Disappointed
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 by MadIce | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I am on IRC a lot and see different skinners. Often I am lucky to see a preview of the work they make. With me there are more people. GreenReaper, Voo, pjpowel, Adam, DaWebMassa, Snowman, Hippy, MikeB314 and may others. The fun part is that sometimes you can be involved on a skin, but in this case I was not. But I know some of the others helped.
Today I was shocked by ratings that I saw. A skin suite by Starone that was not your middle of the road skin, but showed creativity. These days creativity is almost a bad word. In these days you see more and more middle of the road skins. A lot of skins are starting to look like others. So, when someone comes with something new you'll see the skin is rated by fools that probably never made a skin in their entire life and don't have any clue how much work is involved.
It looks like the rating system is going to change and that probably Journeymen and higher can vote. This looks like a very good idea, because we can have a system in which skinners are rating skinners.
Of course a skinner skins for fun, but this suite was 2 months work. It was truely creative. And some of the pieces were rated a 4 while they should be rated a 9 or so.
I do rate skins. I have rated hundreds of WB skins and sometimes DXPlayer objects, because this is what I am good in. Today I have taken the liberty that I have to rate skins that I normally would not rate. There was a little anger when I did this.
I don't want to bring Starone into trouble and I don't want to become a whiner, but I was really disappointed today...
Keep on skinning Starone!
Today I was shocked by ratings that I saw. A skin suite by Starone that was not your middle of the road skin, but showed creativity. These days creativity is almost a bad word. In these days you see more and more middle of the road skins. A lot of skins are starting to look like others. So, when someone comes with something new you'll see the skin is rated by fools that probably never made a skin in their entire life and don't have any clue how much work is involved.
It looks like the rating system is going to change and that probably Journeymen and higher can vote. This looks like a very good idea, because we can have a system in which skinners are rating skinners.
Of course a skinner skins for fun, but this suite was 2 months work. It was truely creative. And some of the pieces were rated a 4 while they should be rated a 9 or so.
I do rate skins. I have rated hundreds of WB skins and sometimes DXPlayer objects, because this is what I am good in. Today I have taken the liberty that I have to rate skins that I normally would not rate. There was a little anger when I did this.
I don't want to bring Starone into trouble and I don't want to become a whiner, but I was really disappointed today...
Keep on skinning Starone!
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aufisch
Reply #42 Sunday, August 3, 2003 3:44 PM
Reply #42 Sunday, August 3, 2003 3:44 PM
Hmmm, just a few thoughts:
Isn't it a truly subjective thing wether you like a skin or not and therefore think it is worth a 5 or 8 or whatever?
Are the people who rate obliged to give good ratings just because the skin was made by someone well known? (please don't get me wrong here; I love Starone's work and this has nothing to do with what I personally think about her and her work)
If only journeyman and above can rate and someone gets a bad rating; will everyone start to bash the journeymen?
Fact is: even if your skin is an excellent one, there are always people who do not like it for various reasons. Linking the rating system to compulsory comments (as mentioned on another thread) would at least give the artist an idea which part of it might need improvement. And if someone leaves just a "I just don't like it, full stop" comment with a very bad rating; that is something that could be easily picked up by the admins.
Isn't it a truly subjective thing wether you like a skin or not and therefore think it is worth a 5 or 8 or whatever?
Are the people who rate obliged to give good ratings just because the skin was made by someone well known? (please don't get me wrong here; I love Starone's work and this has nothing to do with what I personally think about her and her work)
If only journeyman and above can rate and someone gets a bad rating; will everyone start to bash the journeymen?
Fact is: even if your skin is an excellent one, there are always people who do not like it for various reasons. Linking the rating system to compulsory comments (as mentioned on another thread) would at least give the artist an idea which part of it might need improvement. And if someone leaves just a "I just don't like it, full stop" comment with a very bad rating; that is something that could be easily picked up by the admins.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #43 Sunday, August 3, 2003 4:13 PM
Exactly my point. Dubious ratings are the province of an admin. It isn't up to the individual to 'make up' for such a rating. Ratings should be awarded on merit and not for any other reason. Seems to me it's time ratings were made public, that would put an end to this once and for all.
Reply #43 Sunday, August 3, 2003 4:13 PM
| think an admin or moderator should be contacted when a design is suspected of wrong rating, and let the admin or moderator look at what individual rated maliciously and remove the rating privileges |
Exactly my point. Dubious ratings are the province of an admin. It isn't up to the individual to 'make up' for such a rating. Ratings should be awarded on merit and not for any other reason. Seems to me it's time ratings were made public, that would put an end to this once and for all.
DavidK
Reply #44 Sunday, August 3, 2003 4:16 PM
Reply #44 Sunday, August 3, 2003 4:16 PM
The more people who rate skins, the more meaningful ratings become.
If anyone thinks a skin has gotten a malicious rating they should email an admin to look into it.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #45 Sunday, August 3, 2003 4:20 PM
Reply #45 Sunday, August 3, 2003 4:20 PM
David is 100% correct,The law of averages takes effect when you have more input.
Apocalypse_67
Reply #46 Sunday, August 3, 2003 4:23 PM
Aufisch, this is exactly what it’s been targeted and the reason why a different system it’s been sought. A rating should not be based on what artist created the design. The rating should be based on how the design appeals to the individual. For the most part, designs [wallpapers] are rated basically on colors, resolution quality and originality. Skins ratings would be based on colors, originality, performance and available features.
A lot of people would rate a design right off the bat with out even downloading and trying it; this alone would count for an unfair rating. Others would rate unfairly just out of despise.
Hopefully the system that is going to be implemented would solve all this.
And as you said, leaving a comment to the artist in regards to what part of his or her design needs improvement, would have better results than just giving the design a low rating.
Reply #46 Sunday, August 3, 2003 4:23 PM
| Are the people who rate obliged to give good ratings just because the skin was made by someone well known? |
Aufisch, this is exactly what it’s been targeted and the reason why a different system it’s been sought. A rating should not be based on what artist created the design. The rating should be based on how the design appeals to the individual. For the most part, designs [wallpapers] are rated basically on colors, resolution quality and originality. Skins ratings would be based on colors, originality, performance and available features.
A lot of people would rate a design right off the bat with out even downloading and trying it; this alone would count for an unfair rating. Others would rate unfairly just out of despise.
Hopefully the system that is going to be implemented would solve all this.
And as you said, leaving a comment to the artist in regards to what part of his or her design needs improvement, would have better results than just giving the design a low rating.
MadIce
Reply #47 Sunday, August 3, 2003 4:59 PM
Moderators who rejected walls for an example receive hate mail. A reason for them to not write a rejection mail. The same will be true for public raters. Or if someone favors a friend by rating then who is to know if the 10 given is real or just a gift to a friend. In my opnion public rating will lead to witch hunts. There for ratings should not be public. There is a system to circumvent that, which I proposed in another thread. However, Frogboy rejected that.
Besides discussion like these do not help in any way, because it seems Frogboy already dreamed up a new system which should end various problems discussed on WC. This was several times (twice I think) mentioned by Jafo. I looks like all we can do is to wait for the introduction of this new system.
Reply #47 Sunday, August 3, 2003 4:59 PM
| Exactly my point. Dubious ratings are the province of an admin. It isn't up to the individual to 'make up' for such a rating. Ratings should be awarded on merit and not for any other reason. Seems to me it's time ratings were made public, that would put an end to this once and for all. |
Moderators who rejected walls for an example receive hate mail. A reason for them to not write a rejection mail. The same will be true for public raters. Or if someone favors a friend by rating then who is to know if the 10 given is real or just a gift to a friend. In my opnion public rating will lead to witch hunts. There for ratings should not be public. There is a system to circumvent that, which I proposed in another thread. However, Frogboy rejected that.
Besides discussion like these do not help in any way, because it seems Frogboy already dreamed up a new system which should end various problems discussed on WC. This was several times (twice I think) mentioned by Jafo. I looks like all we can do is to wait for the introduction of this new system.
MadIce
Reply #48 Sunday, August 3, 2003 5:06 PM
The above is a quote from Jafo in post #133 in Adni's "Hello!" thread.
Reply #48 Sunday, August 3, 2003 5:06 PM
Brad [Frogboy] has proposed [privately] a quite viable solution which if I had the balls would try to pretend was mine and take the Kudos....but he's tougher and younger than me...  I'll leave that for him to mention as and when it's appropriate....  |
The above is a quote from Jafo in post #133 in Adni's "Hello!" thread.
Jafo
Reply #49 Sunday, August 3, 2003 5:43 PM
Reply #49 Sunday, August 3, 2003 5:43 PM
Matthijs...only trying to show that we are conscientiously looking into solutions to all the concerns....that these discussions do NOT fall on deaf ears....
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #50 Monday, August 4, 2003 5:20 AM
Reply #50 Monday, August 4, 2003 5:20 AM
I'm sure whatever is decided it will be the subject of another debate, sigh.
It would be nice to have a system fair to all which people use in a responsible manner.
It would be nice to have a system fair to all which people use in a responsible manner.
werewolf
Reply #51 Tuesday, August 5, 2003 4:57 PM
Fuzzy, while I agree with you here, I doubt that it is possible to appease all.
Reply #51 Tuesday, August 5, 2003 4:57 PM
| It would be nice to have a system fair to all which people use in a responsible manner. |
Fuzzy, while I agree with you here, I doubt that it is possible to appease all.
DaWebMassa
Reply #52 Tuesday, August 5, 2003 6:14 PM
Reply #52 Tuesday, August 5, 2003 6:14 PM
Fuzzy seems to be hooked on one thing and one thing only...
AGAIN let me clarify. SOME of us (very few) try to help a rating when we suspect FOUL PLAY. MEANING, please read this again Fuzzy, when WE feel someone has given a piece of work a VERY low score due to jealousy, animosity or whatever reason. A piece of work jumping downward 3 or 4 points due to 1 additional rating is, in my view, unjust. AGAIN Fuzzy, this is only in what some of us feel extenuating circumstances. If you don't agree with that, fine but please don't exagerate it!
On another note, I think an EASY solution would be to send rejection notices from an address that is not responded too. Include a note saying that "Your wallpaper was rejected. DO NOT respond because it will not be read."
AGAIN let me clarify. SOME of us (very few) try to help a rating when we suspect FOUL PLAY. MEANING, please read this again Fuzzy, when WE feel someone has given a piece of work a VERY low score due to jealousy, animosity or whatever reason. A piece of work jumping downward 3 or 4 points due to 1 additional rating is, in my view, unjust. AGAIN Fuzzy, this is only in what some of us feel extenuating circumstances. If you don't agree with that, fine but please don't exagerate it!
On another note, I think an EASY solution would be to send rejection notices from an address that is not responded too. Include a note saying that "Your wallpaper was rejected. DO NOT respond because it will not be read."
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Reply #41 Saturday, August 2, 2003 3:42 PM
I think an admin or moderator should be contacted when a design is suspected of wrong rating, and let the admin or moderator look at what individual rated maliciously and remove the rating privileges