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Sunday, July 18, 2004 by MGiff | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I've got to get away from Internet Explorer but I'm not sure what browser I want. Can any of you tell me my options and what makes them good?
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juni
Reply #42 Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:10 AM
Reply #42 Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:10 AM
Only gripe with Firefox: Why can't it automatically open windows in tabs?
sig101
Reply #43 Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:14 AM
Reply #43 Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:14 AM
Well you've stated the conventional wisdom about the IE/OS integration, tjesterb. I haven't yet played with IEradicator or 98 Lite on my old W98SE system to see what life without IE/OS integration is like on that OS. I guess it wouldn't make that much difference functionally although perhaps a bit safer maybe. Some folks who've done it have told me it's OK. They reinstall IE as a standalone browser since they still like it. I'm not sure if XPLite can accomplish exactly the same thing or not on XP. http://www.litepc.com/
From time to time there are vulnerabilities discovered in the moz/opera browsers, usually the serious ones are addressed fairly quickly. But nothing's perfect. I don't think the phishing exploit in Opera (the second link Essencay posted) has been addressed yet. I briefly browsed the Opera security forum and saw some people arguing that it wasn't a security issue (it sure is when they see it in IE, lol) or was only theoretical (even though there's a proof of concept exploit) and besides was only "moderately critical." One even accused the poster who mentioned it of trolling. Jeez.
For those who aren't familiar with phishing an example is those scam emails that claim to come from PayPal or a bank and you click on a link that leads you to a lookalike site and if you check the address bar it looks real. You might input your info or whatever thinking you're on a legit site and whamo the bad guys have it. So one should not mess with such emails and if there's any question if an email is legit or not, use a previous bookmark or type in the real url to go to the legit site. This is the most common use of phishing exploits, although funky links on websites could do the same.
Anyway, it is a plus that Moz/FF and Opera aren't incorporated into the OS like IE. Kevin McAleavey (developer of BOClean an antitrojan app and other programs) has ranted about the dangers of IE's OS integration for years. He sees how malware works at the system level so I'd guess he'd know what he's talking about. Still some exploits are possible with Moz/Opera although IE remains the main target. Arguably they wouldn't be as bad as IE's with its direct mindmeld with the OS, but any security/privacy compromise ain't good. There's nothing 100% safe as long as a PC is in communication with the outside world in some fashion.
One option/recommendation is to disable scripting including javascript in all browsers to be safer since even js can be a way for malicious script to run. But although one can function reasonably ok on the net without IE's ActiveX, javascript is used so frequently it's sort of difficult to do without completely (even the smilies here use js).
People just have to figure what their needs and comfort levels are vs. the potential risks. And take reasonable precautions. It just P's me off that we have to concern ourselves at all with all this crapola. But mainly I'm lazy so I take precautions so I don't have to deal with cleaning up a PC or reformating, etc.
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From time to time there are vulnerabilities discovered in the moz/opera browsers, usually the serious ones are addressed fairly quickly. But nothing's perfect. I don't think the phishing exploit in Opera (the second link Essencay posted) has been addressed yet. I briefly browsed the Opera security forum and saw some people arguing that it wasn't a security issue (it sure is when they see it in IE, lol) or was only theoretical (even though there's a proof of concept exploit) and besides was only "moderately critical." One even accused the poster who mentioned it of trolling. Jeez.
For those who aren't familiar with phishing an example is those scam emails that claim to come from PayPal or a bank and you click on a link that leads you to a lookalike site and if you check the address bar it looks real. You might input your info or whatever thinking you're on a legit site and whamo the bad guys have it. So one should not mess with such emails and if there's any question if an email is legit or not, use a previous bookmark or type in the real url to go to the legit site. This is the most common use of phishing exploits, although funky links on websites could do the same.
Anyway, it is a plus that Moz/FF and Opera aren't incorporated into the OS like IE. Kevin McAleavey (developer of BOClean an antitrojan app and other programs) has ranted about the dangers of IE's OS integration for years. He sees how malware works at the system level so I'd guess he'd know what he's talking about. Still some exploits are possible with Moz/Opera although IE remains the main target. Arguably they wouldn't be as bad as IE's with its direct mindmeld with the OS, but any security/privacy compromise ain't good. There's nothing 100% safe as long as a PC is in communication with the outside world in some fashion.
One option/recommendation is to disable scripting including javascript in all browsers to be safer since even js can be a way for malicious script to run. But although one can function reasonably ok on the net without IE's ActiveX, javascript is used so frequently it's sort of difficult to do without completely (even the smilies here use js).
People just have to figure what their needs and comfort levels are vs. the potential risks. And take reasonable precautions. It just P's me off that we have to concern ourselves at all with all this crapola. But mainly I'm lazy so I take precautions so I don't have to deal with cleaning up a PC or reformating, etc.
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sig101
Reply #44 Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:20 AM
Reply #44 Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:20 AM
juni: FF is designed to be lean and then additional functionalities can be added via the use of extensions. Rather than having a whole bloated browser with all functions possible loaded, you can set it up the way you want it by adding extensions. See if this helps if I've not misunderstood the issue: http://texturizer.net/firefox/tips.html#beh_reuse
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werewolf
Reply #46 Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:22 PM
Reply #46 Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:22 PM
please forgive the intrusion, but since the discussion is about Firefox, does anyone know how I can fix it so that when I close the last tab, there's nothing left or my blank page is shown? It bothers me that when I close the last tab the existing web page is still showing.
Thanks,
david
Thanks,
david
Hus
Reply #48 Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:44 PM
I hated that too when I first started using Firefox, then by accident I discovered something. If you click on a link with the mouse wheel, it will open that link in a new tab. It was that discovery that has kept me using Firefox.
Reply #48 Wednesday, July 21, 2004 8:44 PM
| Only gripe with Firefox: Why can't it automatically open windows in tabs? |
I hated that too when I first started using Firefox, then by accident I discovered something. If you click on a link with the mouse wheel, it will open that link in a new tab. It was that discovery that has kept me using Firefox.
Orion
Reply #49 Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:29 PM
http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&id=50&vid=53
Reply #49 Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:29 PM
| #42 by juni - 7/20/2004 12:10:55 AM Only gripe with Firefox: Why can't it automatically open windows in tabs? |
| #48 by Scribe Hus - 7/21/2004 8:44:02 PM I hated that too when I first started using Firefox, then by accident I discovered something. If you click on a link with the mouse wheel, it will open that link in a new tab. It was that discovery that has kept me using Firefox. |
http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&id=50&vid=53
tjesterb
Reply #50 Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:18 PM
Reply #50 Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:18 PM
#46 Werewolf, If I understand your question, here is how to have a blank after closing all tabs[though I don't know why you'd want that] Tools>Options>General, in Homepage section set homepage to Blank Hope that helps.
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Firedogs Ron Son Jose
Reply #51 Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:12 PM
Reply #51 Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:12 PM
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Firedogs Ron Son Jose
Reply #52 Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:14 PM
Reply #52 Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:14 PM
This is what the Firedogs believe you will like> http://www.flashpeak.com/
Firedogs Ron Son Jose
Reply #53 Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:15 PM
Reply #53 Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:15 PM
Well, let's try this a 3rd time. The Firedogs recommend flashpeak.
CerebroJD
Reply #56 Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:18 PM
Reply #56 Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:18 PM
Ok....I think we get what yer talkin about....looks cool.
Firedogs Ron Son Jose
Reply #57 Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:20 PM
Reply #57 Thursday, July 22, 2004 5:20 PM
Yeah, it helps if I look on page 3 instead of thinking that it did not post. Well, when you get to 48 then you experience all kinds of things happening with your mind.
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Reply #41 Tuesday, July 20, 2004 12:01 AM
color me gone from this one