My belive is that Good overpowers evil because of one difference and only one. Good has the ability to do evil, but the knowledge and strength to know not to. With out that ability eventually you will self distruct. As evil, eventually the actions would show the lack to care your yourself and make a decicion that would ultimately take you and possibly anyone around you to distruction.
So who is Evil? The apple? Once I believe someone told me the apple was evil. So if he belived it is it true?
almost forgot
My belive is that Good overpowers evil because of one difference and only one. Good has the ability to do evil, but the knowledge and strength to know not to. With out that ability eventually you will self distruct. As evil, eventually the actions would show the lack to care your yourself and make a decicion that would ultimately take you and possibly anyone around you to distruction.
Angel_Wings
Reply #33 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:00 AM
Reply #33 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:00 AM
Yes, 'good' having a 'conscience' and evil not having one at all...
Or the "sociopath" whom can feel compassion and self-pity for himself but none for his fellow men and would easily 'bash the brains in' of his enemy without even contemplating his 'enemy's' wife and family and children.
Hence, our psychopaths borne without compassion ore empathy or good... "emotional, empathic ignorance" can be just as much a stigma upon one's soul as intellectual ignorance...
Sad, but true.
Or the "sociopath" whom can feel compassion and self-pity for himself but none for his fellow men and would easily 'bash the brains in' of his enemy without even contemplating his 'enemy's' wife and family and children.
Hence, our psychopaths borne without compassion ore empathy or good... "emotional, empathic ignorance" can be just as much a stigma upon one's soul as intellectual ignorance...
Sad, but true.
Angel_Wings
Reply #34 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:04 AM
Reply #34 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:04 AM
And yes, I believe good is always more powerful than evil...
Positive energy against the negative...
Sadly, it's the Positive-Negative ions of the universe that have developed nuclear energy... Something Einstein immensely regretted.
Without the 'negative' there is no need for 'positive' and visa-versa...hence...our ongoing struggle to maintain the delicate balance of 'harmony'...
Positive energy against the negative...
Sadly, it's the Positive-Negative ions of the universe that have developed nuclear energy... Something Einstein immensely regretted.
Without the 'negative' there is no need for 'positive' and visa-versa...hence...our ongoing struggle to maintain the delicate balance of 'harmony'...
Styl-X Design
Reply #35 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:26 AM
Reply #35 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 1:26 AM
And again the question raises what is good, and what it evil?
A terrorist, I am sure all of you think his is evil not?
one mans terrorist is a ohter man's freedomfighter.
A terrorist, I am sure all of you think his is evil not?
one mans terrorist is a ohter man's freedomfighter.
joetheblow
Reply #36 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 2:13 AM
Reply #36 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 2:13 AM
ahhh... even the "phcsycopath" who would save himself and kill others is still headed for a path of self destruction. For one, he would be pissing allot of people off and eventually meet the person (or thing) that would end his feelings. Even if his way of life was exepted and others started doing it, in the end it would spread and all would be doomed.... so self disruction still becomes the end.
I am sure a terrorist by name is not good at all, but those who call a terrorist a terrorist probably would not call them heros of which the other side would.
What I think is the case is probaly universal law that good is a mixture of 2 sides and the ability and knowledge to still be good. While evil is only one sided and inbalacanced. I think this is why good stays on top because of the balance. Evil can not maintain the balance.
So the nuclear reaction might be seen as distuction but it is possible that when the noise settles, the Good is the only thing left. Battle and brused but still there.
This is what I have accumilated so far on my stay on Earth. I do not know when I have to report back to the mother ship but hopefully it won't be soon.
I am sure a terrorist by name is not good at all, but those who call a terrorist a terrorist probably would not call them heros of which the other side would.
What I think is the case is probaly universal law that good is a mixture of 2 sides and the ability and knowledge to still be good. While evil is only one sided and inbalacanced. I think this is why good stays on top because of the balance. Evil can not maintain the balance.
So the nuclear reaction might be seen as distuction but it is possible that when the noise settles, the Good is the only thing left. Battle and brused but still there.
This is what I have accumilated so far on my stay on Earth. I do not know when I have to report back to the mother ship but hopefully it won't be soon.
Old_Crab
Reply #37 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 3:06 AM
Reply #37 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 3:06 AM
It's all a matter of perspective. Hitler believed he was "good" and justified in what he did. Churchill believed he was "good" and justified in what he did. Both are of course extreme examples. Matter of perspective. Old Crab will now go to the only real good place on this earth - The Fantasyland Thread. 
@shu
Reply #38 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 3:07 AM
Reply #38 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 3:07 AM
I agree with paxx. Its winners who write history. Hence we decide what's good and evil according to who won.
None of the history books will say that the one who won was evil. They will say that only after the winner is defeated by someone else.
We've had a freedom fighter in India, Bhagat Singh. He was of the opinion that for the colonial rulers (British) to hear, he will have to speak loud (read explode bombs, use guns etc.). Though he never actually killed anybody, he was arrested and condemned to death for his militant views by the Empire. He was branded a terrorist. He was Evil. But after India achieved Independence (through non-violent means, I am proud to say), he was proclaimed a martyr. So now, we read that Bhagat Singh was a Good man.
None of the history books will say that the one who won was evil. They will say that only after the winner is defeated by someone else.
We've had a freedom fighter in India, Bhagat Singh. He was of the opinion that for the colonial rulers (British) to hear, he will have to speak loud (read explode bombs, use guns etc.). Though he never actually killed anybody, he was arrested and condemned to death for his militant views by the Empire. He was branded a terrorist. He was Evil. But after India achieved Independence (through non-violent means, I am proud to say), he was proclaimed a martyr. So now, we read that Bhagat Singh was a Good man.
craeonics
Reply #39 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 3:53 AM
Reply #39 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 3:53 AM
Random thoughts on a wednesday morning, whilst looking down on Terra Barbaria from my space station:
1. context is everything (had to say it)
2. don't judge the past by today's standards (and continuing that thought: don't judge other cultures based on your own)
3. good and evil are social constructs, what is "good" to group A at point B in space and time may be considered as "evil" by group C in space/time location D
4. people who need such social constructs in order to survive in this world are cannot take things as they are. They should expand their view perhaps
Ah hell, listen to Paxmaster and Mr Plurality.
1. context is everything (had to say it)
2. don't judge the past by today's standards (and continuing that thought: don't judge other cultures based on your own)
3. good and evil are social constructs, what is "good" to group A at point B in space and time may be considered as "evil" by group C in space/time location D
4. people who need such social constructs in order to survive in this world are cannot take things as they are. They should expand their view perhaps
Ah hell, listen to Paxmaster and Mr Plurality.
Doreen
Reply #40 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 9:39 AM
Reply #40 Wednesday, March 5, 2003 9:39 AM
hehe dutchy...
Hmmm I don't know what to say about good vs evil I let my heart tell me (which is why I'm always feeling guilty so I must be evillllllll) hehe!
I think we are born knowing by our hearts what really is evil if we listen to it more, I'm sure the ppl that do evil things on earth "know" by their own hearts what they do is evil but they do it anyways...
Hmmm I don't know what to say about good vs evil I let my heart tell me (which is why I'm always feeling guilty so I must be evillllllll) hehe!
I think we are born knowing by our hearts what really is evil if we listen to it more, I'm sure the ppl that do evil things on earth "know" by their own hearts what they do is evil but they do it anyways...
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Reply #21 Tuesday, March 4, 2003 8:08 PM