What's you longest PC uptime?
Sunday, September 21, 2003 by El Californio | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Microsoft OS PC only. Mine's about three days.
And did you need to reboot or did you just shutdown?
And did you need to reboot or did you just shutdown?
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Orion
Reply #42 Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:38 PM
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one…
Rationalize it away however you wish. I’ll put my 15 years of “ill-informed” systems, network, and security administration employment experience and the 10 years of non-pro experience prior to that up against your misplaced trust any day. You stated you have 25 users...need I say more?
If someone is an “admin” and they don’t patch, no mater what the OS, then they’re not doing their job…period.
I guess there’s no big deal in this case though. In the situation/environment you describe you, and probably your users, are the only ones that will be inconvenienced by the fact you didn’t do what you should have done to begin with. Sincerely, best of luck to you.
Now if I can only remember who it was that said: “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure…”
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Reply #42 Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:38 PM
| There is really no excuse for ill-informed comments like yours. |
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one…
Rationalize it away however you wish. I’ll put my 15 years of “ill-informed” systems, network, and security administration employment experience and the 10 years of non-pro experience prior to that up against your misplaced trust any day. You stated you have 25 users...need I say more?
If someone is an “admin” and they don’t patch, no mater what the OS, then they’re not doing their job…period. I guess there’s no big deal in this case though. In the situation/environment you describe you, and probably your users, are the only ones that will be inconvenienced by the fact you didn’t do what you should have done to begin with. Sincerely, best of luck to you.
Now if I can only remember who it was that said: “An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure…”
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Doomgaze
Reply #43 Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:31 AM
Reply #43 Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:31 AM
Leo Laporte is a tool that knows nothing about computers and just reads from a script...
approx 173 days (this past winter... barely used my machine but left it on/connected) winxp
and well over 365 days on my 2k fileserver in the basement now (god bless battery backups)
approx 173 days (this past winter... barely used my machine but left it on/connected) winxp
and well over 365 days on my 2k fileserver in the basement now (god bless battery backups)
Raithe
Reply #45 Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:59 PM
Reply #45 Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:59 PM
In truth I can honestly say that I have never kept any computer I have ever owned on longer than a week. As for warm boots, I consider it absolutely neccessary to do so at least every 24 hours. I don't care what machine you have, leaving a computer on without a warm boot every so often only leads to diminished fuctionality, and forget those scripts that say they can make you system feel like they have gotten a fresh boot. The truth is there is no substitute for the real thing. These are only my preferences; however, I can say that computers do benefit from being on for extended periods of time, monitors even more so. The fact is that every time we turn electronic products on we are shocking their systems. This causes ware on the circuitry and eventually leads to some failure, but since computers are constantly being replaced for better systems many of us will never see such a failure occur in one.
As for RAM - this has always been an issue. Many can often agree on a range but none can be specific. One thing which is absolutely a crock is the supposed "memory overkill". While this may be true for the average user who purchases his or her computer just to go on the internet, write documents, or even to use in a office setting, this is not so for someone who uses a work-horse machine. These are typically serious gamers, graphic oriented designers, and filming artists. Some of these machines can have 2gigs of RAM and still seem lacking! Microsoft says that XP requires a minimum of 128megs of RAM but look at the wording its "MINIMUM". In truth, if you plan to run XP at all you should start off with 256megs of RAM. Personally I beleive that a well rounded XP machine should have 512megs and a poweruser should have at MINIMUM 1gig of RAM, but again this is only my opinion.
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As for RAM - this has always been an issue. Many can often agree on a range but none can be specific. One thing which is absolutely a crock is the supposed "memory overkill". While this may be true for the average user who purchases his or her computer just to go on the internet, write documents, or even to use in a office setting, this is not so for someone who uses a work-horse machine. These are typically serious gamers, graphic oriented designers, and filming artists. Some of these machines can have 2gigs of RAM and still seem lacking! Microsoft says that XP requires a minimum of 128megs of RAM but look at the wording its "MINIMUM". In truth, if you plan to run XP at all you should start off with 256megs of RAM. Personally I beleive that a well rounded XP machine should have 512megs and a poweruser should have at MINIMUM 1gig of RAM, but again this is only my opinion.
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Tech-Cat
Reply #46 Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:20 PM
Reply #46 Thursday, September 25, 2003 6:20 PM
Since computers can get damaged from shocked caused by turning them on and off and that a running computer uses electricity which costs money, what is the best way to use your computer? Is it better to leave it on all the time, leave it on all the time and reboot once a day, run the PC during the day and keep it turned off over night,or only have your computer on when you are using it?
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Reply #47 Thursday, September 25, 2003 7:35 PM
Reply #47 Thursday, September 25, 2003 7:35 PM
I usually just leave em on. My laptop I always set it to hiberate however.
Orion
Reply #48 Friday, September 26, 2003 5:31 AM
The best way to use it is however you wish. IMO it’s BS about damaging your system by turning it on. Over the last 25 years, I’ve seen just as many systems fail when they’re left on all the time as the ones that are turned-off every day. From what I’ve seen, there is absolutely no correlation between system failure and daily power-downs. – IF – there is any truth whatsoever to it not being good for you to actually turn your computer on to use it, your system should be in a museum next to the abacus before you see any effects from this so-called power-on damage.
FWIW, my desktop system at home gets powered down before bed every night…then powered up before I leave for work in the morning (so I can remote home). My server at home (RH 9.0) stays on all the time. My wife and kids systems get powered-down at night too. All my systems at work stay on, but reboot for patches. About 85% of 1500 or so user systems at work get powered-down every day.
Hope this answers your question.
Reply #48 Friday, September 26, 2003 5:31 AM
| Is it better to leave it on all the time, leave it on all the time and reboot once a day, run the PC during the day and keep it turned off over night,or only have your computer on when you are using it? |
The best way to use it is however you wish. IMO it’s BS about damaging your system by turning it on. Over the last 25 years, I’ve seen just as many systems fail when they’re left on all the time as the ones that are turned-off every day. From what I’ve seen, there is absolutely no correlation between system failure and daily power-downs. – IF – there is any truth whatsoever to it not being good for you to actually turn your computer on to use it, your system should be in a museum next to the abacus before you see any effects from this so-called power-on damage.
FWIW, my desktop system at home gets powered down before bed every night…then powered up before I leave for work in the morning (so I can remote home). My server at home (RH 9.0) stays on all the time. My wife and kids systems get powered-down at night too. All my systems at work stay on, but reboot for patches. About 85% of 1500 or so user systems at work get powered-down every day.
Hope this answers your question.
Stumpy
Reply #49 Friday, September 26, 2003 6:10 AM
Reply #49 Friday, September 26, 2003 6:10 AM
Well, Alan Turin switched mine on and I never bothered too turn it off
windKnot
Reply #50 Friday, September 26, 2003 6:25 AM
Reply #50 Friday, September 26, 2003 6:25 AM
I guess I don't understand... Maybe someone can tell me the secret to updating Object Desktop, Microsoft Security Updates etc. and not having to reboot. I'd love to leave my computer on all the time. Please explain how to DL security updates without a rebot.
Orion
Reply #51 Friday, September 26, 2003 8:35 AM
There is no secret because it's not possible. EVERY Microsoft security patch that I can remember over the last several years requires a reboot.
I'm curious...why would you love to leave your computer on all the time?
Reply #51 Friday, September 26, 2003 8:35 AM
| I guess I don't understand... Maybe someone can tell me the secret to updating Object Desktop, Microsoft Security Updates etc. and not having to reboot. I'd love to leave my computer on all the time. Please explain how to DL security updates without a rebot. |
There is no secret because it's not possible. EVERY Microsoft security patch that I can remember over the last several years requires a reboot.
I'm curious...why would you love to leave your computer on all the time?
windKnot
Reply #52 Friday, September 26, 2003 9:18 AM
Reply #52 Friday, September 26, 2003 9:18 AM
#51 I know you can't DL the updates with out a reboot....
I was just curious in seeing possible answers as they pertain to security issues.
And no.. I don't leave my computer on.... It's shut down every night, If it puts additional strain on it so be it. Perhaps my sarcasm evades you.
I was just curious in seeing possible answers as they pertain to security issues.
And no.. I don't leave my computer on.... It's shut down every night, If it puts additional strain on it so be it. Perhaps my sarcasm evades you.
KarmaGirl
Reply #54 Friday, September 26, 2003 9:55 AM
Reply #54 Friday, September 26, 2003 9:55 AM
I don't remember the last time I rebooted my home machine (On XP home). The last time I know for sure was when we had that huge electric outage. When I typically reboot is when I updated something or I did something stupid and needed to reboot.
Raithe
Reply #56 Friday, September 26, 2003 3:42 PM
Reply #56 Friday, September 26, 2003 3:42 PM
I never ment for it to be understood that turning a computer on damages it. I was referring to system shock and its relation to circuitry tolerance. A similar way of looking at it would be comparing it to speakers - speakers give you an amp rating and a true RMS rating - the amp rating tells you what the speaker can take for a moment while the true RMS rating tells you what the speaker can take for a continuous length of time. So how does this relate - if you have a computer with a circuit, that for whatever reason was manufactored weak but still passed, then it is more likely to fail if you turn your computer on and off excessively, not that it will fail. And so that is what I was trying to convey. As for my belief as to what proceedure should be followed, I do believe as Orion had to say, it is just a matter of what you feel is appropriate. But when businesses ask for my technical expertise on the matter I usually suggest that they leave the computer on Mon thru Fri and do a warm boot in the morning.
Jafo
Reply #57 Friday, September 26, 2003 4:21 PM
Reply #57 Friday, September 26, 2003 4:21 PM
Heat cycling of circuits will add to the potential fail rate.....and fretting of blade contacts.....ever wondered why ram banks have clips on them?....
IPlural
Reply #58 Saturday, September 27, 2003 7:40 AM
Reply #58 Saturday, September 27, 2003 7:40 AM
MTBF Mean Time Between Failures
excerpt from Saegate data (pdf)
" The production disc drive achieves an MTBF of 1,200,000 hours when operated in an environment that ensures the case temperatures specified in Section 6."
1,200,000 hours is the life expectancy of this paticular hard drive run under optimal installation and considtions.
some feel that shutting a drive down and then spinning it up actually reduces the MTBF because of mechanic wear and tear...
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security patches and patches in general should be looked over and a choice should be made to apply it. Microsoft and others release security patches that end up putting more holes in the software than the point it was at when they told you they had something to patch...
Blaster for instance, they came out with patch and created a new hole...
SQL Server, they created critical security patches to cure one security hole that in the end added 3 even more serious security holes...
anyone who just lets MS Update run then apply automatic updates will, *will* learn at some point in time that you should be selective and *you* should make the choice of what you wish installed on your system(s)...
excerpt from Saegate data (pdf)
" The production disc drive achieves an MTBF of 1,200,000 hours when operated in an environment that ensures the case temperatures specified in Section 6."
1,200,000 hours is the life expectancy of this paticular hard drive run under optimal installation and considtions.
some feel that shutting a drive down and then spinning it up actually reduces the MTBF because of mechanic wear and tear...
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security patches and patches in general should be looked over and a choice should be made to apply it. Microsoft and others release security patches that end up putting more holes in the software than the point it was at when they told you they had something to patch...
Blaster for instance, they came out with patch and created a new hole...
SQL Server, they created critical security patches to cure one security hole that in the end added 3 even more serious security holes...
anyone who just lets MS Update run then apply automatic updates will, *will* learn at some point in time that you should be selective and *you* should make the choice of what you wish installed on your system(s)...
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Reply #41 Wednesday, September 24, 2003 2:45 PM
The ultimate protection for dedicated use machines is no exposure at all. You can't infect what you can’t touch.