A Challenge To The 'Ruder' Critics
You Know Who You Are
Wednesday, December 28, 2005 by PoSmedley | Discussion: Community
It has been posed in the form of a question in these forums.."Is skinning an art?" Many have replied, and it would seem the overwhelming response is "Yes, it is."
"There are painters who transform the sun to a yellow spot, but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence, transform a yellow spot into the sun."
Pablo Picasso.
I think this best describes the ‘art’ of skinning. It’s not just a matter of having a command of the ‘software or program’ you choose to create with, but having a vision to begin with, and the ability to execute it, to be able to bring it to realization, to life. How long did it take for photography to be truly considered an art form by the artists who toiled in ink, paint, and other mediums?
"Back in the earlier part of the 20th century, there was a group of now-famous photographers that called themselves the "f64 Club," who prided themselves on the fact that they shot pictures at f64 to get the sharpest possible photos possible. Why was this unique? Because in those days, photography wasn't considered an art form unless photographers manipulated their photos in the darkroom to "blur them up" so they would look more like paintings. Photography, it seemed, was "too perfect" for the critical art world, so to be considered valid, your photos weren't allowed to be too sharp. The f74 club was a small group of mostly San Francisco photographers that challenged the idea and went against the grain by making incredibly sharp photographs. And, well, the rest is history."
Dan Heller- Photographer
How long did it take the critics to acknowledge photography as an art form? I would guess as soon as they realized they ‘could’ voice themselves on it- and people would listen.
Which brings me to the subject of criticism, particularly criticism in WC. I have noticed a rash of rather ‘harsh’ criticism being thrown about like rotten vegetables at a rowdydow. Something of note is that, a lot of these remarks are made by individuals who have made no contributions of their own, in the way of skins or wallpapers.
"Criticism comes easier than craftsmanship"
Zeuxis (400BC)
You could spend hours trying to define ‘art’ in any form or medium. Defining some other things, are a little easier.
Criticism- function: noun
1 a : the act of criticizing usually unfavorably b : a critical observation or remark c : CRITIQUE
2 : the art of evaluating or analyzing works of art or literature
3 : the scientific investigation of literary documents (as the Bible) in regard to such matters as origin, text, composition, or history
Meriam Webster Dictionary
I especially like the part.."usually unfavorably". If you look up 'review' and 'critique', you will find that they eventually refer back to ‘criticism’. Now , let’s try another word, as it may apply.
Constructive- function: adjective
1 : of or relating to construction or creation
2 : promoting improvement or development
The question this poses to me is this. Should comments made on ‘skins, etc’ be only that of a constructive nature? Of course, if we followed this, would something like ‘Nice work." be out of context? If we allow one, do we allow the other? (Example; This is garbage.) Then there is that whole freedom of speech thing.
It is difficult for a lot of people to take/accept criticism in any form. I feel for the ‘first- time artists’ who have chosen to put themselves’ out there’, as it were, and find harsh and sometimes hurtful criticism discouraging. As a community, I have seen many members at WC rise in defense of these ‘artists’ and it feels good to be part of such a community.
As for those that choose to continuously assault whatever work they see fit to on a whim, all I can do is offer my sincerest condolences. I can only assume it’s your inability to appreciate anything that may be different, beautiful, or just expressive that frustrates you to such lengths that you have no alternative than to unleash a swill of unconstructive, unsupportive, and unintelligent criticisms.
Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain- and most fools do.
Dale Carnegie
To the artists that continuously brave these ‘fools’, I admire your determination and constant effort and willingness to put yourselves ‘out there’. To those who would assault these artists without having contributed…
"Critics are like eunuchs in a harem; they know how it’s done, they’ve seen it done everyday, but their unable to do it themselves."
Brendan Behan
Though I believe ‘everyone’ is ‘able’, it’s just that some are to caught up to realize it.
"Everyone has talent. What is rare is the courage to follow that talent to the dark place where it leads"
Erica Jong
I challenge you to find your courage. Put yourselves on the line. And discover for yourselves the ‘agony and the ecstasy’ of being an artist. Even when my work is not found appealing to some, or just plain rejected, there is a reward. Whether it be in satisfaction of having created something that only one person likes or frustration that forces me to re-examine what I was trying to say or do, and try again.
Criticism is prejudice made plausible
HL Mencken
You don’t have to hide behind such a transparent ‘plausibility’. The ironic thing is, you might find how quickly any effort you made would be accepted, welcomed, and appreciated. You may succeed, you may fail…but at least you could say you tried. It seems to me, saying you tried is much more intelligent and noble than the harsh and rude things you have chosen to say so far.
A painting in a museum hears more ridiculous opinions than anything else in the world.
Edmond D Concourt
I think most artists can agree with that last quote. It doesn’t mean we like it. It’s just a fact. Like the existence of the ‘fools’ mentioned by Dale Carnegie. But we do not need to exist together in such a hostile an unconstructive way. You know who you are. I challenge you to find your own creativity. Explore it. Express it here. You wouldn’t be here if you didn’t like some of the things you saw. Be a part of it.
If in the end, you can’t or won’t, then I challenge you to find a more constructive way to express you opinions. A more encouraging way to voice what you feel. You may not…will not..like everything you see…but shouldn’t your goal be to encourage the artist in the end to keep trying, in hopes that something you like will come forth?
I look forward to seeing if you have the courage and/or the class to accept my challenge.
"There are painters who transform the sun to a yellow spot, but there are others who with the help of their art and their intelligence, transform a yellow spot into the sun."
Pablo Picasso.
I think this best describes the ‘art’ of skinning. It’s not just a matter of having a command of the ‘software or program’ you choose to create with, but having a vision to begin with, and the ability to execute it, to be able to bring it to realization, to life. How long did it take for photography to be truly considered an art form by the artists who toiled in ink, paint, and other mediums?
"Back in the earlier part of the 20th century, there was a group of now-famous photographers that called themselves the "f64 Club," who prided themselves on the fact that they shot pictures at f64 to get the sharpest possible photos possible. Why was this unique? Because in those days, photography wasn't considered an art form unless photographers manipulated their photos in the darkroom to "blur them up" so they would look more like paintings. Photography, it seemed, was "too perfect" for the critical art world, so to be considered valid, your photos weren't allowed to be too sharp. The f74 club was a small group of mostly San Francisco photographers that challenged the idea and went against the grain by making incredibly sharp photographs. And, well, the rest is history."
Dan Heller- Photographer
How long did it take the critics to acknowledge photography as an art form? I would guess as soon as they realized they ‘could’ voice themselves on it- and people would listen.
Which brings me to the subject of criticism, particularly criticism in WC. I have noticed a rash of rather ‘harsh’ criticism being thrown about like rotten vegetables at a rowdydow. Something of note is that, a lot of these remarks are made by individuals who have made no contributions of their own, in the way of skins or wallpapers.
"Criticism comes easier than craftsmanship"
Zeuxis (400BC)
You could spend hours trying to define ‘art’ in any form or medium. Defining some other things, are a little easier.
Criticism- function: noun
1 a : the act of criticizing usually unfavorably b : a critical observation or remark c : CRITIQUE
2 : the art of evaluating or analyzing works of art or literature
3 : the scientific investigation of literary documents (as the Bible) in regard to such matters as origin, text, composition, or history
Meriam Webster Dictionary
I especially like the part.."usually unfavorably". If you look up 'review' and 'critique', you will find that they eventually refer back to ‘criticism’. Now , let’s try another word, as it may apply.
Constructive- function: adjective
1 : of or relating to construction or creation
2 : promoting improvement or development
The question this poses to me is this. Should comments made on ‘skins, etc’ be only that of a constructive nature? Of course, if we followed this, would something like ‘Nice work." be out of context? If we allow one, do we allow the other? (Example; This is garbage.) Then there is that whole freedom of speech thing.
It is difficult for a lot of people to take/accept criticism in any form. I feel for the ‘first- time artists’ who have chosen to put themselves’ out there’, as it were, and find harsh and sometimes hurtful criticism discouraging. As a community, I have seen many members at WC rise in defense of these ‘artists’ and it feels good to be part of such a community.
As for those that choose to continuously assault whatever work they see fit to on a whim, all I can do is offer my sincerest condolences. I can only assume it’s your inability to appreciate anything that may be different, beautiful, or just expressive that frustrates you to such lengths that you have no alternative than to unleash a swill of unconstructive, unsupportive, and unintelligent criticisms.
Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain- and most fools do.
Dale Carnegie
To the artists that continuously brave these ‘fools’, I admire your determination and constant effort and willingness to put yourselves ‘out there’. To those who would assault these artists without having contributed…
"Critics are like eunuchs in a harem; they know how it’s done, they’ve seen it done everyday, but their unable to do it themselves."
Brendan Behan
Though I believe ‘everyone’ is ‘able’, it’s just that some are to caught up to realize it.
"Everyone has talent. What is rare is the courage to follow that talent to the dark place where it leads"
Erica Jong
I challenge you to find your courage. Put yourselves on the line. And discover for yourselves the ‘agony and the ecstasy’ of being an artist. Even when my work is not found appealing to some, or just plain rejected, there is a reward. Whether it be in satisfaction of having created something that only one person likes or frustration that forces me to re-examine what I was trying to say or do, and try again.
Criticism is prejudice made plausible
HL Mencken
You don’t have to hide behind such a transparent ‘plausibility’. The ironic thing is, you might find how quickly any effort you made would be accepted, welcomed, and appreciated. You may succeed, you may fail…but at least you could say you tried. It seems to me, saying you tried is much more intelligent and noble than the harsh and rude things you have chosen to say so far.
A painting in a museum hears more ridiculous opinions than anything else in the world.
Edmond D Concourt
I think most artists can agree with that last quote. It doesn’t mean we like it. It’s just a fact. Like the existence of the ‘fools’ mentioned by Dale Carnegie. But we do not need to exist together in such a hostile an unconstructive way. You know who you are. I challenge you to find your own creativity. Explore it. Express it here. You wouldn’t be here if you didn’t like some of the things you saw. Be a part of it.
If in the end, you can’t or won’t, then I challenge you to find a more constructive way to express you opinions. A more encouraging way to voice what you feel. You may not…will not..like everything you see…but shouldn’t your goal be to encourage the artist in the end to keep trying, in hopes that something you like will come forth?
I look forward to seeing if you have the courage and/or the class to accept my challenge.
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BoXXi
Reply #42 Saturday, January 7, 2006 2:32 AM
Reply #42 Saturday, January 7, 2006 2:32 AM
Some of us don't even skin anymore because of the comments.......... how can that be a good thing? 
scorpio-logic
Reply #43 Saturday, January 7, 2006 3:04 AM
Reply #43 Saturday, January 7, 2006 3:04 AM
Boxxi, your stuff is too good not to share!
New years' res: kill em with kindness! Especially if they don't deserve it.
Nice to see you posting, however small the post, Boxxxi. Cheers!
New years' res: kill em with kindness! Especially if they don't deserve it.
Nice to see you posting, however small the post, Boxxxi. Cheers!
starkers
Reply #44 Saturday, January 7, 2006 5:24 AM
Definitely not a good thing! Whilst there are some great 'up and coming' skinners who produce terrific skins, there surely is a lacking when some of the greatest skinners of all time have departed due to the sheer ignorance and rudeness of a few, their blatant arrogance, borne out of a severe misuse of grey matter...had some actually had any to begin with.
I for one really miss your contributions, and while some may say 'just grow a thicker skin', I understand and respect your decision not to upload anymore. I have several of youre skins, enjoy every one of them and appreciate the pleasure you've already provided me. I'm content with what I have, and BoXXI, all the best to you and yours.....starkers
Reply #44 Saturday, January 7, 2006 5:24 AM
| [BoXXi]Some of us don't even skin anymore because of the comments.. |
Definitely not a good thing! Whilst there are some great 'up and coming' skinners who produce terrific skins, there surely is a lacking when some of the greatest skinners of all time have departed due to the sheer ignorance and rudeness of a few, their blatant arrogance, borne out of a severe misuse of grey matter...had some actually had any to begin with.
I for one really miss your contributions, and while some may say 'just grow a thicker skin', I understand and respect your decision not to upload anymore. I have several of youre skins, enjoy every one of them and appreciate the pleasure you've already provided me. I'm content with what I have, and BoXXI, all the best to you and yours.....starkers
PoSmedley
Reply #45 Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:35 AM
That this could happen is sad.
I am sure enough people have tried to sway you, BoXXi, so I'll be just one more..
I respect your decision and your feelings on this, but, please, reconsider giving those poor, few, misguided,'f**ktards' the satisfaction. It's like letting them censor you or plainly, letting them win.
Reply #45 Saturday, January 7, 2006 7:35 AM
| Some of us don't even skin anymore because of the comments. |
That this could happen is sad.
I am sure enough people have tried to sway you, BoXXi, so I'll be just one more..
I respect your decision and your feelings on this, but, please, reconsider giving those poor, few, misguided,'f**ktards' the satisfaction. It's like letting them censor you or plainly, letting them win.
Hog56
Reply #46 Saturday, January 7, 2006 8:35 AM
Reply #46 Saturday, January 7, 2006 8:35 AM
I'm sure that the we out number these so called critics, so if enough of us give praise where and when its due maybe "they", just maybe, "they" might just give up and go away.We can all live in Hope can't we. Don't let the "Critis" win.
Keep on Skinning
Keep on Skinning
scorpio-logic
Reply #47 Sunday, January 8, 2006 3:19 AM
Reply #47 Sunday, January 8, 2006 3:19 AM
Well said, Hog.
Meanwhile, I stand at the back door sobbing and calling "Boxxi, come back! Boxxi! Come Back!"
that quote may be outdated a little, for those knot in the now (vice versa or dixlesia) the movie "Shane" was a must see back in the day.
Meanwhile, I stand at the back door sobbing and calling "Boxxi, come back! Boxxi! Come Back!"
that quote may be outdated a little, for those knot in the now (vice versa or dixlesia) the movie "Shane" was a must see back in the day.
starkers
Reply #48 Sunday, January 8, 2006 4:32 AM
Reply #48 Sunday, January 8, 2006 4:32 AM
Me thinks of what goes around comes around strategy for continually rude critics, and with a lil bit o' fiddlin' by Tman and the crew, me thinks it's quite possible.
The idea: collect all the comments of a rude critic together on one page and assign it purely to that person's membership/registration number/code. etc. Then, every time they click on a link here, any link, they get that page, and only that page with their unkind, deragatory and unkind comments.
The ONLY way to remove this one page only access: to go to the trouble, effort and expense to personally visit each and every skinner they ever offended and get down on their knees to humbly apologise in person. The whole thing, the apology, promise to never do it again, in contract form, is digitally recorded and used a sufficient evidence to legally banish then to the central Alasksa where it's far, far too cold for computers, much less internet acccess....also, no thermal underwear.
Alternatively, a variation of the old Chinese water torture. You digitally record to mini disc/MP3,etc, every negative, derogatory and rude comment ever posted on WC, put it on a permanent power source and auto repeat, and superglue the headset to their ears until the constant negativity either produces a change of heart or total insanity, whichever comes first.
Geez, I'm a sadistic bastard, aren't I!! Now I think about it, that's probably why I got rejected by the police force...why it was considered my temperament was not conducive to a medical careeer or dentistry (think Steve Martin in Little Shop of Horrors)
The idea: collect all the comments of a rude critic together on one page and assign it purely to that person's membership/registration number/code. etc. Then, every time they click on a link here, any link, they get that page, and only that page with their unkind, deragatory and unkind comments.
The ONLY way to remove this one page only access: to go to the trouble, effort and expense to personally visit each and every skinner they ever offended and get down on their knees to humbly apologise in person. The whole thing, the apology, promise to never do it again, in contract form, is digitally recorded and used a sufficient evidence to legally banish then to the central Alasksa where it's far, far too cold for computers, much less internet acccess....also, no thermal underwear.
Alternatively, a variation of the old Chinese water torture. You digitally record to mini disc/MP3,etc, every negative, derogatory and rude comment ever posted on WC, put it on a permanent power source and auto repeat, and superglue the headset to their ears until the constant negativity either produces a change of heart or total insanity, whichever comes first.
Geez, I'm a sadistic bastard, aren't I!! Now I think about it, that's probably why I got rejected by the police force...why it was considered my temperament was not conducive to a medical careeer or dentistry (think Steve Martin in Little Shop of Horrors)
Cynder-Elluh
Reply #49 Sunday, January 8, 2006 7:32 PM
Words are most definitely used as art,in your article!
Reply #49 Sunday, January 8, 2006 7:32 PM
| your essay too is art |
Words are most definitely used as art,in your article!
PoSmedley
Reply #50 Monday, January 9, 2006 12:30 AM
Reply #50 Monday, January 9, 2006 12:30 AM
| Words are most definitely used as art,in your article! |
LittleBearJason
Reply #51 Monday, January 9, 2006 1:47 AM
I do admit , that I have said some comments in the past where I didnt like a skin. I wasnt overly rude about it but there was an animation in a certain skin that I found distracting. So I commented how I liked the skin , except , the animation on the taskbar was so distracting that it took away from my whole user experience of that skin. The author of the skin whom I will not mention here got really angry for this mild comment and started lashing out at me. Said I had no right to criticize because I havent made any skins myself. While for the most part this is true , some friendly help would have been nice as in teaching me how I can edit this in skin studio so it adjusts to my liking.
I guess we all have our ups and downs day.
Finally , I have noticed some ruder critics , such as internetworld7 who should be removed from Wincustomize. I do appreciate Wincustomize , for the most part , they are unlike any other site out there. They let us be who we are as a person , and not censor our speech on these forums like some other sites would overly censor.
But this problem got annoying to the extent where the user should be removed on a cool off period of some sort.
Just my opinion on this.
Reply #51 Monday, January 9, 2006 1:47 AM
| Some of us don't even skin anymore because of the comments.. |
I do admit , that I have said some comments in the past where I didnt like a skin. I wasnt overly rude about it but there was an animation in a certain skin that I found distracting. So I commented how I liked the skin , except , the animation on the taskbar was so distracting that it took away from my whole user experience of that skin. The author of the skin whom I will not mention here got really angry for this mild comment and started lashing out at me. Said I had no right to criticize because I havent made any skins myself. While for the most part this is true , some friendly help would have been nice as in teaching me how I can edit this in skin studio so it adjusts to my liking.
I guess we all have our ups and downs day.
Finally , I have noticed some ruder critics , such as internetworld7 who should be removed from Wincustomize. I do appreciate Wincustomize , for the most part , they are unlike any other site out there. They let us be who we are as a person , and not censor our speech on these forums like some other sites would overly censor.
But this problem got annoying to the extent where the user should be removed on a cool off period of some sort.
Just my opinion on this.
mossedmoon
Reply #52 Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:20 PM
Reply #52 Thursday, January 12, 2006 10:20 PM
There are two forms of criticism: Negative and positive. Criticism in any form can be a hard lump to swallow, and in its most positive form, it is only praise without meat, and the artist walks away with nothing but a pat on the back. In its most negative form, it offers nothing constructive, and the artist walks away with a bitter taste, resentful. An artist honed by years of criticism lets the negative comment that points nowhere roll off his/her back like water from a duck's back; one can't be affected by these lashes of the tongue. But a negative comment that explains itself and points to a possible solution, this is what an artist grows from. I'm not saying you should develop skin like leather, rather you should know what to pick up and take home with you. Nothing else matters.
tameddragon
Reply #53 Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:04 PM
Reply #53 Sunday, February 12, 2006 2:04 PM
Great topic Po', though it seems I've found this thread a couple months late Being an admin on a gaming league, I and my cohorts find ourselves dealing with a similar type of flamers, nay-sayers, and cheats. The "scum of the internet" as I think of them. We've found that one effective way of dealing with them is simply leading by example. For those few that just can't rise above themselves there's that last resort tool of banishment. Better to kick one bad apple than to lose 10 good ones..
One thing I'd like to say about criticism; there could be A LOT MORE of the constructive type from the more experienced/more prolific few. That's not to say they've been doing any bashing, but that first-timers (or beginners) aren't getting any help. I see much of the "Awesome!", "Great job/work", *butt-kissing* types of comments that offer nothing in the way of improvement.
Po', you've put out a challenge to those that frequently make negative/derogatory comments, and I commend you for that. I want to challenge you who are Journeymen and higher to get off the 5star submissions and spend more time with the 3star and lower group. Help us improve and at the same time improve this community as a whole.
Being an admin on a gaming league, I and my cohorts find ourselves dealing with a similar type of flamers, nay-sayers, and cheats. The "scum of the internet" as I think of them. We've found that one effective way of dealing with them is simply leading by example. For those few that just can't rise above themselves there's that last resort tool of banishment. Better to kick one bad apple than to lose 10 good ones..One thing I'd like to say about criticism; there could be A LOT MORE of the constructive type from the more experienced/more prolific few. That's not to say they've been doing any bashing, but that first-timers (or beginners) aren't getting any help. I see much of the "Awesome!", "Great job/work", *butt-kissing* types of comments that offer nothing in the way of improvement.
Po', you've put out a challenge to those that frequently make negative/derogatory comments, and I commend you for that. I want to challenge you who are Journeymen and higher to get off the 5star submissions and spend more time with the 3star and lower group. Help us improve and at the same time improve this community as a whole.
PoSmedley
Reply #54 Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:18 PM
Reply #54 Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:18 PM
I'm glad this still gets read and hits home for people, wether they agree or not. And equally glad to see comments.
I can see the point to this, and can go as far as to agree, but sadly. No one, in my humble opinion, should be honed by years of anything 'negative'. I still have to stand on the idea that 'criticism' should and must be 'constructive' wether it is in favor or not of the subject. I just don't see the point to "This sucks!" or "What a waste of effort."
I have been guilty of this. Because I don't have the 'technological expertise' to really dig in and say what I like about it so much. The same applies for being 'critical' of something. So I ma much more apt to say 'Nice Work" than be critical, when I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I guess you could call it the "If you don't have something nice to say' rule.
All in all, the community here is strong and the people are supportive. Each in their own individual way. Which is what makes this such an outstanding and unique place on the web, for anything. I think we all know about the 'bad apples' and realize they are a part of the whole experience. It's that knowledge that allows us to prevail. Though, and I have said it before and often, they sure can be damn frustrating, eh?
| An artist honed by years of criticism lets the negative comment that points nowhere roll off his/her back like water from a duck's back |
I can see the point to this, and can go as far as to agree, but sadly. No one, in my humble opinion, should be honed by years of anything 'negative'. I still have to stand on the idea that 'criticism' should and must be 'constructive' wether it is in favor or not of the subject. I just don't see the point to "This sucks!" or "What a waste of effort."
| types of comments that offer nothing in the way of improvement. |
I have been guilty of this. Because I don't have the 'technological expertise' to really dig in and say what I like about it so much. The same applies for being 'critical' of something. So I ma much more apt to say 'Nice Work" than be critical, when I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I guess you could call it the "If you don't have something nice to say' rule.
All in all, the community here is strong and the people are supportive. Each in their own individual way. Which is what makes this such an outstanding and unique place on the web, for anything. I think we all know about the 'bad apples' and realize they are a part of the whole experience. It's that knowledge that allows us to prevail. Though, and I have said it before and often, they sure can be damn frustrating, eh?
starkers
Reply #55 Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:34 PM
I have no artistic abitity/talent whatsoever, particularly when it comes to computer graphics, thus I have nothing of substance behind me to offer an opinion of 'technological expertise', and therefore refrain from speaking out of turn, so to speak. However, I know what I like....and if something pleases me, then I do feel inclined to say 'nice work/job' as a way of showing my appreciation, to give further encouragement to continue, etc, etc.
Okay, so it falls into the 'if you haven't anything nice to say' category'. but I don't agree with the "artist walks away with nothing but a pat on the back" idea either. It may not be technically/artistically constructive.....but at the same time it's not artistically destructive, as in, the artist is aware that people appreciate and like what they've done.....and that has to be a positive, not just for the artist, but the community as a whole....because the whole creative process then seems worth it, enjoyable and worthy of sharing the completed work/s.
Thankfully, there's only a very few who 'think?' it's clever to leave 'below the belt' comments.....simply because they get out the wrong side of the bed each day and don't like 'what', to others, is a fantabulous skin that took many hours of effort, dedication, talent and skill. These qualities/traits are lacking in these detractors who leave derogatory comments.....hopefully, one day, (and the sooner the better) they'll realise that having an acid tongue/soured mentality does not replace that which is admirable.
Each and every skinner who uploads here has something unique/special to offer/share, and whether or not they receive high or low ratings, comments that lean either way, I sincerely hope that each and every one will continue to upload and share here.....and for those who have ceased to do so for various personal reasons (some because of the negativity, perhaps), that they can and will return someday.....given there are some great skinning names absent from the 'Just In' list recently.
Reply #55 Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:34 PM
| types of comments that offer nothing in the way of improvement. I have been guilty of this. Because I don't have the 'technological expertise' to really dig in and say what I like about it so much. The same applies for being 'critical' of something. So I ma much more apt to say 'Nice Work" than be critical, when I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. I guess you could call it the "If you don't have something nice to say' rule. |
I have no artistic abitity/talent whatsoever, particularly when it comes to computer graphics, thus I have nothing of substance behind me to offer an opinion of 'technological expertise', and therefore refrain from speaking out of turn, so to speak. However, I know what I like....and if something pleases me, then I do feel inclined to say 'nice work/job' as a way of showing my appreciation, to give further encouragement to continue, etc, etc.
Okay, so it falls into the 'if you haven't anything nice to say' category'. but I don't agree with the "artist walks away with nothing but a pat on the back" idea either. It may not be technically/artistically constructive.....but at the same time it's not artistically destructive, as in, the artist is aware that people appreciate and like what they've done.....and that has to be a positive, not just for the artist, but the community as a whole....because the whole creative process then seems worth it, enjoyable and worthy of sharing the completed work/s.
Thankfully, there's only a very few who 'think?' it's clever to leave 'below the belt' comments.....simply because they get out the wrong side of the bed each day and don't like 'what', to others, is a fantabulous skin that took many hours of effort, dedication, talent and skill. These qualities/traits are lacking in these detractors who leave derogatory comments.....hopefully, one day, (and the sooner the better) they'll realise that having an acid tongue/soured mentality does not replace that which is admirable.
Each and every skinner who uploads here has something unique/special to offer/share, and whether or not they receive high or low ratings, comments that lean either way, I sincerely hope that each and every one will continue to upload and share here.....and for those who have ceased to do so for various personal reasons (some because of the negativity, perhaps), that they can and will return someday.....given there are some great skinning names absent from the 'Just In' list recently.
Majic7
Reply #56 Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:09 PM
Reply #56 Sunday, February 12, 2006 10:09 PM
When I see how few of the really good skinners are uploading lately it is definitely time for a rethink on ratings and comments policy. The software is nice but for most of us users it is useless without the contributions of people like Boxxi. If I have to wait weeks for something exceptional it makes it a little harder to justify re-upping when my subscrition runs out. Picky seems to go hand and hand with a low boredom threshhold. Really miss finding something new from Boxxi and the others I haven't seen for a while.
PoSmedley
Reply #58 Monday, February 13, 2006 9:26 AM
Be grateful that the 'really good skinners' upload at all and don't take all their stuff and make them 'premium suites' you would have to pay for. As for the rest of us..(I am part of the rest of us since I have a long way to go before I am a 'great skinner), I love watching the talent develop. It's exciting to see someone offer up their first skin. I know the hours they spent and the hair pulling they went through to get this to work or that to line up, etc. The butterflies they must have as they upload it and hope it meets approval. The anxiousness of waiting for those comments, knowing 'something' is going to be wrong, something they missed in all the techno-crap they struggled with for 6 weeks. Whhat's even more exciting is when they upload the second skin and the third...and you can see the improvements. You can watch as they find their own way to becoming 'great skinners'.
Do not overlook or dismiss the potential of anyone who takes the time to try. Even someone who may have never made a skin but has played around with enough of them to know what works, etc., has the ability to help guide us novices if they too, take some time. AS for the 'great skinners'...I'll take partial blame for the abscence of skins from them. I have emailed and bugged a few for help to the point that I am surprised they still talk to me. They probably need a break every now and then, like we all do, and then have to deal with newbies like me who want to pick their brains endlessly.
In the mean time...(hint, hint) you could take that software and poke around in some of those skins and see what kinds of improvements you could make...or even try to make something. But be warned...it is addicting. The good thing is that by 'subscribing' you keep the community here going and allow a place for newbies and 'great skinners' to work with each other so that the quality of the skins uploaded will always be improving...and that you have a place to feed that addiction to your hearts content.
Thanks, Iben.
Reply #58 Monday, February 13, 2006 9:26 AM
| When I see how few of the really good skinners are uploading lately it is definitely time for a rethink on ratings and comments policy |
Be grateful that the 'really good skinners' upload at all and don't take all their stuff and make them 'premium suites' you would have to pay for. As for the rest of us..(I am part of the rest of us since I have a long way to go before I am a 'great skinner), I love watching the talent develop. It's exciting to see someone offer up their first skin. I know the hours they spent and the hair pulling they went through to get this to work or that to line up, etc. The butterflies they must have as they upload it and hope it meets approval. The anxiousness of waiting for those comments, knowing 'something' is going to be wrong, something they missed in all the techno-crap they struggled with for 6 weeks. Whhat's even more exciting is when they upload the second skin and the third...and you can see the improvements. You can watch as they find their own way to becoming 'great skinners'.
Do not overlook or dismiss the potential of anyone who takes the time to try. Even someone who may have never made a skin but has played around with enough of them to know what works, etc., has the ability to help guide us novices if they too, take some time. AS for the 'great skinners'...I'll take partial blame for the abscence of skins from them. I have emailed and bugged a few for help to the point that I am surprised they still talk to me. They probably need a break every now and then, like we all do, and then have to deal with newbies like me who want to pick their brains endlessly.
In the mean time...(hint, hint) you could take that software and poke around in some of those skins and see what kinds of improvements you could make...or even try to make something. But be warned...it is addicting. The good thing is that by 'subscribing' you keep the community here going and allow a place for newbies and 'great skinners' to work with each other so that the quality of the skins uploaded will always be improving...and that you have a place to feed that addiction to your hearts content.
| Great article Po' Smedley. |
Thanks, Iben.
Majic7
Reply #59 Monday, February 13, 2006 7:20 PM
Reply #59 Monday, February 13, 2006 7:20 PM
Po', it's not that I don't appreciate the efforts of the newer skinners. I've downloaded a lot of their stuff. But I got really irritated when some skinners stopped because of the juvenile comments and drive by ratings. As for me I've only had the software for 9 months and not comfortable yet messing with stuff. I've only had a computor for a little over a year and since I'm getting close to 60, more than a little technophobic. Right now I'm concentrating on learning the new Dogwaffle PDPro and an older version of Carrara. I always was interested in drawing and art and hopefully will have a wallpaper to upload sometime. It's amazing that I, who never had any interest in owning or using computors, should find them so fascinating. Still hoping that Boxxi and some of the others will reconsider and upload.
starkers
Reply #60 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:09 PM
Same here! I'd also rejoice to see the like of BoXXi and other 'oldtimer' skinners return....to the point of doing handstands on my desk and whistling the theme tune to Welcome Back Kotter, just to see their names back on the 'Just In' list.
However, as Po so aptly put it, there's alot of great emerging talent among the newbie skinners....and for that fact, I am most thankful and appreciative. All these newbie skinners will improve with time and experience, and many will rise to the prominence of BoXXi and others, if given the encouragement to continue. In other words, if the majority of downloaders keep harping on about the absence of the 'old timers', that theirs were the best and truly great skins, it could be discouraging/deflating to those just beginning.
BTW... Majic, my comments are intended to be general, rather than personal and are not directed towards yourself or anyone else.
Reply #60 Monday, February 13, 2006 11:09 PM
| Still hoping that Boxxi and some of the others will reconsider and upload. |
Same here! I'd also rejoice to see the like of BoXXi and other 'oldtimer' skinners return....to the point of doing handstands on my desk and whistling the theme tune to Welcome Back Kotter, just to see their names back on the 'Just In' list.
However, as Po so aptly put it, there's alot of great emerging talent among the newbie skinners....and for that fact, I am most thankful and appreciative. All these newbie skinners will improve with time and experience, and many will rise to the prominence of BoXXi and others, if given the encouragement to continue. In other words, if the majority of downloaders keep harping on about the absence of the 'old timers', that theirs were the best and truly great skins, it could be discouraging/deflating to those just beginning.
BTW... Majic, my comments are intended to be general, rather than personal and are not directed towards yourself or anyone else.
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Reply #41 Thursday, January 5, 2006 9:26 PM
My father always used to say that a bad workman always blamed his tools...a good workman took pride in his tools in order to do the best possible job....and the person who never has a good thing to say about it, regardless of how good or 'bad', never knew how to in the first place and is only proving their ignorance.
Don't think he ever said a truer word...the rudeness here is not borne out of knowledge or understanding, but out of ignorance and vacant mindedness....and as they say, empty vessels make the loudest/worst noises