the fall of customize?
Wednesday, April 24, 2002 by John Hamp | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
When I first discovered winamp skins I went to a site called customize.org. Then I went to skinz when cust dissapeared. But since cust has come back its become a haven for l33ts. What's the deal there? Whose in charge of the zoo there? Its just wallpapers and screenshots and they constantly attack Stardock's stuff. I read on deskmod the wb3 announcement and the cust admins were on attacking it there. Then on cust itself they attack it some more. What kind of skin site has admins that bad mouth new releases of the software they support on their site?
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grayhaze
Reply #82 Sunday, April 28, 2002 7:30 AM
Reply #82 Sunday, April 28, 2002 7:30 AM
Robohead>> It's a shame that you feel that way about this site. I do think that maybe you're approaching the whole thing the wrong way though. I've experienced sites in the past where there is an overbearing element of snobbery and there's no doubt that it drives people away. I actually used a particular chat site for almost four years until the point where I couldn't stand the 'holier than thou' attitude of certain parties, at which point I left.
I think what you see here is a whole other thing entirely. What you see here is a community of people with experience and knowledge which they want to share with the newer people to the community. They don't try to force their opinions upon other people, but they try to maintain balance in the attitudes expressed in the message boards and such. That balance is very important, and if someone tries to cause trouble they won't be tolerated.
But above all, this site is intended as a fun place to be. It's a place where you can get away from the petty conflicts that regularly occur at sites which aren't quite so evenly managed. I actually find myself spending a great deal of time here, because whenever there is a debate about anything, the opinions expressed are usually presented in a thoughtful manner. There's very little of the 'you suck' mentality here, and that's the way we want it. You'll very rarely see anything like a flame war here.
Some people enjoy conflict, and it's those people who tend to feel that this air of maturity amounts to the 'holier than thou' attitude. We're here to discuss the things that interest us, and we like to do that in a grown up way.
I think what you see here is a whole other thing entirely. What you see here is a community of people with experience and knowledge which they want to share with the newer people to the community. They don't try to force their opinions upon other people, but they try to maintain balance in the attitudes expressed in the message boards and such. That balance is very important, and if someone tries to cause trouble they won't be tolerated.
But above all, this site is intended as a fun place to be. It's a place where you can get away from the petty conflicts that regularly occur at sites which aren't quite so evenly managed. I actually find myself spending a great deal of time here, because whenever there is a debate about anything, the opinions expressed are usually presented in a thoughtful manner. There's very little of the 'you suck' mentality here, and that's the way we want it. You'll very rarely see anything like a flame war here.
Some people enjoy conflict, and it's those people who tend to feel that this air of maturity amounts to the 'holier than thou' attitude. We're here to discuss the things that interest us, and we like to do that in a grown up way.
adni18
Reply #83 Sunday, April 28, 2002 10:28 AM
Reply #83 Sunday, April 28, 2002 10:28 AM
I am watching this thread from the beginning and I am with you. But, please, let this thread die! It doesn't do any good to the skinning community, in general, if you know what I mean.
jcg
Reply #84 Sunday, April 28, 2002 11:18 AM
Reply #84 Sunday, April 28, 2002 11:18 AM
I agree with adni (and yes I see th irony here). Let it drop, we are in danger of becoming what we dislike.
Frogboy
Reply #85 Sunday, April 28, 2002 1:53 PM
Reply #85 Sunday, April 28, 2002 1:53 PM
Let me put it in a different light:
There are lots of websites out there that are nasty and ugly. And there are plenty of sites out there that I've gotten flamed on. I just don't visit those sites, I don't post about them.
But Customize.org is different because it was once THE site to visit and congregate to discuss and post the things that we all have in common -- skinning.
Seeing Customize.org become what it's become isn't a matter of wanting to "Bash" it. It's a real sad thing that bothers a lot of us because of the memory of what it once was. I was one of the first people on Customize.org years ago. I've invested many hours into that site in the form of skin contributions, commenting, and just general discussion and visiting. I had felt like it was a kind of home.
How would Doreen or you or others who felt a close feeling to Skinz.org (for example) feel if suddenly the admins of the site started calling you obscene names, belittling the things you've invested your career into making, and telling you to "shut the ^*^ up and go away!"?
It is always easier to take a dispassioned point of view when it's not your rear end being flamed on a site you once cared about and thought you were intimately part of.
It's not that it's just some crummy site that is the issue. It's that it is a crummy site that was once great that I felt part of at one time. I think that others feel this way too.
There are lots of websites out there that are nasty and ugly. And there are plenty of sites out there that I've gotten flamed on. I just don't visit those sites, I don't post about them.
But Customize.org is different because it was once THE site to visit and congregate to discuss and post the things that we all have in common -- skinning.
Seeing Customize.org become what it's become isn't a matter of wanting to "Bash" it. It's a real sad thing that bothers a lot of us because of the memory of what it once was. I was one of the first people on Customize.org years ago. I've invested many hours into that site in the form of skin contributions, commenting, and just general discussion and visiting. I had felt like it was a kind of home.
How would Doreen or you or others who felt a close feeling to Skinz.org (for example) feel if suddenly the admins of the site started calling you obscene names, belittling the things you've invested your career into making, and telling you to "shut the ^*^ up and go away!"?
It is always easier to take a dispassioned point of view when it's not your rear end being flamed on a site you once cared about and thought you were intimately part of.
It's not that it's just some crummy site that is the issue. It's that it is a crummy site that was once great that I felt part of at one time. I think that others feel this way too.
amduser
Reply #86 Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:05 PM
Reply #86 Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:05 PM
I'm suprised I haven't seen a poll yet, as to which app the users think is better (styleXp or windowblinds) Just a thought.
Doreen
Reply #87 Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:39 PM
Reply #87 Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:39 PM
Brad "I" was told by alot of ppl to shut the F*** up and go away at skinz.org... (where were you on skinz.org during those dayz?)
I was told that cuz ppl did not appreciate me speaking "when, where & what I wanted" I left crying and then came back (I still don't know why I went back when I prob should have left the net then)
never the less me is "still" here hehe
I was told that cuz ppl did not appreciate me speaking "when, where & what I wanted" I left crying and then came back (I still don't know why I went back when I prob should have left the net then)
never the less me is "still" here hehe
Frogboy
Reply #88 Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:45 PM
Reply #88 Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:45 PM
The *admins* of skinz.org didn't say that to you. Big difference. It's the admins of customize.org screaming at me.
Plus there is the basic hypocricy. The same guys who say they "hate" Stardock and all its software because of me say that people shouldn't judge Customize.org based on the actions of their admins.
Plus there is the basic hypocricy. The same guys who say they "hate" Stardock and all its software because of me say that people shouldn't judge Customize.org based on the actions of their admins.
Doreen
Reply #89 Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:49 PM
Reply #89 Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:49 PM
Brian that poll would even be more interesting if it were placed on both sites Wincusto & Custo
Doreen
Reply #90 Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:58 PM
Reply #90 Sunday, April 28, 2002 3:58 PM
It did not matter who said it to me Brad cuz ppl are ppl regardless of their "Titles" (to me the President of the United States is no diff then you or I)
I think I went back to skinz.org cuz I missed crae! all I wanted was to have fun and realized those other mean ppl meant nothing to me or my life and I was not there to gain respect or make a living I was there only for fun
Brad you need to remember to have fun, yes you make your living that way but if you let every single thing get to you your living will kill you in the end...
I think I went back to skinz.org cuz I missed crae! all I wanted was to have fun and realized those other mean ppl meant nothing to me or my life and I was not there to gain respect or make a living I was there only for fun
Brad you need to remember to have fun, yes you make your living that way but if you let every single thing get to you your living will kill you in the end...
Doreen
Reply #91 Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:01 PM
Reply #91 Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:01 PM
one more thing...
everyone on the face of the earth is a hypocrite even me we all say and do things we should not and even if we don't actually do them...
(we "think" them)
everyone on the face of the earth is a hypocrite even me we all say and do things we should not and even if we don't actually do them...
(we "think" them)
DavidK
Reply #92 Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:26 PM
Reply #92 Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:26 PM
Doreen - wasn't crae one of the guys that drove you away? heh - I know I was one of the few that stuck up for you and tried to keep you there. Can't remember what crae was sayin at the time but the flap was over you talking too much or something like that. Too many OT posts or something (which later became a standard at the site). Whatever - thank god you stayed... the world woulod be a bleaker place for skinning without you around 
now let this thread sink into the abyss knowing that if my sis had the sense to stick around, her detractors all learned to love her, then custo will eventually become a skinnig site again and we can all live in harmony... what a wonderful world....
I miss China...
now let this thread sink into the abyss knowing that if my sis had the sense to stick around, her detractors all learned to love her, then custo will eventually become a skinnig site again and we can all live in harmony... what a wonderful world....
I miss China...
Doreen
Reply #93 Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:39 PM
Reply #93 Sunday, April 28, 2002 4:39 PM
crae is a snake he was chit chatting w/ me and then running off and leaving me to catch the heat everyone "thought" it was just "me" hehe
and yes you David and Koasati, Donna, and a few others came to my rescue
still the mean things hurt, you just have to put things into the proper purspective/prespective?
I do remember now the first thing I posted on the msg board when I went back was "Crae I'm back!" (or something like that) though I'm sure he does not remember and probably thought oh no! shes back arghhhhh! hehe
and I miss China too! what a weakling she gets a job and has no strength to come type on a msg board!!!!
Go get her David on icq and drag her back!
and yes you David and Koasati, Donna, and a few others came to my rescue
still the mean things hurt, you just have to put things into the proper purspective/prespective?
I do remember now the first thing I posted on the msg board when I went back was "Crae I'm back!" (or something like that) though I'm sure he does not remember and probably thought oh no! shes back arghhhhh! hehe
and I miss China too! what a weakling she gets a job and has no strength to come type on a msg board!!!!
Go get her David on icq and drag her back!
Frogboy
Reply #94 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:04 PM
Reply #94 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:04 PM
Er.. Why are you assuming I'm not having fun? Do you seriosly think that hanging out on skin sites is part of my job? custo's goodness or badness is completely irrelevant from a business point of view. I visit the sites and hang out here because it IS fun normally.
You of all people should understand that. Afterall, how many pages of text have you written over the years speaking of your sadness of the demise of Skinz.org?
You of all people should understand that. Afterall, how many pages of text have you written over the years speaking of your sadness of the demise of Skinz.org?
Doreen
Reply #95 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:11 PM
Reply #95 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:11 PM
I don't wanna write about the "demise" of skinz.org that would not be fun for me...
Frogboy
Reply #96 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:15 PM
Reply #96 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:15 PM
Exactly. But at the same time, when you did lament the passing of skinz.org no one told you: "you need to remember to have fun, yes you make your living that way but if you let every single thing get to you your living will kill you in the end..."
Lamenting the fall of customize.org doesn't mean that I don't have fun in my life. and lamenting its decline is certainly not related to my job.
Lamenting the fall of customize.org doesn't mean that I don't have fun in my life. and lamenting its decline is certainly not related to my job.
Doreen
Reply #97 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:26 PM
Reply #97 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:26 PM
oh I did not understand what you were saying, no I know that you seem to be upset over the current situation at custo, (I do read that Brad and understand how you could be feeling there)
I was just saying that in respect to seeing you having this big falling out w/ them over there that maybe you need to put things into proper purspective (but I'll mind my own biz) hehe
I was just saying that in respect to seeing you having this big falling out w/ them over there that maybe you need to put things into proper purspective (but I'll mind my own biz) hehe
Frogboy
Reply #98 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:35 PM
Reply #98 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:35 PM
I agree - but that's kidn of my point, you were implying that I wasn't keeping it in proper perspective. I simply stopped going there.
Remember, when you type 120+ words per minute you can write a lot of stuff quickly. Pepole assume long posts are obsessive/compulsive things but it's just reflection of words per minute.
Remember, when you type 120+ words per minute you can write a lot of stuff quickly. Pepole assume long posts are obsessive/compulsive things but it's just reflection of words per minute.
Doreen
Reply #99 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:36 PM
Reply #99 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:36 PM
and that don't sound right either cuz me is getting tired... hehe
I was just trying to use the example of when I got upset over ppl saying things to me that I finally put things into proper purspective and realized the nasty remarks were not important and stopped fighting and just went back and had fun "period"
I was not trying to belittle your feelings if that is what you thought? anyways me is logging off for the night...
I was just trying to use the example of when I got upset over ppl saying things to me that I finally put things into proper purspective and realized the nasty remarks were not important and stopped fighting and just went back and had fun "period"
I was not trying to belittle your feelings if that is what you thought? anyways me is logging off for the night...
Doreen
Reply #100 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:40 PM
Reply #100 Sunday, April 28, 2002 5:40 PM
hehe or like me w/ multiple post in a row!
g'night you guys my boys are chanting
Movie!
Movie!
Movie!
we went and seen Scorpion King it was not that bad though I expected him to break out and start wrestling at any moment he actual did a good job in acting in that movie!
g'night you guys my boys are chanting
Movie!
Movie!
Movie!
we went and seen Scorpion King it was not that bad though I expected him to break out and start wrestling at any moment he actual did a good job in acting in that movie!
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Reply #81 Sunday, April 28, 2002 7:19 AM
I certainly don't want my work to be associated with those people, and although I wouldn't actively suggest such a thing, the only way they'll really learn is for the remaining WindowBlinds skinners to do the same. What's the point in having your skins represented by a site that publically criticises the application you skin for? In some small way, when someone attacks the usefulness of WindowBlinds, I also feel that they are attacking my skins. After all, would I skin for the app if it really was as bad as they were saying? I have more pride than that.