A New Catagory For Skinning?
Saturday, June 25, 2005 by Fairyy~ | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
~Hi
I'll just be brief and not really intending to point fingers at anyone.
But after viewing a few snitty comments on some WB skins ( and I'll remind everyone that blinds are shared and if you don't like it, don't download it, simple )
The real Topic here is what about starting a catagory for " New Skinners "
Several of the " women " of WC have their own little test group. Others don't have that pleasure of being able to test their work before uploading it.
Wouldnt it be nice to be able to upload a skin just to see if your doing anything RIGHT rather than being told everything thats wrong..or worse yet, being laughed at by people that forget they once had to start somewhere .
Im happy with just tweaking others blinds. Way too much involved in skinning an entire blind.
But..a catagory that has no ratings..( doesnt have to be viewed by the public..could be just members of WC)
Just a thought.......
I'll just be brief and not really intending to point fingers at anyone.
But after viewing a few snitty comments on some WB skins ( and I'll remind everyone that blinds are shared and if you don't like it, don't download it, simple )
The real Topic here is what about starting a catagory for " New Skinners "
Several of the " women " of WC have their own little test group. Others don't have that pleasure of being able to test their work before uploading it.
Wouldnt it be nice to be able to upload a skin just to see if your doing anything RIGHT rather than being told everything thats wrong..or worse yet, being laughed at by people that forget they once had to start somewhere .
Im happy with just tweaking others blinds. Way too much involved in skinning an entire blind.
But..a catagory that has no ratings..( doesnt have to be viewed by the public..could be just members of WC)
Just a thought.......
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Fairyy~
Reply #42 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:15 AM
Mr Grimner..I didnt mean to make it sound like it was only for WB's. All skinning areas would be awesome. I only know how to make a rainlender....nothing fancy, no toggle buttons. Sometimes the more knowledgable skinners write the tutorials ..i'm not even familiar with some of the terms used. So if the section was watched over by only the more advanced skinners, they need to keep that in mind..not all of us are that computer savvy ..hope I spelt that right
Reply #42 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:15 AM
| Good concepts just wish it could be for more than just window blinds. |
Mr Grimner..I didnt mean to make it sound like it was only for WB's. All skinning areas would be awesome. I only know how to make a rainlender....nothing fancy, no toggle buttons. Sometimes the more knowledgable skinners write the tutorials ..i'm not even familiar with some of the terms used. So if the section was watched over by only the more advanced skinners, they need to keep that in mind..not all of us are that computer savvy ..hope I spelt that right
Koasati
Reply #43 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 12:18 PM
Reply #43 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 12:18 PM
If you don't understand the terms used...... ask someone for clarification.
Boss019
Reply #44 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:16 PM
Reply #44 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:16 PM
EasyRider 2 is Butch123, who conviently pulled the link I posted above. Others here have seen it and know the content and the lack of "Class", hell, lack of anything resembling a "classy" human being. He is a total con.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #45 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:21 PM
Reply #45 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:21 PM
Skinartistry has had a system set up for well over a year now where people can upload WIP's. The idea is to make it easier for newbies to learn and assist the elders with testing. It has worked flawlessly. People can choose between public or private viewing. 
Koasati
Reply #46 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:49 PM
Reply #46 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:49 PM
That's true Night Train, and it's a great thing you guys are doing there. I just wish your site wasn't so slow for dialup users. That's the main reason I don't visit the site much. 2+ minutes to load a page........ and to tell the truth, the last time I was there (last week), I couldn't find a link to the WIP section. I was going to mention it in this thread, but I had to give up, too slow, and too hard to read small white text on black. 
Fairyy~
Reply #47 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:51 PM
Wizop Koasati , if I asked every question I had..I'd drive you crazy. Thats why I try to figure it out myself or ask a " friend" but if you insist
Night Train ..your one of the skinners that goes out of their way to help others. I find most here are very willing to send directions in email. Skin Artistry's "Works In Progress " section...Is it used more for the more seasoned skinners to show their WIP or is it more " beginners ? "
Boss: I read everything at the link you provided and even saw you make the comment about " go ahead and pull all the comments like you always do " and he replied " no way "
We all know Mr.Easyrider is butch123...and I saw the " real " him. Its not very becomming .
Reply #47 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 5:51 PM
| If you don't understand the terms used...... ask someone for clarification |
Wizop Koasati , if I asked every question I had..I'd drive you crazy. Thats why I try to figure it out myself or ask a " friend" but if you insist
Night Train ..your one of the skinners that goes out of their way to help others. I find most here are very willing to send directions in email. Skin Artistry's "Works In Progress " section...Is it used more for the more seasoned skinners to show their WIP or is it more " beginners ? "
Boss: I read everything at the link you provided and even saw you make the comment about " go ahead and pull all the comments like you always do " and he replied " no way "
We all know Mr.Easyrider is butch123...and I saw the " real " him. Its not very becomming .
seldomseen
Reply #48 Saturday, May 6, 2006 12:41 PM
Have they become so unmanageable?!
I heard it as "Alligator Mouth/Humminbird a__"
[...meanwhile, back at the ranch...] > fairyy, thanks for the thread. I'm just starting to sniff around the mechanics of skinning after a few years (!) around here, feasting and browsing.
If and when I upload, I'd certainly, unquestionably enjoy and welcome critique! If my hide is so tender as to be offended, please slap me into next week, as it would be a welcome reality-check.Friend of mine said she feels like she's "running shoulder-to-shoulder with the buffalo", describing a group she hangs with...that's a great part of this community for me.
A critique "section"? You bet. First must prepare to meet with sensei. So...
[goes to draw a circle...]
Reply #48 Saturday, May 6, 2006 12:41 PM
| manage the trolls |
| There is an old saying |
[...meanwhile, back at the ranch...] > fairyy, thanks for the thread. I'm just starting to sniff around the mechanics of skinning after a few years (!) around here, feasting and browsing.
If and when I upload, I'd certainly, unquestionably enjoy and welcome critique! If my hide is so tender as to be offended, please slap me into next week, as it would be a welcome reality-check.Friend of mine said she feels like she's "running shoulder-to-shoulder with the buffalo", describing a group she hangs with...that's a great part of this community for me.
A critique "section"? You bet. First must prepare to meet with sensei. So...
[goes to draw a circle...]
Rychian
Reply #49 Saturday, May 6, 2006 2:28 PM
Reply #49 Saturday, May 6, 2006 2:28 PM
As a new skinner I think the Idea is great!!! I would love to be able to see that. But why not offer it to the public and let that be the only rating. If a new skin reaches a certain level, then it could be promoted. I would love to know if I'm doing anything wrong with my skins. I can also add that I love what I do, So learning something new could be offered to the new ones who stay around to become skinning gods as well.
Thanks for listening............
Thanks for listening............
PoSmedley
Reply #51 Saturday, May 6, 2006 4:20 PM
Reply #51 Saturday, May 6, 2006 4:20 PM
I heard there was a NEW Troll in here..
..I call it thumping to the oldies!
..I call it thumping to the oldies!
seldomseen
Reply #53 Saturday, May 6, 2006 4:54 PM
Reply #53 Saturday, May 6, 2006 4:54 PM
How much to pass over the t(r)oll bridge?
[what key's it in?]
[what key's it in?]
rabidrobot
Reply #55 Saturday, May 6, 2006 5:07 PM
Reply #55 Saturday, May 6, 2006 5:07 PM
I am all for the idea of making new skinners welcome and invited. Probably the biggest thing that keeps me visiting WC everyday is the community.
But this community exists and thrives because of the tools and rules of the site: forums, comments on submissions, ratings, access levels, and so on.
So I wonder, what changes or additions, specifically, could be made. And this thread is filled (for the most part) with suggestions.
In the end though, it seems the goals are to 1) increase constructive feedback from veteran skinners, and 2) create the least threatening circumstances possible for beginners to share.
Perhaps goal 2 can be achieved by censoring "unqualified" commenters (as has been suggested in a number of forms) and having no rating stars, but to achieve goal number 1 would be more difficult.
I doubt veteran skinners feel intimidated from commenting using the existing system--how will such individuals be encouraged to participate more? And I worry that setting aside a special place for people to dump rough, unfinished, and to be honest probably soon-to-be-abandoned skins is unlikely to attract many apprentices, much less journeypersons for constructive input.
Requests for criticism on the forums are usually well recieved. Perhaps a special forum where people could link to works-in-progress stored as personal-site-only skins is a possibility.
But this community exists and thrives because of the tools and rules of the site: forums, comments on submissions, ratings, access levels, and so on.
So I wonder, what changes or additions, specifically, could be made. And this thread is filled (for the most part) with suggestions.
In the end though, it seems the goals are to 1) increase constructive feedback from veteran skinners, and 2) create the least threatening circumstances possible for beginners to share.
Perhaps goal 2 can be achieved by censoring "unqualified" commenters (as has been suggested in a number of forms) and having no rating stars, but to achieve goal number 1 would be more difficult.
I doubt veteran skinners feel intimidated from commenting using the existing system--how will such individuals be encouraged to participate more? And I worry that setting aside a special place for people to dump rough, unfinished, and to be honest probably soon-to-be-abandoned skins is unlikely to attract many apprentices, much less journeypersons for constructive input.
Requests for criticism on the forums are usually well recieved. Perhaps a special forum where people could link to works-in-progress stored as personal-site-only skins is a possibility.
Rychian
Reply #56 Saturday, May 6, 2006 5:17 PM
Reply #56 Saturday, May 6, 2006 5:17 PM
Trol?????? HHHMMMMMMM. Thanks for the support for us new skinners, Fairyy, But it seems some of us newbies will never have a chance to get a start. I have submited a few ObjectDock backgrounds and have done all of the work myself. I knew that I was competing against some of the best, But I did it anyway. I may never be as good as the "skinning Gods" here, But I do try. I thought I found a start and being called a "Troll", Doesn't really make me want to be a better skinner or even a skinner at all. I submit here so I can get the critiques and learn from my mistakes. I do realize I could submit at other sites, But, the best are here. Well, Thanks anyway. Keep up the great work folks!!!!!! (Sorry For Ranting)
PoSmedley
Reply #58 Saturday, May 6, 2006 6:00 PM
Hey, Bro, this was in no way a reference to you, but to the buttmunch making idle threats and such. I love your work.
I would never refer to a noobie or someone making an honest effort as a Troll. (With the exception of Bichur. I HATE Bichur. I DESPISE him. Heck, he probably likes cats!)
Reply #58 Saturday, May 6, 2006 6:00 PM
| and being called a "Troll" |
Hey, Bro, this was in no way a reference to you, but to the buttmunch making idle threats and such. I love your work.
I would never refer to a noobie or someone making an honest effort as a Troll. (With the exception of Bichur. I HATE Bichur. I DESPISE him. Heck, he probably likes cats!)
Bichur
Reply #59 Saturday, May 6, 2006 6:50 PM
packed with wild rice, turned on a slow spit.
Reply #59 Saturday, May 6, 2006 6:50 PM
| Heck, he probably likes cats! |
packed with wild rice, turned on a slow spit.
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Reply #41 Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:54 AM
#7 by Mr EasyRider2
Sat, June 25, 2005 7:07 PM
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Fairyy you have a great idea. There should be a place where new people can upload their works and not be judged, but instead encouraged and helped. There is a lot of work in making a windowblind and if more people would help it would benefit your whole community. After all new people dont got to go through some of the crap that I know some people went through. They shoudl be encouraged, helped and applauded for their efforts.
(a direct quote from Butch123)
~You know whats ironic about this ? You post this comment and your one of the offenders. Do you even know what you write or who you make comments to ?
I had avoided this only because I wanted this thread to stay on topic. But I see your only here to be a Troll as usual.
Your comment on one of the skins with 1 star was this ......
and I quote: Comment# 3 By Mr EasyRider2 - 6/24/2005 10:51:13 PM
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" My God
Now..explain your comment and try to make sense. Better yet, don't bother, your a hypocrite.
Heres the link to your "Oh so helpful and supportive remark to a Newbie"
Link