Skin Rating Solution

Tuesday, July 22, 2003 by SelfExiled | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

Why does a moderator have to rate a skin at all? Why shouldn't the community decide the rating of a particular piece of artwork. Clearly, a moderator has artistic qualifications that they apply to a skin that will probably be a lot higher than the general public. If a skin passes moderation then let the community decide the rating should be for that skin. This will solve any rating bias or "politics" that an artist feels has been applied to his or her work by an administrator or moderator. And, if no one rates the skin, then it can say that this piece has not yet been rated. And, no ones feelings get hurt this way. I'm sure that an artist can figure out why his skin was rated the way it was, by the communities comments in the skin comments. Just a thought for something that seems to be growing in a negative way regarding the rating system.
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Frogboy
Reply #1 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:46 PM

Do you know how the current system works?

Sugaree
Reply #2 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 7:50 PM
I'm guessing not.
yrag2
Reply #3 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:33 PM
ahhhh........don't we have a thread on 'duh'........?????



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Anthony R
Reply #4 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:36 PM
EEErrrk
Zodiaq~
Reply #5 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:42 PM
This was a waste of space
WOM
Reply #6 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:51 PM
If you have the time, check out 10 pieces from each section and I'll bet most only have the moderator rating. A smaller percentage will have 1 or 2 additionat ratings. Damm few will have more. Most people don't rate just say how nice it is. If more people rated then you would get a more accurate rating.



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Jafo
Reply #7 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:00 PM

Chas...the way the current rating system works there is no way that 'politics' can affect the rating system at all....an 'admin' or 'moderator' has one chance to post a rating, just like any other site member who can also rate. Proof that 'politics' never enters into the equation is that even from time to time when a person slips off the rails and becomes somewhat 'obnoxious' towards the site and/or its administration his works are still approved [or not]....rather than just rejected out of hand.

"politics' would more easily have the person removed from the site....and you'll agree that in reality those that have been removed clearly justified their removal...eg the Scott Sproats of this world.

Politics in ratings is not an issue....what WAS an issue was 'certain' individuals cheating the [old] system, including exploiting an old 'bug' and rating their own works...[yes, it's sad]...but all that is solved, which is clearly evident by the improved dynamics/transience of the Top Authors listing...

Doomgaze
Reply #8 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:33 PM
solution: no more rating
e-bros
Reply #9 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:44 PM
#7 by Jafo: Politics in ratings is not an issue....what WAS an issue was 'certain' individuals cheating the [old] system, including exploiting an old 'bug' and rating their own works...[yes, it's sad]...but all that is solved, which is clearly evident by the improved dynamics/transience of the Top Authors listing...

Hmm. We have friends and family who are customers of this site and though we don't know if they rate us we'd think that would be kind of cheating. Wouldn't it? And how does one rate themselves?
Sugaree
Reply #10 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:56 PM
Sometimes, I rate myself a 10
Then I wake up
Jafo
Reply #11 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 9:57 PM

e-bros...the self-rating 'bug' was squashed a long time ago....but the evidence still exists on some of the works...and remains an eye-opener for those who have seen it/them.

As for 'friends'....provided they have rating access..and do not 'blindly' prejudice the issue and give reasonable critique via the rating then well and good....but either way, as long as more people rate a piece a 'real' average reflecting a work's qualities will emerge...

e-bros
Reply #12 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:01 PM
Ahhhhhhhh. Thank you for the enlightenment Master Jafo.
SelfExiled
Reply #13 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:18 PM
Well it seems the old same thing here to me. Make fun of people who propose an idea (responses #1 - #5) and try to change the issue to something else, like problems with the old system which you say has been fixed. How does a fixed problem in the past address my current question?

So, why do moderators have to rate a skin or wallpaper at all? Let the community do it. That question still hasn't been answered.
Jafo
Reply #14 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:20 PM

Because moderators are members of this same community.

Next question?....

Jafo
Reply #15 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:23 PM
As for 'politics' of a moderator....if that is an issue, how about the 'politics' of a public individual? Explain the difference.
DavidK
Reply #16 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:31 PM

Chas I appreciate people making suggestions and ratings has been a contentious issue since the site went up. We've changed the system several times to address user input and try to make it more acceptable. The problem with your idea is we can't have pieces that aren't rated for a few reasons;

1- The ratings are used for sorting, anything without a rating would be either invisible or at the end of the section.

2- Very few people leave ratings. There's a good probability under your idea that most submissions would never get rated.

So maybe a better idea would be to just have an admin rating and no user ratings. Or maybe have two rating categories, site rating and user rating (like Deskmod does)

Personally I don't care for ratings either but I don't know of any skins site that doesn't have them. When you have a huge database of individual works it's a necessity.

MadIce
Reply #17 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:35 PM
Let's see... How does nonesense like this start again? Start a thread, do not check the facts first, imply there is intentional misconduct, lately "politics" is trendy, hide the bomb with a smiley, make sure you mention the "community" and don't forget feelings, etc., etc., etc. Sigh.
Jafo
Reply #18 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:40 PM
Damn it, Matthijs...."political bombs within the ratings community are hurting feelings and moderators are evil"........[did I get all the key-words?]...
MadIce
Reply #19 Tuesday, July 22, 2003 10:47 PM
adni18
Reply #20 Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:15 AM
Hi

Do you think it is funny making ChasUGC look like ignorant?

ChasUGC has make a suggestion with good will, it is obvious that he doesn't know exactly all the facts, but as he said "Make fun of people who propose an idea" is not a good idea!

I am sorry about it ChasUGC and the rest of you people who I am sure that you didn't intent to do it, but you did it again

People are avoiding to post in threads and make propositions because of this kind of laughs etc so they end up with the thought, "who cares!", why should I?

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