A New Catagory For Skinning?
Saturday, June 25, 2005 by Fairyy~ | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
~Hi
I'll just be brief and not really intending to point fingers at anyone.
But after viewing a few snitty comments on some WB skins ( and I'll remind everyone that blinds are shared and if you don't like it, don't download it, simple )
The real Topic here is what about starting a catagory for " New Skinners "
Several of the " women " of WC have their own little test group. Others don't have that pleasure of being able to test their work before uploading it.
Wouldnt it be nice to be able to upload a skin just to see if your doing anything RIGHT rather than being told everything thats wrong..or worse yet, being laughed at by people that forget they once had to start somewhere .
Im happy with just tweaking others blinds. Way too much involved in skinning an entire blind.
But..a catagory that has no ratings..( doesnt have to be viewed by the public..could be just members of WC)
Just a thought.......
I'll just be brief and not really intending to point fingers at anyone.
But after viewing a few snitty comments on some WB skins ( and I'll remind everyone that blinds are shared and if you don't like it, don't download it, simple )
The real Topic here is what about starting a catagory for " New Skinners "
Several of the " women " of WC have their own little test group. Others don't have that pleasure of being able to test their work before uploading it.
Wouldnt it be nice to be able to upload a skin just to see if your doing anything RIGHT rather than being told everything thats wrong..or worse yet, being laughed at by people that forget they once had to start somewhere .
Im happy with just tweaking others blinds. Way too much involved in skinning an entire blind.
But..a catagory that has no ratings..( doesnt have to be viewed by the public..could be just members of WC)
Just a thought.......
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PoSmedley
Reply #62 Saturday, May 6, 2006 8:39 PM
Reply #62 Saturday, May 6, 2006 8:39 PM
I think a WIP gallery would be great. I would also like to see a category for NEW or FIRST time skinners in future contests..or a Promising New Talent category. 
boopish
Reply #63 Saturday, May 6, 2006 8:48 PM
Reply #63 Saturday, May 6, 2006 8:48 PM
Here's my two cents (canadian).
I admit it...I am one of those "women" newbie skinners. I had a bug in my bonnet - I wanted to make my own skin. But just following along with the help manual wasn't enough. I didn't (and still don't) want to make just an ok skin. I want to make a great skin!
So...I posted sceenies of what I was trying to do, and i was lucky enough to have some of the people here agree to test my stuff before releasing it...and, believe me, alot never was and never will be released. (Thank you, you know who you are!)
I really appreciated all the positive input I recieved, but also was well aware that they were a little reluctant to point out shortcomings, perhaps from not wanting to give offence, or perhaps because they didn't have the knowledge of how to fix it to share.
So, I screwed up my courage and asked for help from one of the skinners whose work I admired and who gave me some constructive criticism on one of my early attemps at skinning - Night Train. Key word here is constructive.
He steered me to the Skinartistry workshop, where he was going to be giving lessons on line. Health kept him from this, but he continued to gave me "no holds" barred critiques of my work. And encouraged me to stick with the workshop.
The Skinartistry Workshop provided a place where I could post my work in progress stuff....I recieved honest critiques and most importantly got help and advice on stuff i just wasn't good at...encouraged to keep at it even when my attempts were failures and then when i finally made a descent skin... I was encouraged to go one better. I truly became an "apprentice" in the truest sense of the word.
My fears of not being allowed to join this "boys" club were totally unfounded....not only did I get great encouragement and support from the "Big Boys" I gained(am hopefull will continue to gain) skills along with friends.
I will finish this by saying a workshop is a splendid idea...and if one isn't formed here, try the one at Skinartistry. Or do what I did...ask someone you admire for help...you'd be suprized at how readily they will share any knowledge they have with you.
And don't pay too much attention to comments that say "you suck" without saying " and here's why and here's what you can do to change it"
I admit it...I am one of those "women" newbie skinners. I had a bug in my bonnet - I wanted to make my own skin. But just following along with the help manual wasn't enough. I didn't (and still don't) want to make just an ok skin. I want to make a great skin!
So...I posted sceenies of what I was trying to do, and i was lucky enough to have some of the people here agree to test my stuff before releasing it...and, believe me, alot never was and never will be released. (Thank you, you know who you are!)
I really appreciated all the positive input I recieved, but also was well aware that they were a little reluctant to point out shortcomings, perhaps from not wanting to give offence, or perhaps because they didn't have the knowledge of how to fix it to share.
So, I screwed up my courage and asked for help from one of the skinners whose work I admired and who gave me some constructive criticism on one of my early attemps at skinning - Night Train. Key word here is constructive.
He steered me to the Skinartistry workshop, where he was going to be giving lessons on line. Health kept him from this, but he continued to gave me "no holds" barred critiques of my work. And encouraged me to stick with the workshop.
The Skinartistry Workshop provided a place where I could post my work in progress stuff....I recieved honest critiques and most importantly got help and advice on stuff i just wasn't good at...encouraged to keep at it even when my attempts were failures and then when i finally made a descent skin... I was encouraged to go one better. I truly became an "apprentice" in the truest sense of the word.
My fears of not being allowed to join this "boys" club were totally unfounded....not only did I get great encouragement and support from the "Big Boys" I gained(am hopefull will continue to gain) skills along with friends.
I will finish this by saying a workshop is a splendid idea...and if one isn't formed here, try the one at Skinartistry. Or do what I did...ask someone you admire for help...you'd be suprized at how readily they will share any knowledge they have with you.
And don't pay too much attention to comments that say "you suck" without saying " and here's why and here's what you can do to change it"
PoSmedley
Reply #64 Saturday, May 6, 2006 9:22 PM
Reply #64 Saturday, May 6, 2006 9:22 PM
i wanna know how to get into the 'women's club
wakka wakka
wakka wakka
Double Zero
Reply #65 Saturday, May 6, 2006 10:06 PM
Get a Medical Proceedure..
Or piss one off good enough and she'll do it for free...
LMAO
Reply #65 Saturday, May 6, 2006 10:06 PM
| i wanna know how to get into the 'women's club |
Get a Medical Proceedure..
Or piss one off good enough and she'll do it for free...
LMAO
Pumakitten57
Reply #66 Saturday, May 6, 2006 10:10 PM
I agree with everything you just said Boopish!
I really hope that one does show up here. I have a wall in the workshop at Skinartistry now and have gotten great information from everyone. Someone else can spot things that you may have just not noticed. If there was a place like the workshop here I may have had some clue as to why the wall I submitted here was rejected. No comments at all, just a rejection. Thats ok, It also can be a learning experience.Bt that just made me all the more determined to do something better. (Boopish, I think I'll submit that wall here,can't hurt)
An Po.....(I can't resist....)
You need at least 1 cat!
Reply #66 Saturday, May 6, 2006 10:10 PM
I will finish this by saying a workshop is a splendid idea...and if one isn't formed here, try the one at Skinartistry. |
I agree with everything you just said Boopish!
I really hope that one does show up here. I have a wall in the workshop at Skinartistry now and have gotten great information from everyone. Someone else can spot things that you may have just not noticed. If there was a place like the workshop here I may have had some clue as to why the wall I submitted here was rejected. No comments at all, just a rejection. Thats ok, It also can be a learning experience.Bt that just made me all the more determined to do something better. (Boopish, I think I'll submit that wall here,can't hurt)
An Po.....(I can't resist....)
| i wanna know how to get into the 'women's club |
You need at least 1 cat!
boopish
Reply #67 Saturday, May 6, 2006 10:44 PM
Reply #67 Saturday, May 6, 2006 10:44 PM
'po...just bring chocolate.....
And please don't take offence at the "boys club" comment...it just alludes to the fact that there are more males in this art form than females...at the moment. I just couldn't find a more pc way of putting it!
And please don't take offence at the "boys club" comment...it just alludes to the fact that there are more males in this art form than females...at the moment. I just couldn't find a more pc way of putting it!
Fairyy~
Reply #68 Saturday, May 6, 2006 11:03 PM
Nice post betty...I can't believe someone dredged this up..I wrote this forum almost a year ago. But, its still has some great ideas along the way.
As for testing out your first blind attempts..it was always fun to see what came in the email that day. Some of them were filled with errors. But, right from day one you had the ability to make astounding color combinations and something " different "
You certainly have come a long way eh ?
Reply #68 Saturday, May 6, 2006 11:03 PM
I will finish this by saying a workshop is a splendid idea...and if one isn't formed here, try the one at Skinartistry. Or do what I did...ask someone you admire for help...you'd be suprized at how readily they will share any knowledge they have with you. And don't pay too much attention to comments that say "you suck" without saying " and here's why and here's what you can do to change it" |
Nice post betty...I can't believe someone dredged this up..I wrote this forum almost a year ago. But, its still has some great ideas along the way.
As for testing out your first blind attempts..it was always fun to see what came in the email that day. Some of them were filled with errors. But, right from day one you had the ability to make astounding color combinations and something " different "
You certainly have come a long way eh ?
Fairyy~
Reply #69 Saturday, May 6, 2006 11:05 PM
Poor Bichur..always getting picked on ..
Reply #69 Saturday, May 6, 2006 11:05 PM
I would never refer to a noobie or someone making an honest effort as a Troll. (With the exception of Bichur. I HATE Bichur. I DESPISE him. Heck, he probably likes cats!) |
Poor Bichur..always getting picked on ..
starone
Reply #74 Sunday, May 7, 2006 1:22 PM
Reply #74 Sunday, May 7, 2006 1:22 PM
We at Skinnalicious are doing a Windowblind turorial via live chat and we are now opening the doors for a live session on how to do a blind for those that are interested. There is a poll up at Skinnalicious asking whether you would be interested in participating in a live chat tutorial on how to do a blind. After the poll, we will be setting up a forum where you can sign up for it if interested. We will meet approximately one to two hours per session, and at a set time.
We are also offering a work in progress live chat which will be done at a set time daily for those that are interested.
Take care everyone and hope we will see a lot of you interested and wanting to participate.
We are also offering a work in progress live chat which will be done at a set time daily for those that are interested.
Take care everyone and hope we will see a lot of you interested and wanting to participate.
Double Zero
Reply #75 Sunday, May 7, 2006 1:49 PM
Thats pretty cool. if im not mistaken I think Night Train used to hold WB class's at another site, I always meant to try to get in on that but never was ready to when the class's started..
Just an Idea, perhaps someone could log each class and post the log as a sort of "Tutorial" on the sites boards?
Some of us dont do live chats well..LoL, or cant seem to find the time to devote to them...
Reply #75 Sunday, May 7, 2006 1:49 PM
| We at Skinnalicious are doing a Windowblind turorial via live chat |
Thats pretty cool. if im not mistaken I think Night Train used to hold WB class's at another site, I always meant to try to get in on that but never was ready to when the class's started..
Just an Idea, perhaps someone could log each class and post the log as a sort of "Tutorial" on the sites boards?
Some of us dont do live chats well..LoL, or cant seem to find the time to devote to them...
jazzymjr
Reply #76 Sunday, May 7, 2006 2:37 PM
Betty....excellant post! I remember when I was thinking of doing my first blind...you gave me so much support! I had no clue on how to start. I also had to "screw up my courage" and ask for help...not an easy thing for me to do. I am so indebted to you, Night Train (in my humble opinion, a master at skinning!), and Karen for all the help, support, and constructive criticism. To this day, I would never be able to make a skin without all this support and help I continue to receive! As an aside, I looked at my first blind the other day, and it looks like I have made some progress, but still have a very long way to go!
I agree that a WIP forum here would be really helpful, especially for those folks who don't have anyone to call on for help.
Also, s log of the classes would be good too...I know I am one of those people who need "written" instructions!
Reply #76 Sunday, May 7, 2006 2:37 PM
| So, I screwed up my courage and asked for help from one of the skinners whose work I admired and who gave me some constructive criticism on one of my early attemps at skinning - Night Train. Key word here is constructive. |
Betty....excellant post! I remember when I was thinking of doing my first blind...you gave me so much support! I had no clue on how to start. I also had to "screw up my courage" and ask for help...not an easy thing for me to do. I am so indebted to you, Night Train (in my humble opinion, a master at skinning!), and Karen for all the help, support, and constructive criticism. To this day, I would never be able to make a skin without all this support and help I continue to receive! As an aside, I looked at my first blind the other day, and it looks like I have made some progress, but still have a very long way to go!
I agree that a WIP forum here would be really helpful, especially for those folks who don't have anyone to call on for help.
Also, s log of the classes would be good too...I know I am one of those people who need "written" instructions!
Fairyy~
Reply #77 Sunday, May 7, 2006 5:13 PM
What a great idea....unfortunately..Cindi had told me to be in the live chat now you really needed cable or dsl. Im on dial-up and thats why I havent been in the live chat since the new site opened...I have replied to your email
I'm usually the opposite. Its easier for me if i'm led through a procedure verbally- step by step ...usually it sinks better. Written direction work if they have a screen shot showing me what to do or at least where I should be looking ..
I'm glad I could help you jazzy because I've never attempted a windowblind but I was happy to test out your blind along the way. Sometimes staring at the same blind hours on end you get cross-eyed
Reply #77 Sunday, May 7, 2006 5:13 PM
| Starone : We at Skinnalicious are doing a Windowblind turorial via live chat and we are now opening the doors for a live session on how to do a blind for those that are interested. There is a poll up at Skinnalicious asking whether you would be interested in participating in a live chat tutorial on how to do a blind. After the poll, we will be setting up a forum where you can sign up for it if interested. We will meet approximately one to two hours per session, and at a set time. |
What a great idea....unfortunately..Cindi had told me to be in the live chat now you really needed cable or dsl. Im on dial-up and thats why I havent been in the live chat since the new site opened...I have replied to your email
I agree that a WIP forum here would be really helpful, especially for those folks who don't have anyone to call on for help. Also, s log of the classes would be good too...I know I am one of those people who need "written" instructions! |
I'm usually the opposite. Its easier for me if i'm led through a procedure verbally- step by step ...usually it sinks better. Written direction work if they have a screen shot showing me what to do or at least where I should be looking ..
I'm glad I could help you jazzy because I've never attempted a windowblind but I was happy to test out your blind along the way. Sometimes staring at the same blind hours on end you get cross-eyed
starone
Reply #78 Monday, May 8, 2006 11:52 AM
Reply #78 Monday, May 8, 2006 11:52 AM
Double Zero, we also post logs of the tutorial in the forum as they are done per chat session. Gives you something to look back on. The chat tutorial is very laid back and you can ask questions on the instructions if you don't understand something so the posted log is as it is in the chat turorial (very unconventional tutorial for sure, but definitely not boring, and I might add sometimes amusing).
Double Zero
Reply #79 Monday, May 8, 2006 5:50 PM
Reply #79 Monday, May 8, 2006 5:50 PM
Thanks Starone,
I have always hated sitting in chats..I am a turtle when it comes to typing, (the old "search and poke" method, lol) so I miss alot when the chat room is just flying by..I'll look for the logs, and if I have questions I'll log into Skinalicious and ask you, Cindi or whoever I can get to talk to me for 5 minutes..LoL
I have always hated sitting in chats..I am a turtle when it comes to typing, (the old "search and poke" method, lol) so I miss alot when the chat room is just flying by..I'll look for the logs, and if I have questions I'll log into Skinalicious and ask you, Cindi or whoever I can get to talk to me for 5 minutes..LoL
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Reply #61 Saturday, May 6, 2006 7:14 PM