We need to give people more accolades
Saturday, July 14, 2001 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
One of our top priorities when we created the site was to have a way of really giving users who are contributing to the site some accoldates.
That's why we track the top skin authors per category and top skins and such. But we shouldn't stop there I think.
One of the things we've been throwing around is the idea of having a points system for users. So that people who are contributing to the site in other ways can get more recognition.
Basically the idea works something like this:
When you make a post, you get 1 point for every 10 responses it gets.
When you submit news that gets accepted, you get a point.
For every 10 responses you make you get a point.
For every 5 responses on news items you get a point.
For every 100 downloads your skin gets you get a point.
For every article we publish of yours you get 1 point.
For every 100 people who view your article you get a point.
For every 5 comments you make on a skin you get a point.
Now, to keep people from writing "junk" responses, they would lose a point for every response/comment of theirs we had to delete (so if the person responded "Yea!" as their post, we could delete it and the user would lose 1 point -- we would just discretion, only if it was apparent the person was making the weak response for points would we do that).
This sort of point system would then let us have a hall of fame for top contributors to the site.
That's why we track the top skin authors per category and top skins and such. But we shouldn't stop there I think.
One of the things we've been throwing around is the idea of having a points system for users. So that people who are contributing to the site in other ways can get more recognition.
Basically the idea works something like this:
When you make a post, you get 1 point for every 10 responses it gets.
When you submit news that gets accepted, you get a point.
For every 10 responses you make you get a point.
For every 5 responses on news items you get a point.
For every 100 downloads your skin gets you get a point.
For every article we publish of yours you get 1 point.
For every 100 people who view your article you get a point.
For every 5 comments you make on a skin you get a point.
Now, to keep people from writing "junk" responses, they would lose a point for every response/comment of theirs we had to delete (so if the person responded "Yea!" as their post, we could delete it and the user would lose 1 point -- we would just discretion, only if it was apparent the person was making the weak response for points would we do that).
This sort of point system would then let us have a hall of fame for top contributors to the site.
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craeonics
Reply #42 Monday, July 16, 2001 5:51 AM
Reply #42 Monday, July 16, 2001 5:51 AM
craeonics cuts of jark's tongue
What I am missing here is "crae is the kingpin of this scene", all the other stuff doesn't matter to me. I think I should do something about my pr...
What I am missing here is "crae is the kingpin of this scene", all the other stuff doesn't matter to me. I think I should do something about my pr...
Elfkura
Reply #43 Monday, July 16, 2001 6:03 AM
Reply #43 Monday, July 16, 2001 6:03 AM
Hahaha,
Okay.....This is rather entertaining.
If any of you remember, the romance thread and quite a few are so long because I happen to be messing and posting a bunch of off topic/waste comments on it just for the heck of it. Of course, many of you joined in.
Brad, that's one form of fun on this board, and yes, they all go under not needed comments. However, our purpose was to be silly and entertain each other, and hopefully some of the population of the site.
So once this gets implemented, and if it does...the that means Elffie can't post all those comments anymore =P
Elfkura looks pleadingly at Brad not to take that away from her.
Okay.....This is rather entertaining.
If any of you remember, the romance thread and quite a few are so long because I happen to be messing and posting a bunch of off topic/waste comments on it just for the heck of it. Of course, many of you joined in.
Brad, that's one form of fun on this board, and yes, they all go under not needed comments. However, our purpose was to be silly and entertain each other, and hopefully some of the population of the site.
So once this gets implemented, and if it does...the that means Elffie can't post all those comments anymore =P
Elfkura looks pleadingly at Brad not to take that away from her.
BoXXi
Reply #44 Monday, July 16, 2001 6:05 AM
Reply #44 Monday, July 16, 2001 6:05 AM
BoXXi confiscates Jark's tongue from Craeonics....
Clean your basement window with something else!
"Bad Crae,Bad"
Clean your basement window with something else!
"Bad Crae,Bad"
jark
Reply #45 Monday, July 16, 2001 6:35 AM
Reply #45 Monday, July 16, 2001 6:35 AM
*holds lips with petrified look on face while looking furiously for tongue*
Jafo
Reply #46 Monday, July 16, 2001 8:16 AM
Reply #46 Monday, July 16, 2001 8:16 AM
*hofs fips wif pefrifie fook oh fafe whie foofih furioufy for funh*
Spell-checked for the challenged-of-tongue.....
Spell-checked for the challenged-of-tongue.....
pjpowell
Reply #47 Monday, July 16, 2001 8:30 AM
Reply #47 Monday, July 16, 2001 8:30 AM
Did you actually repeat that to yourself without using your tongue to get that?
You have way too much time on your hands.
You have way too much time on your hands.
DaWebMassa
Reply #48 Monday, July 16, 2001 10:20 AM
Reply #48 Monday, July 16, 2001 10:20 AM
Okay, here's my two cents...
While ESS may have said things a little too bluntly and I believe he is wrong in several respects, he does have some valid points. You will NEVER, EVER please everyone. AND, as I've said before, if you want to run banner ads or such, keeping the user count high is a priority.
HOWEVER, giving points for commenting skins has it's pitfalls. I can see some people who add no other value to a site running around leaving dozens of "Kewl dude" comments just to build up a point value. Unless you have someone validating each comment... wow, what a chore that would be!
Giving points for posting in the forum... same idea. We see how some of these threads get way out of control and O/T therefore adding no real value to the site. Again, have someone validate forum posts? Yikes!
If there is to be a "point-system" I can only see that working via the following:
Uploads: Do a skin? Great, here's your doggy bone. Got it into the top 10? Wow, impressive, here's a Beggin Strip for ya too! Over 10,000 downloads? Sheesh... take the T-Bone too!
Contributions:
MONETARY. YEP, someone donating bux is helping to keep the site alive. They deserve just as much as us skinners do.
OTHER. Do something good for the site? Get yer reward and keep up the good work!
I know damn well that I am going to catch some heat for some of this but hey, I'm a big boy now mom and I can say what I feel.
While ESS may have said things a little too bluntly and I believe he is wrong in several respects, he does have some valid points. You will NEVER, EVER please everyone. AND, as I've said before, if you want to run banner ads or such, keeping the user count high is a priority.
HOWEVER, giving points for commenting skins has it's pitfalls. I can see some people who add no other value to a site running around leaving dozens of "Kewl dude" comments just to build up a point value. Unless you have someone validating each comment... wow, what a chore that would be!
Giving points for posting in the forum... same idea. We see how some of these threads get way out of control and O/T therefore adding no real value to the site. Again, have someone validate forum posts? Yikes!
If there is to be a "point-system" I can only see that working via the following:
Uploads: Do a skin? Great, here's your doggy bone. Got it into the top 10? Wow, impressive, here's a Beggin Strip for ya too! Over 10,000 downloads? Sheesh... take the T-Bone too!
Contributions:
MONETARY. YEP, someone donating bux is helping to keep the site alive. They deserve just as much as us skinners do.
OTHER. Do something good for the site? Get yer reward and keep up the good work!
I know damn well that I am going to catch some heat for some of this but hey, I'm a big boy now mom and I can say what I feel.
DaWebMassa
Reply #49 Monday, July 16, 2001 10:24 AM
Reply #49 Monday, July 16, 2001 10:24 AM
Oh and Crae, weren't you warned once about this tongue fetish?
BoXXi? Be nice and give poor jark back his tongue before Jafo makes him out to be some kind of blithering eccentric intellectual.
BoXXi? Be nice and give poor jark back his tongue before Jafo makes him out to be some kind of blithering eccentric intellectual.
Frank Leon
Reply #52 Monday, July 16, 2001 12:27 PM
Reply #52 Monday, July 16, 2001 12:27 PM
Im with DaWEbMassa. And Essvid, who the heck are you? I love how essvid lumps himself in with people who do stuff. Does Essvid even have stuff here? Same old story. Negative interpretation. A post about trying to give kudos to people who help the site turns into yet another evil conspiracy. Yet if Lotsofskins does it, it's okay.
migellito
Reply #53 Monday, July 16, 2001 12:47 PM
Reply #53 Monday, July 16, 2001 12:47 PM
hmm.. well, by 'useless' posts i 'think' the main thought was somebody just saying 'hi' or 'rawk dood!' a dozen times and not saying much else.. i'm really glad to see everybody putting in input ;] as i think that was the main goal of this thread :]
on a practical level, some kind of point system would provide a -quantitative- means of figuring out who might or might not get a 'free pass' (not a good term, but ah well..) to the site -if- there was ever any kind of pay-for-play initiative. in other words, crae for example probably shouldn't have to pay, even if he hasn't bought the cd, just because he's so involved. but there should be a more even-handed way of determining that than just 'oh yeah, i know crae, he's a good guy, ignore the wooden shoes and let him in'
on a practical level, some kind of point system would provide a -quantitative- means of figuring out who might or might not get a 'free pass' (not a good term, but ah well..) to the site -if- there was ever any kind of pay-for-play initiative. in other words, crae for example probably shouldn't have to pay, even if he hasn't bought the cd, just because he's so involved. but there should be a more even-handed way of determining that than just 'oh yeah, i know crae, he's a good guy, ignore the wooden shoes and let him in'
Frogboy
Reply #54 Monday, July 16, 2001 1:08 PM
Reply #54 Monday, July 16, 2001 1:08 PM
This website gives me a migraine sometimes. Guys, we're just brainstorming. We have no code written, we haven't made any decision, we're just talking here. Some of you act like we have some firm idea what we want to do.
Clearly if any "logical" conclusion can be reached it is that while like Migellito says, it's good that people give their opinions, it's also discouraging to see people get so upset or uptight about something that wouldn't even be implemented for many mnoths and not until we had really thought out something in more detail.
Ess-vid, the problem is that you believe we have a very different goal than we have. You seem to think we measure WC's success by its user count. If a user is downloading 200 megs of stuff and not commenting on skins, not posting, and hasn't even registered any of the software on the site, or contributing in any way, we wouldn't care if they left.
The site will have to live within its grant by either being dog slow like it was in June (lowering the bandwidth), decreasing the number of users downloading megs of stuff, or finding a way to get those who are using the bandwidth to help contribute. Those are the options.
The guy who's running a cracked version of WindowBlinds and has downloaded 150 megs of skins and never even commented on a skin or contributed in any way isn't the type of person we're really concerned about keeping happy.
That said, again, the whole point of this thread was to simply brain storm with our users on way to give accolades to people who are contributing to the site. Not some evil plan to "control" people. Like Mike said, no where was it implied that we would go out and punish people for making a one line response. We were just brainstorming about what to do IF someone were to make 20 posts in a row that were just one line "Yea" type responses. (i.e. delete the post? or have a way to make sure they didn't count as points).
Clearly if any "logical" conclusion can be reached it is that while like Migellito says, it's good that people give their opinions, it's also discouraging to see people get so upset or uptight about something that wouldn't even be implemented for many mnoths and not until we had really thought out something in more detail.
Ess-vid, the problem is that you believe we have a very different goal than we have. You seem to think we measure WC's success by its user count. If a user is downloading 200 megs of stuff and not commenting on skins, not posting, and hasn't even registered any of the software on the site, or contributing in any way, we wouldn't care if they left.
The site will have to live within its grant by either being dog slow like it was in June (lowering the bandwidth), decreasing the number of users downloading megs of stuff, or finding a way to get those who are using the bandwidth to help contribute. Those are the options.
The guy who's running a cracked version of WindowBlinds and has downloaded 150 megs of skins and never even commented on a skin or contributed in any way isn't the type of person we're really concerned about keeping happy.
That said, again, the whole point of this thread was to simply brain storm with our users on way to give accolades to people who are contributing to the site. Not some evil plan to "control" people. Like Mike said, no where was it implied that we would go out and punish people for making a one line response. We were just brainstorming about what to do IF someone were to make 20 posts in a row that were just one line "Yea" type responses. (i.e. delete the post? or have a way to make sure they didn't count as points).
DaWebMassa
Reply #55 Monday, July 16, 2001 1:18 PM
Reply #55 Monday, July 16, 2001 1:18 PM
Geez Brad, I hope I didn't give you the impression that I was upset, disturbed, angry, hurt or going to lose any sleep over this! Ok, Ok, some of my friends think I'm disturbed but that doesn't matter here now does it. 
I was, in fact, just plain old giving my opinion which I sometimes happen to do well.
I apologize if I came across as anything else.
I was, in fact, just plain old giving my opinion which I sometimes happen to do well.
I apologize if I came across as anything else.
Tananda
Reply #56 Monday, July 16, 2001 2:18 PM
Reply #56 Monday, July 16, 2001 2:18 PM
I've read all the posts and I think there are some valid points made. I really don't have an opinion on the point system either way. I have a concern over the deletion of posts but I think that we could trust the admins at this site to be able to decipher the "point whores", as someone called them, from the friendly banter that goes on between the people that use this board. Does the point system have to be made public? If the objective, other than give recognition, is to keep track of who is contributing and who isn't why not just keep the info to the admins of the site?
Edwin Overmeer
Reply #57 Monday, July 16, 2001 2:36 PM
Reply #57 Monday, July 16, 2001 2:36 PM
Start with 50 points for registered OD users and another 50 points who bought the WinCustomize CD for sponsoring this site. Give these guys some special rights like downloading very good skins.
I'am still waiting for the WB exclusive skin from the excellent OB Gnome theme
I'am still waiting for the WB exclusive skin from the excellent OB Gnome theme
Frogboy
Reply #58 Monday, July 16, 2001 2:37 PM
Reply #58 Monday, July 16, 2001 2:37 PM
Not at all DaWebMassa, in fact, your posts were amongst the best ones.
Nothing's settled on any point system (including whether to even have one). We're just talking right now about various ways to gauge contribution.
Nothing's settled on any point system (including whether to even have one). We're just talking right now about various ways to gauge contribution.
Edwin Overmeer
Reply #59 Monday, July 16, 2001 2:42 PM
Reply #59 Monday, July 16, 2001 2:42 PM
Start with 50 points for registered OD users and another 25 points who bought the WinCustomize CD for sponsoring this site. Give these guys some special rights like downloading very good skins.
I'am still waiting for the WB exclusive skin from the excellent OB Gnome theme
I'am still waiting for the WB exclusive skin from the excellent OB Gnome theme
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Reply #41 Sunday, July 15, 2001 7:39 AM