Oh my GOD! school administrators are sooooooo dumb!
they freak out when you get into MSDOS/Command prompt
Tuesday, January 11, 2005 by MadPyro | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
so funny. it started with a net send message to my friend saying "hi"
problem is that we arent supposed to be able to get into drive C: to access the command.com file right? wrong. easy enough to access it using any application out there. MORONS
ok, so i net send a message to my friend... that was yesterday...
today, 6th period, 2 security personelle come in to escort me to the friggin principals office. HA! i need no escort... i walk calmly to the office and sit down to wait.
chat a little with the security morons and find out that this is about MSDOS and me. quickly, i formulate a plan in my mind: bullshit em so much that they wont even know it.
so, finally, the principal calls me in and asks me to sit down, the two security morons on either side of me.
"so, do you know what this is about?"
"well kind of, steve [security moron #1] hinted that its about msdos stuff"
"yes, you see, we have disabled command prompt from these school computers for a reason, so that kids [pauses] cant harm the school's system and somehow, you managed to get into it and did something there..."
"yes?"
"and we feel that this may pose a threat to our system"
"*chuckle*"
"whats so funny?"
"well, you see, two things;
1. command prompt isnt disabled, its hidden in drive C: to which the system doesnt allow access.
2. MSDOS cant do much against xp. all i did was test sending a message to a friend using net send, it worked so i was like sweet!"
"yes and we feel that this can be a threat to us."
"sir, if i wanted to screw up the school system, there are alot easier ways of doing that. and if i wanted to screw it up, i would NOT use my account to do it from"
"hm..."
"see, on windows Xp, you disabled access to drive C:. when i am bored, i screw around... one day, while trying to load objects for lightwave into lightwave, i was forced to find a way to get into drive C:."
"yes...?"*takes notes*
"so, all i did was open lightwave, go file....open....browse... and in the address bar, type "C:". all that did was throw me to "my documents", i found this kind of funny since it should show "drive C: inaccessible" so i hit the "up one level" button and it took me back one level, i hit it a couple more times and Ooo... drive c: bingo! i opened lightwave and objects and i was able to load an object."
"yes? and how does this make you able to open command prompt?"
"same way i opened that i can open command.com... see? go windows/system32/command.com [opens it on hit computer]"
"i see... and how do you do this 'net send'thing?"
"*sigh* [type 'net send maloym test'] see? message arrives saying test"
"i see...."
*scribbles notes*
[i notice security morons leaning to see it too]
****bell rings****
"saved by the bell... can i go catch my bus? you can call me in tomorrow"
"ok, i will call you in around 3rd period"
"ok {[mutter] sheesh...}"
heart pounding, i pick up my backpack and head out the door... i walk by the front desk and notice the secretary staring at me with a dissaproving glance....
-----------to be continued tomorrow after the next debate--------------------
wish me luck, i cant get suspended, im a senior and i need to finish this year...
problem is that we arent supposed to be able to get into drive C: to access the command.com file right? wrong. easy enough to access it using any application out there. MORONS
ok, so i net send a message to my friend... that was yesterday...
today, 6th period, 2 security personelle come in to escort me to the friggin principals office. HA! i need no escort... i walk calmly to the office and sit down to wait.
chat a little with the security morons and find out that this is about MSDOS and me. quickly, i formulate a plan in my mind: bullshit em so much that they wont even know it.
so, finally, the principal calls me in and asks me to sit down, the two security morons on either side of me.
"so, do you know what this is about?"
"well kind of, steve [security moron #1] hinted that its about msdos stuff"
"yes, you see, we have disabled command prompt from these school computers for a reason, so that kids [pauses] cant harm the school's system and somehow, you managed to get into it and did something there..."
"yes?"
"and we feel that this may pose a threat to our system"
"*chuckle*"
"whats so funny?"
"well, you see, two things;
1. command prompt isnt disabled, its hidden in drive C: to which the system doesnt allow access.
2. MSDOS cant do much against xp. all i did was test sending a message to a friend using net send, it worked so i was like sweet!"
"yes and we feel that this can be a threat to us."
"sir, if i wanted to screw up the school system, there are alot easier ways of doing that. and if i wanted to screw it up, i would NOT use my account to do it from"
"hm..."
"see, on windows Xp, you disabled access to drive C:. when i am bored, i screw around... one day, while trying to load objects for lightwave into lightwave, i was forced to find a way to get into drive C:."
"yes...?"*takes notes*
"so, all i did was open lightwave, go file....open....browse... and in the address bar, type "C:". all that did was throw me to "my documents", i found this kind of funny since it should show "drive C: inaccessible" so i hit the "up one level" button and it took me back one level, i hit it a couple more times and Ooo... drive c: bingo! i opened lightwave and objects and i was able to load an object."
"yes? and how does this make you able to open command prompt?"
"same way i opened that i can open command.com... see? go windows/system32/command.com [opens it on hit computer]"
"i see... and how do you do this 'net send'thing?"
"*sigh* [type 'net send maloym test'] see? message arrives saying test"
"i see...."
*scribbles notes*
[i notice security morons leaning to see it too]
****bell rings****
"saved by the bell... can i go catch my bus? you can call me in tomorrow"
"ok, i will call you in around 3rd period"
"ok {[mutter] sheesh...}"
heart pounding, i pick up my backpack and head out the door... i walk by the front desk and notice the secretary staring at me with a dissaproving glance....
-----------to be continued tomorrow after the next debate--------------------
wish me luck, i cant get suspended, im a senior and i need to finish this year...
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MadPyro
Reply #62 Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:18 PM
Reply #62 Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:18 PM
dang. teacher salary here is around 25,000 to 40,000 tops... hehe darn you would think taht they have some money to pay the IT guys...
paxx
Reply #63 Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:24 PM
Reply #63 Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:24 PM
Well, maybe in your school you have mostly a bunch of older teachers with 20 years experience. 
nocoolones
Reply #64 Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:48 PM
Reply #64 Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:48 PM
Yeah, theres some old teachers with alot of experience, but even the 1st year teachers are at around 40,000
Starstuff
Reply #65 Friday, January 14, 2005 12:46 AM
That is because if some little one get hurt, the parents sue the crap out of the school!
Reply #65 Friday, January 14, 2005 12:46 AM
| On a slightly different note I'm really tired of all the "expletive deleted" paranoid security crap at these schools, not so much talking about the computer, but things like THERE ARE GUARDS IN THE SCHOOL!! |
That is because if some little one get hurt, the parents sue the crap out of the school!
MadPyro
Reply #66 Friday, January 14, 2005 12:35 PM
Reply #66 Friday, January 14, 2005 12:35 PM
true but thats life. if anyone gets hurt, then it would be the person who assaulted, it would be his or her fault. not the schools
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #67 Friday, January 14, 2005 1:15 PM
Reply #67 Friday, January 14, 2005 1:15 PM
...wish I still had all the answers like I did when I was a teenager.
47songs
Reply #68 Friday, January 14, 2005 2:02 PM
Reply #68 Friday, January 14, 2005 2:02 PM
SD, that reminds me of a good one I heard recently:
"Quick, hire a teenager while they still know everything!"
"Quick, hire a teenager while they still know everything!"
Duncan2k5
Reply #69 Friday, January 14, 2005 2:19 PM
Reply #69 Friday, January 14, 2005 2:19 PM
Offer to help them fix security holes for money, to create a 'perfect' system. Of course, over here in the UK, the security systems are good, but I've found ways around some problems(). Im sure with a bit more use of the school system Ill be getting to the good files on the system. I had a similar user system on my dads old computer and my brother got past that so easy (dumass program put a link to the program to edit the settings in the start menu of all users! So funny)
They are a little more caultious on the school system tho, but I recon I could get a copy of the protection system and look for loop holes.
Alternativly, I could just get one of my friends in, (You want something broken, hes your man! Owes over £200 (about $350) to the school in damages. mostly 'accidents') and if I could get him on the main school server computer or onto a teachers account then, Bye-Bye system!
Or perhaps I could borrow a disk off my brother that when your computer loads up and loads from a disk, it deletes all the critical system files. it sounds funny.
AND, because all the computers are loaded through a network connection, if I take out one computer, I take them all out.
Ill post to tell people the result of it sometime
). Im sure with a bit more use of the school system Ill be getting to the good files on the system. I had a similar user system on my dads old computer and my brother got past that so easy (dumass program put a link to the program to edit the settings in the start menu of all users! So funny)They are a little more caultious on the school system tho, but I recon I could get a copy of the protection system and look for loop holes.
Alternativly, I could just get one of my friends in, (You want something broken, hes your man! Owes over £200 (about $350) to the school in damages. mostly 'accidents') and if I could get him on the main school server computer or onto a teachers account then, Bye-Bye system!
Or perhaps I could borrow a disk off my brother that when your computer loads up and loads from a disk, it deletes all the critical system files. it sounds funny.
AND, because all the computers are loaded through a network connection, if I take out one computer, I take them all out.
Ill post to tell people the result of it sometime
Essencay
Reply #70 Friday, January 14, 2005 2:46 PM
Reply #70 Friday, January 14, 2005 2:46 PM
What Duncan2k5 proposes is either malicious or wistful teenage boasting, which might work with your school chums, but not here and I really think MadPyro is above all that.
and I really think MadPyro is above all that.
MadPyro
Reply #71 Friday, January 14, 2005 3:07 PM
Reply #71 Friday, January 14, 2005 3:07 PM
lol duncan i suggest you dont do that. if one school goes down. all the rest of em beef up security . dont harm any computers in your experimenting. if you want to do that, test it on your computer before you do it elsewhere.
oh and thanks SNK
duncan i suggest you dont do that. if one school goes down. all the rest of em beef up security . dont harm any computers in your experimenting. if you want to do that, test it on your computer before you do it elsewhere.oh and thanks SNK
Jafo
Reply #74 Friday, January 14, 2005 7:36 PM
Reply #74 Friday, January 14, 2005 7:36 PM
| true but thats life. if anyone gets hurt, then it would be the person who assaulted, it would be his or her fault. not the schools |
Wrong.
Schools, and other institutions have a Duty of Care which makes them culpable.
A parent has a reasonable expectation of protection/safety for their child when inside school grounds....it's what professional indemnity, public liability, etc is all about.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #75 Friday, January 14, 2005 7:44 PM
Reply #75 Friday, January 14, 2005 7:44 PM
If only I was young enough to know everything...
Underdog45
Reply #77 Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:50 AM
Reply #77 Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:50 AM
By looking at words only, I am still a teenager (19). Yes, part of being a teenager is bending the rules a little bit, but knowing which ones to bend is a delicate balance. Something like computer security is really not one that you should go after. With as much hype as it gets in the press and how expensive computer systems are, administrators are likely to be as you experienced: jumpy and overreactive. People are naturally like that concerning anything they don't understand that well or don't have the resources to replace, and schools just don't have enough funding and administrators are not paid enough to be put through scares like that (justified fear or not). The principal definitely does not know as much in the field of computers as you do, but that certainly does not mean the principal is dumb. Your best bet is to let them win this one (knowing when to let others win, or at least think they won, is also a valuable piece of knowledge) and then disappear from the radar. You're down to just your king while the school hasn't lost even lost a pawn yet. Checkmate.
Duncan2k5
Reply #78 Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:56 AM
Considering my school record, the latter is probably more likly. But i still enjoy working with computers and I love to find out how stuff work in them. But thats less trail-and-error, and more error-followed-by-another-error. I've screwed up my computer quite a few times in my last 4 years of being into computing, so ill probably focus more on how to keep a computer working, rather that destroy it.
Reply #78 Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:56 AM
| What Duncan2k5 proposes is either malicious or wistful teenage boasting |
Considering my school record, the latter is probably more likly. But i still enjoy working with computers and I love to find out how stuff work in them. But thats less trail-and-error, and more error-followed-by-another-error. I've screwed up my computer quite a few times in my last 4 years of being into computing, so ill probably focus more on how to keep a computer working, rather that destroy it.
47songs
Reply #79 Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:21 PM
Reply #79 Sunday, January 16, 2005 2:21 PM
Underdog45, for a 19 year old you certainly have a maturity that I never possessed at your age. You're right. Part of being a teenager is to question and to challenge. At the same time, it's also authority's job to question whether the rights of the public are being violated. If we don't question or challenge authority, we remain stagnant as a species. Therefore, society doesn't progress, and we need to continue to learn and progress so that history does not repeat itself. Yes, even in the computer world!
Okay, I may be going a bit overboard here, and I'll get off my (adult)soapbox, but it was just to make a point. Teenagers need adults, and adults need teenagers. We can all learn a thing or two from each other.
Okay, I may be going a bit overboard here, and I'll get off my (adult)soapbox, but it was just to make a point. Teenagers need adults, and adults need teenagers. We can all learn a thing or two from each other.
PurrBall
Reply #80 Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:43 AM
Reply #80 Thursday, January 20, 2005 7:43 AM
Oh, and when I do it, the command prompt is under accessories.... That's weird!
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Reply #61 Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:04 PM