Pledge of Allegiance Case
Tuesday, November 4, 2003 by Z06Leonhart | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
The U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to decide whether the Pledge of Allegiance - with its phrase "one nation, under God" - is something students should be allowed to say in public schools.
A federal appeals court in San Francisco shocked many Americans when it ruled on June 26, 2002, that the words "under God" render the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional.... http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200310\NAT20031014d.html
I think a lot people know about this case. It has been a while but now the Supreme Court have decided to hear the case. My class will have a debate on this next week. I just want to know what the adult think about this case.
A federal appeals court in San Francisco shocked many Americans when it ruled on June 26, 2002, that the words "under God" render the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional.... http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200310\NAT20031014d.html
I think a lot people know about this case. It has been a while but now the Supreme Court have decided to hear the case. My class will have a debate on this next week. I just want to know what the adult think about this case.
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IPlural
Reply #2 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 1:33 AM
Reply #2 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 1:33 AM
I totally agree, the added text "under god" should be removed so the origional text is as it was written.
Ryan1598
Reply #3 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 1:48 AM
Reply #3 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 1:48 AM
I graduated high school a year and a half ago and I can't remember the pledge of allegience for the life of me... It's not like it was a huge deal to say it or not... I was probably too busy with stuff that is actually important in day to day life, rather than being repetitive with something that young people my age could care less of what it means. 
I'm not saying I'm ungreatful for being able to live in this awesome country, but a pledge is a pledge. You only need to say it once
I'm not saying I'm ungreatful for being able to live in this awesome country, but a pledge is a pledge. You only need to say it once
XX
Reply #4 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 3:35 AM
You sure it was added? I don't recall any alterations.
Reply #4 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 3:35 AM
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You sure it was added? I don't recall any alterations.
bordfryr
Reply #5 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 4:49 AM
Reply #5 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 4:49 AM
Yes, it was added. Sometime in the fifties I think. 
yrag
Reply #6 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 4:51 AM
Reply #6 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 4:51 AM
In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge
paxx
Reply #7 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 11:20 AM
Reply #7 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 11:20 AM
I must admit that the whole concept of the pledge of allegiance, as a non-American, is really strange to me. I was extremely surprised when I recently learned of its existance.
It's something you have to say every day at the beggining of the day, right?
Is it just me, or does it really sound like propaganda? I mean, I know dictators in Third World and Communist countries use this method to force their idea of patriotism into the kids minds... but in the US? Doesn't it sound like brain washing to anybody but me?
Please don't misunderstand me here. I think the US is a great country that you guys should be proud of, it's just this brain washing practice I find really strange for a democratic country.
XX
Reply #9 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 11:24 AM
Reply #9 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 11:24 AM
Sometimes something doesn't make sense, but kept because of tradition.
Of course, I'll be proud to call myself un-american if United States becomes Imperial United States.
Of course, I'll be proud to call myself un-american if United States becomes Imperial United States.
_footsie_
Reply #11 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:04 PM
Reply #11 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:04 PM
I think it should be up to the students that are reciting it to include them if they choose...isn't forcing someone NOT to say or do something that harms no one the same as forcing someone to DO or say something that does? 
Doreen
Reply #12 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:21 PM
Reply #12 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:21 PM
??? but why would they do this? because the words "Under God" are so threatening? if they do this then why not go further and stop making ppl in court place their hand upon a Bible and "swear to tell the truth and nothing but the whole truth so help me God"
anyways, what about the ppl in court that have no faith in God do they get to lie or what? hehe
sooo silly all of it...
anyways, what about the ppl in court that have no faith in God do they get to lie or what? hehe
sooo silly all of it...
paxx
Reply #13 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:24 PM
Reply #13 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:24 PM
In US court, you must swear on the Bible?
Here, you have the choice of swearing on the Bible or making a solemn oath with your hand in the air.
Here, you have the choice of swearing on the Bible or making a solemn oath with your hand in the air.
bakerstreet
Reply #14 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:25 PM
Reply #14 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:25 PM
There are religious groups that refuse to say the pledge, and the non-religious have the same right. The pledge is optional, so I assume the 'under god' part is optional as well. If you chose to omit those two words I doubt anyone would reprimand you.The guy who originated this suit feels that his daughter is wronged even if she opts not to say it, though.
That goes a bit further. I'm not in favor of 'God' being on anything governmentally sponsored, but I also don't like the idea of kids being told they are no longer allowed to say 'under God', because then it appears that the government *discourages* religious language.
I think you should be able to say whatever you want as long as it falls in the legal description of free speech. If I had to agree with anyone here so far, it would probably be Paxx
That goes a bit further. I'm not in favor of 'God' being on anything governmentally sponsored, but I also don't like the idea of kids being told they are no longer allowed to say 'under God', because then it appears that the government *discourages* religious language.
I think you should be able to say whatever you want as long as it falls in the legal description of free speech. If I had to agree with anyone here so far, it would probably be Paxx
Doreen
Reply #15 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:30 PM
Reply #15 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:30 PM
yes I agree too you should have a choice...
I did not know you had the choice in court, maybe I watched it too much on TV but I always seen ppl in court have to place their hands upon a Bible and swear to tell the truth hehe
I thought welllll that sure lets the ppl off the hook that don't believe in God...
I did not know you had the choice in court, maybe I watched it too much on TV but I always seen ppl in court have to place their hands upon a Bible and swear to tell the truth hehe
I thought welllll that sure lets the ppl off the hook that don't believe in God...
IPlural
Reply #16 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:30 PM
How do you figure?
Change the Pledge back to the real wording and the issue is gone. period...
Everything else is nothing more than manuvering for or against religion in public schools and the seperation of church and state.
The origional pledge didn't have a thing to do with a specific display of religious beliefs. It was edited to do that.
Use the ogirional of the origional Pledge as it was created and accepted removes that political fire cracker from the issue of the Pledge.
Then those for or against can push their position on if Public Schools should be Christian Schools or not...
Otherwise, for those who push for the changes to stay are only making use of the Pledge as a tool to inject religion into Public Schools.
The odd thing is there are Bible Study clubs and such in public schools already, though I have yet to hear of one for Satanic Religions and or other Pagan Religions, odd huh?
Remove the changes, and it would be accepted hands down I am betting.
Reply #16 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:30 PM
How do you figure?
Change the Pledge back to the real wording and the issue is gone. period...
Everything else is nothing more than manuvering for or against religion in public schools and the seperation of church and state.
The origional pledge didn't have a thing to do with a specific display of religious beliefs. It was edited to do that.
Use the ogirional of the origional Pledge as it was created and accepted removes that political fire cracker from the issue of the Pledge.
Then those for or against can push their position on if Public Schools should be Christian Schools or not...
Otherwise, for those who push for the changes to stay are only making use of the Pledge as a tool to inject religion into Public Schools.
The odd thing is there are Bible Study clubs and such in public schools already, though I have yet to hear of one for Satanic Religions and or other Pagan Religions, odd huh?
Remove the changes, and it would be accepted hands down I am betting.
IPlural
Reply #17 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:32 PM
Reply #17 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:32 PM
you do not have to put your hand on the bible or say anything you do not want in US courts...
Z06Leonhart
Reply #19 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:44 PM
Reply #19 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:44 PM
And what about the "In God We Trust" in the US money. Well 90% of the population want it in there only 8% against it and 2% undicided. So I guess the 10% minority is not important 
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craeonics
Reply #20 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:45 PM
Reply #20 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 2:45 PM
craeonics goes play the ignorant foreigner
Pledge? What the? Every day? Why? What's the point?
Pledge? What the? Every day? Why? What's the point?
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Reply #1 Tuesday, November 4, 2003 12:50 AM