Very Upset...
Tuesday, June 3, 2003 by Zodiaq~ | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I would never make such a controversial statement unless I was 100% sure. I have taken and reproduced the stolen graphic many times, the pixel pattern is almost exact, it can be reproduced quite easily with just using layer styles in Photoshop.
What can I do?
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Reply #42 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 5:26 PM
It may not be clear to you yet, but by going public people will invest time in you. Maybe you find these people incompetent, but you have chosen these people to give a judgement. And like grayhaze points out all these people come to the same conclusion.
Do not do this to yourself, man. You can go back before the end of the thread.
Reply #43 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 5:45 PM
| #23 by Zodiaq~ - 6/3/2003 3:55:32 PM Jafo...I don't think those images are a fair assesment. Take my button, cut the top half, stretch, copy, flip vertical, overlay, or saturation, or softlight and change the opacity. It's not just a likeness. |
Zodiaq, swallow your pride and make another skin dammit!
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Reply #49 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 7:47 PM
I mean heck there has to be at least 20 jpg/gif button creation applications on the web that use this as the standard GEL or Candy button shape, and that goes for the colors also.
Reply #50 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 7:49 PM
I can hear someone laughing now..."If 'round' is a shape...if 'square' is a shape' then we're all rippers."
Okay, call me paranoid. hehe
Reply #51 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 8:11 PM
Plain and simple. I agree their are several graphics on several skins that may be similar, maybe used as a reference to create something close. For hell's sake, someone could use the same tutorial.
The button I created was created from scratch using Photoshop layer styles, I didn't use any tutorial and spent a lot of time on it.
I'm not saying it was recreated as a likeness. What I am saying is that it was my file cut and pasted and modified.
I emailed the author earlier today but have received no response as of yet. I wish I could at least hear his side of the story.
chrissy14...read the thread before you post.
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Reply #53 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 8:35 PM
If you must cut, paste, and apply multiple filters to your image, to get his. Sorry Zodiaq, this is no "proof" at all. Please drop this, and skin something.
Reply #55 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 9:43 PM
Zodiaq~...I have emailed you a 'private' response and [I hope] clarification.
Putting these images on public view for comment has meant you don't need my sole opinion of whether there is an incidence of 'ripping' or not, as you have others with an equally qualified/experienced opinion of the issue at hand, seemingly concurring with mine.
I'll show you a real-life issue of ripping which actually took a lot of argument for those concerned to be convinced.
This is a rip which was claimed NOT to be, yet very definitely IS such......and an example why your situation is really so different...
Reply #56 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 10:07 PM
This is my final comment:
Like I said earlier, I have many hours into a skin that I intend to share with many of the users that appreciate my work. I will release it perhaps sometime next week and leave it up, as well as the rest of my library for a couple of weeks.
Regretfully, after that I must pull out from Wincustomize. I'm not looking for sympathy or please don't go, I don't want any of it. After all, I am just some guy that puts together a few graphics and calls it a skin. I mean in all reality, after the first 30 minutes of my departure I won't even be remembered, so it's really not that big of a deal.
I feel that I approached this scenario the best I could and frankly, most of the responses in this thread are quite Rude. As other's have been very rude towards many other skinners and artists on this message board and driven them away.
Jafo's comment on manipulating a cat into a dog was uncalled for and clearly a statement as such is the kind of fuel that has fed the fire's of some of the very hateful threads in the past month or so and it's coming from an admin.
I am leaving with no ill feeling's...I promise
I enjoyed it while it lasted, it was vey fun.
Peace out
Reply #57 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 10:12 PM
https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?library=13&SkinID=2080
Now, the small image on the left is a 256 colour gif claimed to be the sole inspiration to the creation of a work which was argued NOT to be a rip of the Universe Metal Wincustomize.com site skin....as if the two images/designs were some-how a magic coincidence?
I don't think so.
The IE6 browser window on the right shows the WC skin in action.
Except for colour-depth restrictions of a gif format [256 colour] Vs the jpg's 16.7 million...they are pixel-perfect.
And yet I defy anyone with working sight and an above-drool-level intelligence to conclude anything BUT that they are identical and therefore a 'rip' issue....
Reply #58 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 10:27 PM
Zodiaq~...my comment about manipulating a dog to make a cat was a humorous [in theory] example to explain that if an image must have so very many alterations/processes done to it before it is like another then it clearly is not actually like it in the first place.
A dog has 4 legs and a tail....so does a cat, yet a cat is not a dog.
Your image CAN be made to look like his, and vise versa.....I agree thoroughly, but so can so many others that this cannot realistically be construed as a rip. If it is, then ALL, that is ALL 'glassy' buttons are a rip of the Apple OS.
This is not a defensible and upholdable claim via copyright, though I believe Apple was trying to. I think it was like trying to copyright an apple without the bite removed....just too publicly generic...but WITH the bite removed it was distinguishable and registerable.
In the same way that Macca's has trademarked its 'M' symbol....doesn't mean it has trademarked the letter 'M'...
Reply #59 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 10:39 PM
I've seen things that came MUCH closer to my crappy x-box skin.
Reply #60 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 10:44 PM
People leave over the silliest ideas.
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Reply #41 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 5:02 PM