SKIN RIP ??
Tuesday, February 17, 2004 by Michael Brandt | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
The WB Skin "Pearlblue" is basically a recolored version of my own "M3 Blueglass" skin. 9 out of 10 elements i have made. And I am mentioned nowhere.
What do u think ???
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Reply #42 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 6:50 PM
Jafo: I have made the elements in my skin by modifying elements from many other skins. But when i say modify, I mean completely modified from scratch, not just colorized. The main reason for this is that the sizes of the bitmaps in other skins are often much better than the default sizes, and as a newbie its an easy way of getting the right sizes !! I can see for sure that ive made these parts, and i am very disappointed at being suspected by you to have stolen these elements ive worked very hard / long to make !! ( As a newbie it takes time ! )
Reply #43 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 6:54 PM
Reply #44 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 6:58 PM
I did not mean to intend THAT YOUR work is a rip. Sorry
Reply #45 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 7:47 PM
HG_E....it took me an hour of my time...but I looked at all the images in both examples, as I am loathe to rush in and 'get it wrong'.
Michael.....the difference here is that I neither accuse , nor do I assert that either work is indeed a 'rip' of another or each other, only that so far I can determine no substantiable conclusion either way and thus would request [as always] that suggestions one way or another are kept from public scrutiny until a reasonable verdict can be established.
'Just' a hypothesis...
Without prior knowledge, who is to say both works did NOT originate from a common source but only one person removed the 'dots' from that image mentioned?
By posing any sort of 'question' in the public forum you'll simply get one or two uninformed opinions which may be erroneous and inflamatory ...not to mention counter productive...
Oops...left out a 'neither'....
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Reply #46 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:04 PM
well... I can't attest to the originality of the M3 skin but clearly the PearlBlue one uses lots of the images from the M3 one... and to answer the question asked earlier, no it's not okay to do that without written permission from the person who's work you are including (and recoloring).
I'd say PearlBlue author needs to get permission from M3 author. PearlBlue file dates are about 10 days later than M3 file dates.
Reply #47 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 9:44 PM
Just my opinion
Reply #48 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:08 PM
"My 2nd skin, inspired by "fivesballs" wonderful Desktop X goodies. Thanks to Bill for the use of his graphics, hope you like it"
Anyone bothered to check that as a source of 'inspiration'?
Come on, guys....exactly how original is a glassy-styled button, blue or not blue?
Unfortunately, dates of compilation and/or submission won't guarantee anything, one way OR another...
Reply #49 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:35 PM
the files are the same.
That's not some ambiguous inspiration issue, the file was taken from here and used there after a slight shift of the saturation and hue sliders. As for who took it from who I assume the guy who says he did it first is probably telling the truth especially since his file dates are earlier than the other guy's. The fivesballs skins were not WBs so they had no buttons, scrollbars, menus etc. which is the parts that got lifted.
I'll gladly stay out of this if you prefer... 
Reply #51 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:41 PM
Yes, Dave...you're very possibly right.....but it's just frustrating having the 'rip' issue in the public forum when there is any degree of 'chance' that the issue is not exactly as reported.
Heaven help us all if a third WB skin turns up that predates both of these and has yet another take on these same buttons.
Email good - Message Board bad....
Reply #52 Wednesday, February 18, 2004 12:06 AM
Reply #53 Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:33 AM
Reply #54 Wednesday, February 18, 2004 1:46 AM
Quite frankly I don't like either so I should be somewhat unbiased.
Reply #55 Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:04 AM
Zoom in so you can se both taskbars and preferably the upper 3-5 pixels, so it has to be really big.
Now take the ' ripped ' skin and edit the hue and saturation. Make sure you get the color of the upper pixels on both taskbars exactly the same. If you did that take the color picker and check all the pixels under it. If they are exactly the same, yeah its a rip. If they aren't, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Reply #56 Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:09 AM
Kinda didn't see the 2nd page.Btw, how can you modify from scratch?
Anyway, never mind it, see it as a compliment that someone WANTED to rip things of you
Reply #57 Wednesday, February 18, 2004 7:06 AM
Firstly i did not make this skin. But i feel like my name is being smashed to the ground here so i must speak up.So i'm pretty upset here , some family site ,you guys are so nice ..After a year here i feel so welcome. NOT.....I feel like an outcast and i thimk that this surely isn't helping.(Talk about counter productive)
The WB skin PearlBlue clearly has borrowed parts re-colored - sorry i didn't zoom and look for the little finger print. HG want to start talking about skins and make it public like this don't just mention it ....mention names be specific!!!
Remove the skin if its a rip....I will say sorry on my behalf of my-self not noticing the situation ....
Stumpy #9 i sure hope wasnt directed at me (Again in general you people are not kind)
Finally i would like to say i'm very upset about this situation feeling pretty bad about it . Rips do not belong on this site , if it is a rip ....Remove it but i did send him a 30 meg folder of those horrible graphics you all seem to love so much. So as far as i can tell 90% is legit.
Again you all have made a great friend today ...Thanks
Reply #58 Wednesday, February 18, 2004 7:21 AM
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Reply #59 Wednesday, February 18, 2004 7:23 AM
fivesballs....you've lost me.
This alleged 'rip' is about 2 WB skins, neither of which is yours.
Your name only enters it as glowdark refers to his skin as 'inspired by fiveballs' work'.
I think you have the wrong end of the stick here...
Reply #60 Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4:05 PM
my opinion that this is a rip still stands. look at the quick launch part of the task bar, the dots are exactly similar, that may not be saying much, but its definitely ripped.
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Reply #41 Tuesday, February 17, 2004 6:48 PM
kona0197 shrugs
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