Disappointed
Wednesday, July 30, 2003 by MadIce | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I am on IRC a lot and see different skinners. Often I am lucky to see a preview of the work they make. With me there are more people. GreenReaper, Voo, pjpowel, Adam, DaWebMassa, Snowman, Hippy, MikeB314 and may others. The fun part is that sometimes you can be involved on a skin, but in this case I was not. But I know some of the others helped.
Today I was shocked by ratings that I saw. A skin suite by Starone that was not your middle of the road skin, but showed creativity. These days creativity is almost a bad word. In these days you see more and more middle of the road skins. A lot of skins are starting to look like others. So, when someone comes with something new you'll see the skin is rated by fools that probably never made a skin in their entire life and don't have any clue how much work is involved.
It looks like the rating system is going to change and that probably Journeymen and higher can vote. This looks like a very good idea, because we can have a system in which skinners are rating skinners.
Of course a skinner skins for fun, but this suite was 2 months work. It was truely creative. And some of the pieces were rated a 4 while they should be rated a 9 or so.
I do rate skins. I have rated hundreds of WB skins and sometimes DXPlayer objects, because this is what I am good in. Today I have taken the liberty that I have to rate skins that I normally would not rate. There was a little anger when I did this.
I don't want to bring Starone into trouble and I don't want to become a whiner, but I was really disappointed today...
Keep on skinning Starone!
Today I was shocked by ratings that I saw. A skin suite by Starone that was not your middle of the road skin, but showed creativity. These days creativity is almost a bad word. In these days you see more and more middle of the road skins. A lot of skins are starting to look like others. So, when someone comes with something new you'll see the skin is rated by fools that probably never made a skin in their entire life and don't have any clue how much work is involved.
It looks like the rating system is going to change and that probably Journeymen and higher can vote. This looks like a very good idea, because we can have a system in which skinners are rating skinners.
Of course a skinner skins for fun, but this suite was 2 months work. It was truely creative. And some of the pieces were rated a 4 while they should be rated a 9 or so.
I do rate skins. I have rated hundreds of WB skins and sometimes DXPlayer objects, because this is what I am good in. Today I have taken the liberty that I have to rate skins that I normally would not rate. There was a little anger when I did this.
I don't want to bring Starone into trouble and I don't want to become a whiner, but I was really disappointed today...
Keep on skinning Starone!
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Old_Crab
Reply #22 Friday, August 1, 2003 2:03 AM
Reply #22 Friday, August 1, 2003 2:03 AM
Old Crab will continue to rate as he sees fit and the way he does so is for all to see. Thank you very much. I've been here awhile and feel as if not only skinners but their audience should be included in any rating system. That is if they've paid for it in some way, whether through SD or WC. My 3 cemts worth. >
Old_Crab
Reply #23 Friday, August 1, 2003 2:08 AM
Reply #23 Friday, August 1, 2003 2:08 AM
Old Crab will continue to rate as he sees fit and I've been around awhile. When I rate a skin everyone knows my stance. I believe that anyone who buys a subscrition to SD or WC has that privilige, whether they are a skinner or part of the audience. Thank you very much. My 2 cents worth. > 
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #24 Friday, August 1, 2003 2:31 AM
Reply #24 Friday, August 1, 2003 2:31 AM
People should not be 'tweaking' ratings. Any rating given should be given fairly and without bias or prejudice.
DaWebMassa
Reply #26 Friday, August 1, 2003 12:17 PM
Reply #26 Friday, August 1, 2003 12:17 PM
Well Fuzzy.. it's the way the world works. Sometimes the good have to clean up after the bad. Call us "litter patrol" 
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #27 Friday, August 1, 2003 5:19 PM
Reply #27 Friday, August 1, 2003 5:19 PM
As I have said before, It's not up to us to make up for the shortcomings of others.
However, each individual must examine their own conscious... But be careful not to examine too close. Under such a spotlight most fall short
However, each individual must examine their own conscious... But be careful not to examine too close. Under such a spotlight most fall short
DaWebMassa
Reply #28 Saturday, August 2, 2003 1:17 AM
Are you saying that if someone throws trash on my neighbors lawn that it is bad for me to pick it up? This is essentially what we are doing.
My concious is clean as a whistle when it comes to how I rate and the comments I leave. Until recently I had never in my four year history left negative comments. However that is a whole different rant.
Anywho, I do what I think is fair. I don't indiscriminatly run around giving 10s where a 10 is not due. It's just that when I notice something that LOOKS like abuse, I do what I can to somewhat rectify it.
Reply #28 Saturday, August 2, 2003 1:17 AM
| As I have said before, It's not up to us to make up for the shortcomings of others. |
Are you saying that if someone throws trash on my neighbors lawn that it is bad for me to pick it up? This is essentially what we are doing.
My concious is clean as a whistle when it comes to how I rate and the comments I leave. Until recently I had never in my four year history left negative comments. However that is a whole different rant.
Anywho, I do what I think is fair. I don't indiscriminatly run around giving 10s where a 10 is not due. It's just that when I notice something that LOOKS like abuse, I do what I can to somewhat rectify it.
Keila
Reply #29 Saturday, August 2, 2003 6:28 AM
Reply #29 Saturday, August 2, 2003 6:28 AM
DWM, I fully agree with you. There is nothing wrong with trying to fix something that someone else wrongly messed up.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #30 Saturday, August 2, 2003 8:34 AM
Reply #30 Saturday, August 2, 2003 8:34 AM
So if my salary is paid short this month you will make up the shortfall? I can see why the rating system is such a mess. It seems clear a number of people are willing to falsify ratings so the overall rating agrees with their opinion of what it should be.
"I see a skin. I think it should be a 7. But oh dear, someone has given it a 5, so therefore I will give it a 9 so the skin has the 7 rating I think it should have".
How ludicrous and arrogant. I hope the admins are taking notice of all this.
"I see a skin. I think it should be a 7. But oh dear, someone has given it a 5, so therefore I will give it a 9 so the skin has the 7 rating I think it should have".
How ludicrous and arrogant. I hope the admins are taking notice of all this.
MadIce
Reply #32 Saturday, August 2, 2003 9:35 AM
Reply #32 Saturday, August 2, 2003 9:35 AM
Fuzzy: I am sure that admins by now have compiled a black list of raters who have spoken in this thread. All these raters will be mailed soon and will be brainwashed with the rules of your perfect world.
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DaWebMassa
Reply #33 Saturday, August 2, 2003 2:01 PM
Reply #33 Saturday, August 2, 2003 2:01 PM
Fuzzy, I tweak a few points when I see abuse. A 5 on what I feel is a 7 skin isn't real abuse. Sheesh man, try to stay in the real world.
This was meant to be a friendly debate but I see you've tried to twist it into something that suits your needs and expectations. I won't be a part of any mellowdramitic nonsense thus I am done with this thread. It's people with your attitude that make this messageboard a bad place to be.
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This was meant to be a friendly debate but I see you've tried to twist it into something that suits your needs and expectations. I won't be a part of any mellowdramitic nonsense thus I am done with this thread. It's people with your attitude that make this messageboard a bad place to be.
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MadIce
Reply #34 Saturday, August 2, 2003 2:24 PM
Reply #34 Saturday, August 2, 2003 2:24 PM
Nah, DaWebMassa. I am sure Fuzzy didn't mean it that strong. We all have some very strong opnions about matters like this. I was a little bit harsh on my comments towards Fuzzy too. I shouldn't have worded it like that. But I felt the "admins take notice" part was a bit over the the top. Sorry, Fuzzy.
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DaWebMassa
Reply #35 Saturday, August 2, 2003 2:43 PM
Ice, that is the statement I took umbridge to. This was obviously a below the belt poke. Arrogant is something I am far from and as the matter stands, I choose not to be involved in a name calling session.
Reply #35 Saturday, August 2, 2003 2:43 PM
| How ludicrous and arrogant. I hope the admins are taking notice of all this. |
Ice, that is the statement I took umbridge to. This was obviously a below the belt poke. Arrogant is something I am far from and as the matter stands, I choose not to be involved in a name calling session.
e-bros
Reply #36 Saturday, August 2, 2003 2:52 PM
Reply #36 Saturday, August 2, 2003 2:52 PM
We are (thinking) that maybe fuzzy logic is just frustrated that people have begun to rate differently than they normally would just to make up for one person's rate that was perhaps deemed inappropriate. 
Unfortunately this grows from lack of rates altogether...so a LOT of rates on a skin will make it much more fair in the end result than only a few rates. Hence, why popular authors often keep their TEN ratings here and other n00bs here may lose their good rating to only one bad rating and that's why maybe top authors or big names don't see this as a problem because enough of their buddies rate (rightfully good marks) for their excellent skins but don't suffer the hazard of one crappy rate bringing them down so low. But this should be ultimately up to the skinner to bring to the attention to an admin (hopefully privately) to resolve the sitch if it is found to be WAY off the mark to such an extent.
It certainly would be *nice* if raters all rated the same way...but as the current way is...everyone rates according to their own opinion.
Maybe to encourage more folks to rate and that their rating really FX ppl have something like:
If you have the ability to rate this skin please do...it means a lot to the skinners/artists here and effects how their work will be viewed and sorted! Please be honest in your evaluation. Thank you!
-also-
Perhaps in the not so distant future there will be an ability to rate something like this on each skin or wall:
Color: 1-10
Design: 1-10
Usability: 1-10
Complexity:1-10
etc. etc. etc. 1-10
Then mathematically narrow the overall score to one number...(ya get the idea).
But that's just an imperfect example but maybe it would make people have to really THINK and evaluate just a little bit more and put some time and effort into it.
Ah well. We tried. 
Unfortunately this grows from lack of rates altogether...so a LOT of rates on a skin will make it much more fair in the end result than only a few rates. Hence, why popular authors often keep their TEN ratings here and other n00bs here may lose their good rating to only one bad rating and that's why maybe top authors or big names don't see this as a problem because enough of their buddies rate (rightfully good marks) for their excellent skins but don't suffer the hazard of one crappy rate bringing them down so low. But this should be ultimately up to the skinner to bring to the attention to an admin (hopefully privately) to resolve the sitch if it is found to be WAY off the mark to such an extent.
It certainly would be *nice* if raters all rated the same way...but as the current way is...everyone rates according to their own opinion.
Maybe to encourage more folks to rate and that their rating really FX ppl have something like:
If you have the ability to rate this skin please do...it means a lot to the skinners/artists here and effects how their work will be viewed and sorted! Please be honest in your evaluation. Thank you!
-also-
Perhaps in the not so distant future there will be an ability to rate something like this on each skin or wall:
Color: 1-10
Design: 1-10
Usability: 1-10
Complexity:1-10
etc. etc. etc. 1-10
Then mathematically narrow the overall score to one number...(ya get the idea).
But that's just an imperfect example but maybe it would make people have to really THINK and evaluate just a little bit more and put some time and effort into it.
Ah well. We tried.
e-bros
Reply #37 Saturday, August 2, 2003 3:06 PM
Reply #37 Saturday, August 2, 2003 3:06 PM
PS: Also a rating system such as the one we mentioned would give a skinner/artist the ability to see what needs improvement or why they might have gotten a low mark on something i.e. the color was awful but the rest of the skin was great. Some folks WILL rate a skin based on color alone and this kind of rating system would give the person a chance to rate the color but ALSO rate the rest of the skin and not JUST a single aspect of it. hmm?
MadIce
Reply #38 Saturday, August 2, 2003 3:15 PM
Reply #38 Saturday, August 2, 2003 3:15 PM
It seems that there is a new system in the making and that Frogboy will announce that soon. I have heard Jafo telling that twice. It would be a good idea to announce that sooner than later, although T-man is now on vacation so, it may take a while before it gets implemented.
e-bros
Reply #39 Saturday, August 2, 2003 3:21 PM
#38 by MadIce - 8/2/2003 3:15:54 PM
It seems that there is a new system in the making and that Frogboy will announce that soon. I have heard Jafo telling that twice. It would be a good idea to announce that sooner than later, although T-man is now on vacation so, it may take a while before it gets implemented.
Sounds promising!
Reply #39 Saturday, August 2, 2003 3:21 PM
#38 by MadIce - 8/2/2003 3:15:54 PM
It seems that there is a new system in the making and that Frogboy will announce that soon. I have heard Jafo telling that twice. It would be a good idea to announce that sooner than later, although T-man is now on vacation so, it may take a while before it gets implemented.
Sounds promising!
No Rules
Reply #40 Saturday, August 2, 2003 3:39 PM
Reply #40 Saturday, August 2, 2003 3:39 PM
just a thouht here, y cant they make it so if u rate some1, have it show in the comments area 4 every1 2 c, would help keep ppl honest, anyway, just a thought, b4n.
denny
denny
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Reply #21 Thursday, July 31, 2003 8:33 PM