John Grudger Part 2
Saturday, November 22, 2003 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I have closed the other thread since ChichiGirl's husband was trying to turn it into a totally different topic of "Where's my wife's OD refund" (to which all I can say is I'll ask about it on Monday, I think I along with every admin on this site want to ensure that there is no reason whatsoever for chichigirl or her husband to have to visit this site).
But apparently this author's skins: https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?authorid=222721 are claimed by ChiChigirl too.
I checked my email for emails from Chichi, there are a lot of them over the past number of years, and there was one in Feburary that made a mention of this person's skins.
Apparently there is dispute between John Grudger and ChiChigirl over who has rights on these skins. ChiChiGirl claims to have co-designed them. John Grudger claims to have made them. We don't know, but it is up to the accuser to provide the evidence and as one might not be surprised to hear, we are not favorably disposed to ChiChiGirl given her past behavior to take her at her word.
Jafo - whatever you think is best is okay with me. It's a sticky situation. What apparently sparked it was that John updated his/her skins again and uploaded a bunch of new ones recently which sparked this new episode. If ChiChiGirl can prove she authored the skins then they are hers and those skins should be removed. Though it remains beyond me why someone would want to rip ChiChiGirl's skins.
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Reply #42 Saturday, November 22, 2003 1:07 PM
Email 'retaliation' just makes people less apt to share their contact information. She may have been sincere and the weirdness may have been unintentional, but weird it was. People shouldn't have to worry about leaving comments.
If the stuff was originally uploaded on his account with no qualms from chichigirl, then she released the material into his control. I figure collaborative artwork is an 'asset' and WC doesn't have the right to remove that control when she changes her mind. They should go with whatever the original 'control' decision was until they have some proof that it is invalidated.
She should take it up with the person who she originally allowed to upload it. If there is no recourse for her, then maybe she doesn't have the right to take it down. I dunno what there is beyond that.
I defentaly missed something here...
Reply #45 Saturday, November 22, 2003 2:32 PM
Reply #46 Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:11 PM
People whom happen to wish respect generally understand that you have to earn it and also be able to respect others. Lambasting someone and putting an emotional drain upon them because they hold you as a true friend is no less than feeding upon their discomfort, hurt feelings and confusion over the situation, basically it is no better than being an Emotional Vampire.
Yes people get upset and yes they say things the regret as soon as they pass their lips, or finger tips in this case. But a friend not only refuses to make a habit of such personality traits when dealing with those close to them, they apologize for it when they slip and learn pretty damn fast how to control it.
This is something that kids learn as they gorw into teenage years over a period of time, then a few never learn...
Like I mentioned before "Adult like and in private".
Reply #47 Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:28 PM
Well said.
This incident inspired me to write an article:
https://www.joeuser.com/articlecomments.asp?AID=1434&s=1
Reply #48 Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:45 PM
Reply #49 Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:31 PM
obviously a private matter.
and the thread gets closed.... aaaaaaaaaa
NOW!
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Reply #53 Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:15 PM
Oh wait...I'm ...nevermind
Reply #54 Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:16 PM
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...else you end up with bitter toes (somewhere China has a pic).
Reply #56 Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:24 PM
| 5. Frogboy, You keep saying > Your missing the main issue - collaborations............. your wrong again, I helped 50-50 in making those skins and many more, I made "graphics", my "ideas", I did ALL the coloring, I did "coding in the USI files".......... so Please if your going to make any statements get them straight! |
she is attempting to argue, without irony, that two people, each doing 50% of the effort is not a collaboration.
Reply #57 Saturday, November 22, 2003 11:28 PM
anyways...I hope she finds some peace in her life.
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Reply #41 Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:33 PM
Doreen - I hope you remember that next time you read on SKinbase another extremely nasty post by ChiChiGirl that attacks me personally multiple times even though I'm not even involved on the issue nor was I ever involved on this issue. So you'll have to excuse me if I don't have a lot of sympathy for someone as narcisistic as ChiChi. Similarly, you'll have to forgive me if I don't find people who turn a blind eye to her flammage convincing.