Censorship Vs free expression
Sunday, September 28, 2003 by Jafo | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
On a publicly accessible 'Family' website, what are YOUR thoughts regarding the line beyond which no-one should cross?
What is considered 'inappropriate' to you?
And why?
Needless to say, this is not the forum for boundary crossing but an open discussion on where lines really SHOULD be drawn.
I will be at pains to stress that at no time is there a 'double standard' being applied and to suggest such is insulting to the reputation/s and moral conduct of the moderators here.
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WOM
Reply #2 Sunday, September 28, 2003 7:55 PM
Reply #2 Sunday, September 28, 2003 7:55 PM
I think people should remember that there are youngins that use this site and keep the language clean. If they have to cuss then they should find somewhere else to post to. Just my thoughts. 
Apocalypse_67
Reply #3 Sunday, September 28, 2003 7:55 PM
Reply #3 Sunday, September 28, 2003 7:55 PM
In 'family' based or oriented environment, whether it is in the net or any other place people should be considerate in how they express themselves, vulgarism it's not always funny.
Respect its fundamental, especially in an internet community where there are thousands of people with different backgrounds and from all sorts of different cultures, what might sound good to some, may sound awful to others.
A good rule to follow would be. Treat others as you'll want others to treat you.
Respect its fundamental, especially in an internet community where there are thousands of people with different backgrounds and from all sorts of different cultures, what might sound good to some, may sound awful to others.
A good rule to follow would be. Treat others as you'll want others to treat you.
hashonboat
Reply #4 Sunday, September 28, 2003 7:59 PM
Reply #4 Sunday, September 28, 2003 7:59 PM
#3 by IPlural - 9/23/2003 2:49:48 PM
Seiphon, this is a family web site and message board
#6 by Admin Jafo - 9/23/2003 3:31:30 PM
Seiphon....you may consider flaming the Gator PR people as 'sport', however here we are far less tolerant, as we need to maintain the decorum of a family site.
I am neither a prude nor a crusader or religious pugilist. I do not throw tantrums at every veiled sexual inuendo or expletive.
With that said, I do find it inappropriate for young 13 & 14 yr olds (of which there are many here) to be exposed to blatant sexual remarks or George Carlin's 7 words you can't say on TV.
I do not find that to be something I would be saying during a "Family" discussion.
Seiphon, this is a family web site and message board
#6 by Admin Jafo - 9/23/2003 3:31:30 PM
Seiphon....you may consider flaming the Gator PR people as 'sport', however here we are far less tolerant, as we need to maintain the decorum of a family site.
I am neither a prude nor a crusader or religious pugilist. I do not throw tantrums at every veiled sexual inuendo or expletive.
With that said, I do find it inappropriate for young 13 & 14 yr olds (of which there are many here) to be exposed to blatant sexual remarks or George Carlin's 7 words you can't say on TV.
I do not find that to be something I would be saying during a "Family" discussion.
yrag
Reply #5 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:04 PM
What's say we keep the dart throwing out of this 'discussion'?
Reply #5 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:04 PM
| #4 by hashonboat - 9/28/2003 7:59:31 PM #3 by IPlural - 9/23/2003 2:49:48 PM Seiphon, this is a family web site and message board #6 by Admin Jafo - 9/23/2003 3:31:30 PM Seiphon....you may consider flaming the Gator PR people as 'sport', however here we are far less tolerant, as we need to maintain the decorum of a family site. |
What's say we keep the dart throwing out of this 'discussion'?
Orion
Reply #6 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:09 PM
Yeah, you could put an eye out.
I for one do appreciate a forum not loaded with a bunch of 4, 5, and 6 letter words.
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Reply #6 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:09 PM
| What's say we keep the dart throwing out of this 'discussion'? |
Yeah, you could put an eye out.
I for one do appreciate a forum not loaded with a bunch of 4, 5, and 6 letter words.
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kona0197
Reply #8 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:27 PM
Reply #8 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:27 PM
I don't know what to say on this subject. I feel there is a double standard sometimes the people that have been here a long time get away with some stuff but I have realized after a look back that this is not true. I was not offended by the joke in the other thread. I see no harm in it. And the joke was about me!
hashonboat
Reply #9 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:30 PM
Merely backing up my words that this is reported to be a family site. No "dart throwing" intended (whatever that means)
Reply #9 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:30 PM
| What's say we keep the dart throwing out of this 'discussion'? |
Merely backing up my words that this is reported to be a family site. No "dart throwing" intended (whatever that means)
SuperheroCanadian
Reply #10 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:34 PM
Reply #10 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:34 PM
i support free speech to a point, there are times when it completely crosses the lines. People often dont think how others will respond to there opinion before voicing it, if people only thought about this before they post, this board will be a much better place. But i doubt that flamers and trolls will learn this... well thats why they are flamers and trolls isnt it
kona0197
Reply #11 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:36 PM
I am very guilty of this. I often type before I think. I am tring to do better.
Reply #11 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:36 PM
| People often dont think how others will respond to there opinion before voicing it, if people only thought about this before they post, this board will be a much better place. |
I am very guilty of this. I often type before I think. I am tring to do better.
Stockholm Syndrome
Reply #12 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:40 PM
Reply #12 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:40 PM
I just to treat peeps in the forums like I would like to be treated. 
Although I curse more than I should in real life, it's easy to compose my posts here without using unneeded curses and vulgarity that may not be appreciated by all readers, regardless of age.
However as I said in the other thread, I'm not walking on eggshells here to protect children. Heck most teens I know online curse more than I do. If they're so young that they'll be "harmed" by seeing the word "penis", they are too young to be online without supervision. Someone mentioned 13 and 14 year olds being here.....a 13 year old shouldn't even be here, should they, unless COPPA doesn't apply?
That being said, I think the mods/admins do a good job here of setting the standard for whats "over the line".
Although I curse more than I should in real life, it's easy to compose my posts here without using unneeded curses and vulgarity that may not be appreciated by all readers, regardless of age. However as I said in the other thread, I'm not walking on eggshells here to protect children. Heck most teens I know online curse more than I do. If they're so young that they'll be "harmed" by seeing the word "penis", they are too young to be online without supervision. Someone mentioned 13 and 14 year olds being here.....a 13 year old shouldn't even be here, should they, unless COPPA doesn't apply?
That being said, I think the mods/admins do a good job here of setting the standard for whats "over the line".
Doreen
Reply #13 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:42 PM
Reply #13 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:42 PM
listen to China up there... hehe
hmmm good question but doubt anyone of us has a good answer since the fun & joy of msg boards is the "not" knowing much of anything and not controlling too much?
if you guys sweep to fast you interupt ppl being ppl and getting to know each other and if you sweep too late sometimes ppl get their feelings hurt and leave before sticking around long enough to know or grow w/ the crowd.
Jafo it's all just a "judgement guess" on behalf of the moderators...
hmmm good question but doubt anyone of us has a good answer since the fun & joy of msg boards is the "not" knowing much of anything and not controlling too much?
if you guys sweep to fast you interupt ppl being ppl and getting to know each other and if you sweep too late sometimes ppl get their feelings hurt and leave before sticking around long enough to know or grow w/ the crowd.
Jafo it's all just a "judgement guess" on behalf of the moderators...
Tech-Cat
Reply #14 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:42 PM
Reply #14 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:42 PM
As a family site I feel that cussing and personal attacks do not belong here. To be fair to everyone, everyone should feel free to express their opinions as long as they do not cross the line by resorting to cussing and personal attacks.
Tech-Cat
Reply #15 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:49 PM
I agree that children should not be on the internet. If I ever have kids, I would never let them surf the internet without my supervision. I think it is nice that this site and others decide to be as family freindly as possible. If I had kids, I would appreciate having safe sites for them to visit.
Reply #15 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:49 PM
| However as I said in the other thread, I'm not walking on eggshells here to protect children. Heck most teens I know online curse more than I do. If they're so young that they'll be "harmed" by seeing the word "penis", they are too young to be online without supervision. Someone mentioned 13 and 14 year olds being here.....a 13 year old shouldn't even be here, should they, unless COPPA doesn't apply? |
I agree that children should not be on the internet. If I ever have kids, I would never let them surf the internet without my supervision. I think it is nice that this site and others decide to be as family freindly as possible. If I had kids, I would appreciate having safe sites for them to visit.
Stockholm Syndrome
Reply #16 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:56 PM
Reply #16 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:56 PM
Yeah I don't have kids but I have a little neice aged 6. I know she gets on the computer for games, but man I hope she isn't given internet access for a long time. 
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You're right though, they still deserve some safe sites to visit, no reason we can't be one of them.
> You're right though, they still deserve some safe sites to visit, no reason we can't be one of them.
yrag
Reply #17 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:58 PM
hasonboat- this is a discussion on opinions..your own opinions...and not using others' mutterings to defend yours.(don't have a clue why anyone would even think they have to defend their opinion) You stated yours fine in your first post except for the inference to others. I just don't think, for the purposes of a discussion, that we should interject 'he said, she said' to achieve those ends...thus the dart throwing.
Reply #17 Sunday, September 28, 2003 8:58 PM
| 9 by hashonboat - 9/28/2003 8:30:01 PM What's say we keep the dart throwing out of this 'discussion'?Merely backing up my words that this is reported to be a family site. No "dart throwing" intended (whatever that means) |
hasonboat- this is a discussion on opinions..your own opinions...and not using others' mutterings to defend yours.(don't have a clue why anyone would even think they have to defend their opinion) You stated yours fine in your first post except for the inference to others. I just don't think, for the purposes of a discussion, that we should interject 'he said, she said' to achieve those ends...thus the dart throwing.
EventHorizon
Reply #18 Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:22 PM
Reply #18 Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:22 PM
Those who cannot express their feelings without using cusswords need to work on their vocabulary.
Satans Child
Reply #19 Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:29 PM
Reply #19 Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:29 PM
I am against censoeship in any form!!! True reading or hearing swear words may/is not be for children but welcome to the real world. I have a four year old and one on the way, I don't have a great deal of parenting skills nor do I have any great reference to learn from but I do have a great belief in myself that I can teach my children right from wrong and provide them with the skills necessary to survive in life. Sheltering children doesn't prepare them for the "real" world IMHO and will just hinder them when they need to go out on their own. Now I'm not saying you shouldn't try to protect children from harm but there is a limit IMO as to what is "harmful". As far as language goes there really isn't much you or anyone can do about it. What do you think they are hearing in school, or on the playground from their friends, seeing and hearing in movies and even in cartoons. No place is safe from everything and if you think it is you are sadly misguided. I would rather have my children hear me slip out a curse word and then tell them it's a "caca" word and know that it's not nice than to hear it from their "friends" then go around cursing out everyone they come across because they never learned right from wrong.
As far as adults go, I say grow up!!! Life isn't the bowl of cherries or peaches you were promised by whomever promised it to you. The world isn't a nice place nor are a majority of the people that live on it. I just can't stand some self righteous SOB trying to tell me I'm wrong because they have a different belief system or a view of the world that exists only in their thick grey matter. Anyway ....
... thats all I have to say about that.
As far as adults go, I say grow up!!! Life isn't the bowl of cherries or peaches you were promised by whomever promised it to you. The world isn't a nice place nor are a majority of the people that live on it. I just can't stand some self righteous SOB trying to tell me I'm wrong because they have a different belief system or a view of the world that exists only in their thick grey matter. Anyway ....
... thats all I have to say about that.
The DJ
Reply #20 Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:42 PM
Reply #20 Sunday, September 28, 2003 9:42 PM
Satans Child, there is an certain atmosphere here that the admins/moderators hold in high regard. And they do a great job to preserve it.
It's a mature atmosphere. Don't hold your tongue with your thoughts, but come correct and responsible with it. If thats too difficult for someone, then this isn't the place for them.
Ya feel me?
It's a mature atmosphere. Don't hold your tongue with your thoughts, but come correct and responsible with it. If thats too difficult for someone, then this isn't the place for them.
Ya feel me?
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Reply #1 Sunday, September 28, 2003 7:50 PM
yrag thinks Jafo will have his work cut out for him on this one
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