Global poll slams Bush leadership
Tuesday, January 18, 2005 by thethimble | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
More than half of people surveyed in a BBC World Service poll say the re-election of US President George W Bush has made the world more dangerous.
Only three countries - India, Poland and the Philippines - out of 21 polled believed the world was now safer.
The survey found that 47% now viewed US influence in the world as largely negative and such unfavourable feelings extended towards Americans as a whole.
None of the countries polled supported contributing their troops to Iraq.
"Negative feelings about Bush are high and are generalising to the American people who re-elected him."
On average across all countries, 58% of people - and 16 out of 21 countries polled - said they believed Mr Bush's re-election to the White House made the world more dangerous.
Only three countries - India, Poland and the Philippines - out of 21 polled believed the world was now safer.
The survey found that 47% now viewed US influence in the world as largely negative and such unfavourable feelings extended towards Americans as a whole.
None of the countries polled supported contributing their troops to Iraq.
"Negative feelings about Bush are high and are generalising to the American people who re-elected him."
On average across all countries, 58% of people - and 16 out of 21 countries polled - said they believed Mr Bush's re-election to the White House made the world more dangerous.
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thethimble
Reply #42 Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:57 AM
Reply #42 Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:57 AM
-- The cost of the Iraq War is over $ 150 BILLION !!!! http://costofwar.com/
-- I believe that 150 Billion & the loss of many soldiers is not worth the justice of Saddam
-- The current debt of USA is $7,608,114,209,434.69 http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm $7.6 TRILLION
-- This is soooo much that each citizen's share of debt is $25,782.23 Link
-- The national debt as gross domestic product: http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Here are just a few things about Bush that makes me want to pretend he doesn't exist.
-- I believe that 150 Billion & the loss of many soldiers is not worth the justice of Saddam
-- The current debt of USA is $7,608,114,209,434.69 http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm $7.6 TRILLION
-- This is soooo much that each citizen's share of debt is $25,782.23 Link
-- The national debt as gross domestic product: http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Here are just a few things about Bush that makes me want to pretend he doesn't exist.
WebGizmos
Reply #43 Thursday, January 20, 2005 1:22 AM
Reply #43 Thursday, January 20, 2005 1:22 AM
I was going to reply more in depth to some of the comments made here regarding what I've said...but I can see it's pointless.
I stand by what I've said...agree with it...or don't...
Michael Moore...Michael Moore...geeeezus...how long will we have to hear about this...nope, sorry...didn't see the film...had no need to...am very capable of thinking for myself, forming my own thoughts and coming to my own conclusions. I have eyes that see very clearly what's happening in the world. That of course comes from not watching our...(and I use the terms very loosely) all informing, completely truthful news.
I stand by what I've said...agree with it...or don't...
Michael Moore...Michael Moore...geeeezus...how long will we have to hear about this...nope, sorry...didn't see the film...had no need to...am very capable of thinking for myself, forming my own thoughts and coming to my own conclusions. I have eyes that see very clearly what's happening in the world. That of course comes from not watching our...(and I use the terms very loosely) all informing, completely truthful news.
RadialFX
Reply #44 Thursday, January 20, 2005 1:58 AM
Reply #44 Thursday, January 20, 2005 1:58 AM
I know discussing stuff like this can be very difficult so I'm going to try to keep this simple. Everyone of course has an opinion. It seems to me that anyone responsible for "The final say" so to speak whether in the office of the president of ToysRUs or the U.S. set in the hot seat when it's time to make decisions. I own a company that I founded 24yrs ago. It doesn't matter how much time or effort I expend on a decision trying to do the best or right thing, it is going to be viewed by some as the right choice and some as the wrong choice.
It's really easy to win wars, the super bowl, the ryder cup, become a millionaire, etc... while I'm sitting in my living room. I don't care who gets voted in as president of whatever, he's gonna be wrong by some and right by some.
I DO know this though, here in the U.S. you can complain about this stuff without going to jail or being executed. If a jet flies over your head it's most likely just landing somewhere. If your hungry, you can probably find something to eat. I know the country and it's president doesn't fit all, but DANG, things really don't run too bad around here!
It's really easy to win wars, the super bowl, the ryder cup, become a millionaire, etc... while I'm sitting in my living room. I don't care who gets voted in as president of whatever, he's gonna be wrong by some and right by some.
I DO know this though, here in the U.S. you can complain about this stuff without going to jail or being executed. If a jet flies over your head it's most likely just landing somewhere. If your hungry, you can probably find something to eat. I know the country and it's president doesn't fit all, but DANG, things really don't run too bad around here!
Action_Jay
Reply #45 Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:05 AM
Reply #45 Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:05 AM
Good point, WebGizmos. People place far too much weight on Moore simply because he had the nerve to publicize his views. If more people in his corner were half as brave to speak up, there would be a lot less of this kind of rallying and labelling. Moore isn't exactly Karl Marx here, and airing a gripe with the government doesn't make you a communist or unpatriotic.
Blaming every left winged train of thought on Moore would be like blaming every right winged statement on Rush Limbaugh. If people always looked to one person, and one person only for their political input, they'd never have opinions of their own. This applies to either side.
As an aside, I was granted the pleasure of listening to Rush while in the states for the holidays. He struck me as a medieval blowhard.
Thanks for the figures thethimble. The irreperable damage there is something that seems to get swept under the carpet whenever justifying this war comes up.
Nice to know I'm not welcome in your country, Stephen. Though Canada does provide the States with a good deal of energy and raw materials, there seems to be a lot of hard feelings since we didn't join in the war. No regrets here, though. We still have all our budget in place. Our citizens don't need nuclear deterrence to feel safe, and most of our population is enjoying a peaceful existance rather than wondering when their military relatives are coming home. I can understand the hard feelings, but as long as the US pays off their deficit, I don't mind at all.
Blaming every left winged train of thought on Moore would be like blaming every right winged statement on Rush Limbaugh. If people always looked to one person, and one person only for their political input, they'd never have opinions of their own. This applies to either side.
As an aside, I was granted the pleasure of listening to Rush while in the states for the holidays. He struck me as a medieval blowhard.
Thanks for the figures thethimble. The irreperable damage there is something that seems to get swept under the carpet whenever justifying this war comes up.
Nice to know I'm not welcome in your country, Stephen. Though Canada does provide the States with a good deal of energy and raw materials, there seems to be a lot of hard feelings since we didn't join in the war. No regrets here, though. We still have all our budget in place. Our citizens don't need nuclear deterrence to feel safe, and most of our population is enjoying a peaceful existance rather than wondering when their military relatives are coming home. I can understand the hard feelings, but as long as the US pays off their deficit, I don't mind at all.
stephen jesser
Reply #46 Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:06 AM
Reply #46 Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:06 AM
"The cost of the Iraq War is over $ 150 BILLION"
Yeah....war is expensive. One of the wonderful things about this great nation is that we are willing to go into debt to help another nation in distress.
"The current debt of USA is $7,608,114,209,434.69"
Did it ever occur to you that if we collected on money owed to us by other nations and ceased overseas aid for a year or two we would have no national debt. Savor that for a minute or two.....
"I DO know this though, here in the U.S. you can complain about this stuff without going to jail or being executed. If a jet flies over your head it's most likely just landing somewhere. If your hungry, you can probably find something to eat. I know the country and it's president doesn't fit all, but DANG, things really don't run too bad around here!"
Finally someone with some common sense! I applaud you.
"Our citizens don't need nuclear deterrence to feel safe"
It's comments like this that get me going. Think before you speak (write) next time. Allow me to help you out with a bit of geography. The United States and Canada share a huge chunk of land referred to as North America; not to mention a common border. Every nation understands that if they mess with Canada then they mess with the United States. Therein lies your deterrence......be grateful instead of smug.
"most of our population is enjoying a peaceful existance"
.....at our expense (literally).
"rather than wondering when their military relatives are coming home"
It's not an easy thing wondering if a loved one will come home. I know.....my father is a retired Navy Captain and I have experienced that feeling on more than one occasion. That being said, I am proud of his service to our great nation and other nations we've helped in their time of need. You see, therein lies one of the fundamental differences between Canadians and Americans. We Americans are not content to sit on our asses when we see a country whose citizens are beaten, tortured and murdered by a ruthless leader who maintains his control with an iron fist
Link
Link
On the contrary, we feel a moral imperative to rid the world of people such as Saddam Hussein so that people can live in freedom. We feel so strongly about things like rape, torture, murder and ethnic cleansing that we are willing to spend billions of dollars and risk the lives of those we love to irradicate it. Oh yeah....we're also willing to spend billions more to rebuild countries after we've freed them from oppression. I sleep well knowing that we look beyond our borders when it comes to such blatant human rights violations. Can you as a Canadian say the same thing? Shame on you. Oh.....and if you're not satisfied with my links, feel free to speak with any Iraqi citizen who fled their country prior to the war. I live in San Diego and we have a large American-Iraqi population the overwhelming majority of who support the war efforts in Iraq.
Yeah....war is expensive. One of the wonderful things about this great nation is that we are willing to go into debt to help another nation in distress.
"The current debt of USA is $7,608,114,209,434.69"
Did it ever occur to you that if we collected on money owed to us by other nations and ceased overseas aid for a year or two we would have no national debt. Savor that for a minute or two.....
"I DO know this though, here in the U.S. you can complain about this stuff without going to jail or being executed. If a jet flies over your head it's most likely just landing somewhere. If your hungry, you can probably find something to eat. I know the country and it's president doesn't fit all, but DANG, things really don't run too bad around here!"
Finally someone with some common sense! I applaud you.
"Our citizens don't need nuclear deterrence to feel safe"
It's comments like this that get me going. Think before you speak (write) next time. Allow me to help you out with a bit of geography. The United States and Canada share a huge chunk of land referred to as North America; not to mention a common border. Every nation understands that if they mess with Canada then they mess with the United States. Therein lies your deterrence......be grateful instead of smug.
"most of our population is enjoying a peaceful existance"
.....at our expense (literally).
"rather than wondering when their military relatives are coming home"
It's not an easy thing wondering if a loved one will come home. I know.....my father is a retired Navy Captain and I have experienced that feeling on more than one occasion. That being said, I am proud of his service to our great nation and other nations we've helped in their time of need. You see, therein lies one of the fundamental differences between Canadians and Americans. We Americans are not content to sit on our asses when we see a country whose citizens are beaten, tortured and murdered by a ruthless leader who maintains his control with an iron fist
Link
Link
On the contrary, we feel a moral imperative to rid the world of people such as Saddam Hussein so that people can live in freedom. We feel so strongly about things like rape, torture, murder and ethnic cleansing that we are willing to spend billions of dollars and risk the lives of those we love to irradicate it. Oh yeah....we're also willing to spend billions more to rebuild countries after we've freed them from oppression. I sleep well knowing that we look beyond our borders when it comes to such blatant human rights violations. Can you as a Canadian say the same thing? Shame on you. Oh.....and if you're not satisfied with my links, feel free to speak with any Iraqi citizen who fled their country prior to the war. I live in San Diego and we have a large American-Iraqi population the overwhelming majority of who support the war efforts in Iraq.
WebGizmos
Reply #47 Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:56 AM
Wow thethimble! 14 years old and you already have to concern yourself with stuff like this...and rightly so...since it will be you and your generation that will have to pay most of it off...and that's sad.
And unfortunately he does exist.
Reply #47 Thursday, January 20, 2005 4:56 AM
| #42 by thethimble Thursday, January 20, 2005 -- The cost of the Iraq War is over $ 150 BILLION !!!! -- I believe that 150 Billion & the loss of many soldiers is not worth the justice of Saddam -- The current debt of USA is $7,608,114,209,434.69 - $7.6 TRILLION -- This is soooo much that each citizen's share of debt is $25,782.23 -- The national debt as gross domestic product: Here are just a few things about Bush that makes me want to pretend he doesn't exist. |
Wow thethimble! 14 years old and you already have to concern yourself with stuff like this...and rightly so...since it will be you and your generation that will have to pay most of it off...and that's sad.
And unfortunately he does exist.
stephen jesser
Reply #48 Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:17 AM
Reply #48 Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:17 AM
Shame on you, webgizmos.
On the contrary, thethimble, be proud that you live in a great nation which will spare no expense to afford freedom to all.
On the contrary, thethimble, be proud that you live in a great nation which will spare no expense to afford freedom to all.
joeKnowledge
Reply #49 Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:25 AM
Nope.
I don't agree with how Bush handled this Iraq ingagement. Things could have been handled far better and should have been given history lessons of war and the peace that follows it.
I personally, hoped Bush and his team knew this.
Anyway, I did vote for Bush as many have done. Not that I like what he did or how he went about it, but Kerry just was not up for the job so there was not much of a choice in the matter.
No matter what the world thinks, Kerry would not have made things better at all. He could not have fixed Bush's mistakes but maybe Bush can... I hope.
Reply #49 Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:25 AM
| The US conducted the only poll that matters when it comes to Presidents and that was in November. You think China or France sweat what people in other countries think of their governments? |
Nope.
I don't agree with how Bush handled this Iraq ingagement. Things could have been handled far better and should have been given history lessons of war and the peace that follows it.
I personally, hoped Bush and his team knew this.
Anyway, I did vote for Bush as many have done. Not that I like what he did or how he went about it, but Kerry just was not up for the job so there was not much of a choice in the matter.
No matter what the world thinks, Kerry would not have made things better at all. He could not have fixed Bush's mistakes but maybe Bush can... I hope.
Action_Jay
Reply #50 Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:02 AM
Reply #50 Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:02 AM
While we're linking, here's a new one I found today. Pretty interesting.
Link
And no worries Stephen. My country and I aren't relying on the states for any form of protection. We don't have any enemies to need protection from.
Link
And no worries Stephen. My country and I aren't relying on the states for any form of protection. We don't have any enemies to need protection from.
WebGizmos
Reply #51 Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:09 AM
Yeah...thats right! What was I thinking!? You listen to stephen there thethimble, he's got it all figured out, and you just spend spend spend your future away. Just live for the moment and forget the future!
Ok...I had it with this thread.
Reply #51 Thursday, January 20, 2005 6:09 AM
| Shame on you, webgizmos. On the contrary, thethimble, be proud that you live in a great nation which will spare no expense to afford freedom to all. |
Yeah...thats right! What was I thinking!? You listen to stephen there thethimble, he's got it all figured out, and you just spend spend spend your future away. Just live for the moment and forget the future!
Ok...I had it with this thread.
Island Dog
Reply #52 Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:32 AM
Your future is not spent away. We have been in debt before, and life still went on just fine.
Reply #52 Thursday, January 20, 2005 8:32 AM
| Yeah...thats right! What was I thinking!? You listen to stephen there thethimble, he's got it all figured out, and you just spend spend spend your future away. Just live for the moment and forget the future! |
Your future is not spent away. We have been in debt before, and life still went on just fine.
_02
Reply #53 Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:06 AM
Reply #53 Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:06 AM
Jesser, I am far from ignorant, I do not get High, Drink or watch MTV. Anyone who thinks Bush caused 9/11 is the one who is ignorant. The planning for it started on Clintons watch. Could it be they started planning on Clintons watch with a psychic knowing that Bush would be elected 5 years later?
_02
Reply #54 Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:33 AM
Reply #54 Thursday, January 20, 2005 9:33 AM
Jesser forgive me if you think I attacked you. I am not. You are right and I see we are on the same side. I was just up until 3am waiting for my son in law to get home from work. We had a surprise snowstorm here yesterday and millions of people were stuck in their cars trying to get home at the same time. My son in law was in his car for over 15 hours and he only started about 50 miles from his home. What a nightmare. Peace to all 
stephen jesser
Reply #55 Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:56 AM
Reply #55 Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:56 AM
"And no worries Stephen. My country and I aren't relying on the states for any form of protection. We don't have any enemies to need protection from."
.....precisely because Canada has shown that it is content to turn a blind eye to world problems and human rights abuses. When Canada was presented with clear evidence that Saddam Hussein was systematically torturing, dismembering, murduring and comitting ethnic cleansing on its own citizens, Canada did absolutely nothing. And you are proud of what?
.....precisely because Canada has shown that it is content to turn a blind eye to world problems and human rights abuses. When Canada was presented with clear evidence that Saddam Hussein was systematically torturing, dismembering, murduring and comitting ethnic cleansing on its own citizens, Canada did absolutely nothing. And you are proud of what?
CygnusXII
Reply #56 Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:59 AM
Reply #56 Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:59 AM
Do not forget that Clinton Era also emaciated our Intelligence Networks, also Bombed an Aspirin Factory (for Gods Sake.)
Every generation does something that the previous generation has to pay for, it is a matter of fact, and something we have to just get over and be done with. The fact is Love Him, or not President Bush is the "duely" elected represenative to lead the Nation in the Office of the Presidency.
Every generation does something that the previous generation has to pay for, it is a matter of fact, and something we have to just get over and be done with. The fact is Love Him, or not President Bush is the "duely" elected represenative to lead the Nation in the Office of the Presidency.
Action_Jay
Reply #57 Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:15 AM
Reply #57 Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:15 AM
Actually, Canada has historically been commended for our human rights approach, and we're still in the top ten countries worldwide. We have the longest average life expectancy. Our quality of life, employment and education rate, and health care system are all worlds beyond the states. And when you take a look at murders and violent crimes, it's hard to believe we're on the same continent. But that's all concerning local issues. When it comes to the worldwide stage, we're known to send aid to help solve conflicts, not weapons. We don't ignore problems, but we certainly don't kill them into submission. And here's a kicker for the patriotic, we're so well liked worldwide, especially in europe, that american tourists often try to pass for canadians. 
lilstarfish
Reply #58 Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:20 AM
Reply #58 Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:20 AM
Just a little link for all the gullible people of the world.
Don't pretend you know what is going on, you will never be alowed near the truth.
All you will be told is what will make you react exactly as "needed".
People in all countries will be told that "democracy" is good,
by the very people who can't tell the truth. Nothing is more
easy than to get rich while the "peasants" are kept busy
fighting among themselves.
Call some of them "left" and some of them "right" and see how
fervently they go about to apply the same "labels" among themselves.
Divide and conquer is all too easy.
http://www.politrix.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=434&mode=&order=0&thold=0
Did you ever bother to do a little reseacrch yourself?
Nah, I'm too lazy. I trust the corporate media to tell me the truth.
They are paid to do that, so they will, right. Right?....wtf...holy crap!!
Don't pretend you know what is going on, you will never be alowed near the truth.
All you will be told is what will make you react exactly as "needed".
People in all countries will be told that "democracy" is good,
by the very people who can't tell the truth. Nothing is more
easy than to get rich while the "peasants" are kept busy
fighting among themselves.
Call some of them "left" and some of them "right" and see how
fervently they go about to apply the same "labels" among themselves.
Divide and conquer is all too easy.
http://www.politrix.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=434&mode=&order=0&thold=0
Did you ever bother to do a little reseacrch yourself?
Nah, I'm too lazy. I trust the corporate media to tell me the truth.
They are paid to do that, so they will, right. Right?....wtf...holy crap!!
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Reply #41 Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:54 PM
What say we refrain from personal attack.
Debates/discussions are fine, but please remember that anyone resorting to 'personal attack' is degrading his/her own stance/argument.
Debate the topic, not the person....