A notice about ratings
Thursday, May 22, 2003 by paxx | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
OK, I think a notice here is in order.
Lets first establish what ratings are and what value they have. A rating is a way to let peers give their appreciation of your work. Ratings range from 1 to 10, 1 being the worse possible rating and 10 being the ultimate best. Please keep that in mind when rating a skin. Please do not abuse of 1's and 2's, just as you should use the rating of 10 rather sparingly as well. A 1 means "It can't get worse than this", and a 10 means "Nothing can better this".
We have noticed that there is way too many 1's and 10's given out. They should be exception. In theory, only a extreme few skins should deserve one or the other. So, please try to be fair in your ratings, and never use ratings to punish somebody you dislike or reward reward your friends. Give your ratings according to what YOU feel about a piece. NEVER give a rating to try to raise or lower an overall rating you feel is too high or too low. For example, never give a 1 to a skin rated 8 because you feel it deserves a 6. If you think it deserves a 6, then give it a 6. Same goes the other way: don't give a 10 because you think it's rated too low.
Remember that admins can see all the individual ratings. We can see for each skin who rated what, just as we can see for each user what how he rated each skin. If we feel there is abuse in the ratings, we could at some point remove the rating priviledges of any individual.
We highly encourage everybody to rate, and to rate often, but be fair, and do not misuse the priviledge.
Thank you.
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Reply #42 Wednesday, June 4, 2003 9:23 AM
I'm not questioning the fact that rating abuse takes place.
My only point is that paxx should have kept his mouth shut and dealt with the problem directly, forcefully, and privately.
The solution is simple, email the abuser and warn them. If they do not stop, ban them. I point back to my original example about the incompetent boss/manager above.
Reply #43 Wednesday, June 4, 2003 10:04 AM
So if you pay, you''l get to vote; wow, this thing will make me instantly a subscriber, exactly like upgrading to Xp, because I am missing apphelper.dll:)
Reply #44 Wednesday, June 4, 2003 10:33 AM
Up to 3 marks for appearence
Up to 3 marks for useability
Up to 3 marks for skill level
1 additional mark for something extraordinary which has already gained 9 marks.
For me a really good score will start at 6. A ten will be rare, so will a 1 - but I'm not opposed to giving either if I think it is a fair mark. So no-one need be offended if I only gave them a 6 - it means I like their work!
My system suits me. Each to his own as they say. At least it gives me a chance of some consistency in rating.
Reply #45 Wednesday, June 4, 2003 11:40 AM
| #38 by Orion - 6/4/2003 7:38:40 AM You’re like the boss that has one or two workers that always screws-up or comes in late. Instead of actually addressing the issue with the offending party, they proceed to really upset the innocent/good workers because he made blanket statements or policies and applied them to everyone. |
Would you agree that being a good boss also means that you should post the rules so everyone can see them so that everyone understands the rules. This is a basic preventive measure that Paxx has taken. Maybe some people didn't realize they were breaking the rules. Could you imagine if no speed limit signs were posted. Hmm, shall I go 35 or 65. I'll try 65 and see what happens. Next thing you know you are being pulled over for speeding. All of this could have been prevented if the Speed Limit was posted.
Paxx, thanks for posting the Speed Limit!
Reply #46 Wednesday, June 4, 2003 4:53 PM
A competent boss/manager treats his staff as intelligent beings and respectfully has open discussion of issues of concern.
The incompetent one just says 'to heck with it' and fires anyone he considers has crossed the invisible line of his own making.
Orion....post #38 crosses that arbitrary invisible line of 'personal insult'.....try to abstain from further.
Harsh wording to get a point across can be tempered with the ubiquitous 'smiley'.....I use them often to soften or lessen the hurt of a comment.
Try it some time....
Reply #47 Thursday, June 5, 2003 2:53 AM
| Orion - I'm not questioning the fact that rating abuse takes place. My only point is that paxx should have kept his mouth shut and dealt with the problem directly, forcefully, and privately. |
as has already been pointed out, that means that there is no clear public statement of policy on this site.
as other threads and discussions have clearly shown, if there is a site policy isn't clearly stated and clearly posted, then people can and do get very upset when this policy is applied. they complain "no one told me", etc. sometimes the policy seems like simple common sense. regardless of how obvious it seems, if it is stated clearly, then people cannot claim the info isn't there. they may not have read it, but at least we can point them at it when the questions and complaints start flying.
with regard to specific individuals, i have not noticed Paxx name anyone in public. perhaps the admins have been naming in public and i missed it, but i suspect that the admins are emailing people privately, and not posting names publicly.
Orion, please note that before now Jafo has had to publicly address people on this board about "problems" since private emails to their listed email account bounced.
Reply #48 Thursday, June 5, 2003 4:15 AM
Reply #49 Thursday, June 5, 2003 5:37 AM
I now understand the “speed limit”. I will only use the numbers between 5 and 5 to rate skins unless there is a blank screenshot and a virus inside the WBA…in that case I will give a 4. If the screen or downloaded WBA gives me a financial boost or some other substantial impact in my life I might be compelled to give it a 6. But I would appreciate it if the admins would be so kind as to add .5 increments to the ratings. Of course, this entire rating scheme is thrown off if it’s raining…so bear with me while I get the hang of this…
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Jafo wrote: "Orion....post #38 crosses that arbitrary invisible line of 'personal insult'.....try to abstain from further."
My bad...won't happen again. Sorry paxx…
Jafo wrote: "Harsh wording to get a point across can be tempered with the ubiquitous 'smiley'.....I use them often to soften or lessen the hurt of a comment."
I get your point, but sometimes I don’t want to lessen the impact.
Due to real life, I can't spend much time here....but every time I do visit, there is some public melodrama like this. It's really sappy, sad, and high schoolish…and yes, it does bother me sometimes that the admins (in this case paxx) don’t know how to handle the situation. (translation on this statement below)Feline wrote: "Orion, please note that before now Jafo has had to publicly address people on this board about "problems" since private emails to their listed email account bounced."
That's a horrible excuse. Simple: if a user does something, you try and email or message them, and if it bounces, you ban them. I doubt (but would like to be corrected if I’m wrong) that there are very many users guilty of this "abuse". Look, I have been a systems and network admin of large enterprises for many years now, so I speak from experience on the subject of “user management”
However, as a result of this, I guess I do understand that this is not the same user base that I am used to...and much different management style and environment. I see that I cannot hold you to any sort of user or site management style or watermark that may exist in my head. I do completely understand that you can run your site how you like…but I may disagree from time to time. I recognize and respect this AND I will try and keep it in mind in the future.
P.S. I still disagree. “Uh, I’d like to have an argument please…”
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Reply #50 Thursday, June 5, 2003 5:45 AM
Thanks for heeding, Bob...
The casual passer-by gets an entirely different impression of the site to that of the bunkered-down battle-weary veterans of many a skirmish...
You want an argument?....That's two doors down...this is contradictions.
No it isn't
Yes it is....
Reply #51 Thursday, June 5, 2003 6:01 AM
| However, as a result of this, I guess I do understand that this is not the same user base that I am used to...and much different management style and environment. I see that I cannot hold you to any sort of user or site management style or watermark that may exist in my head. |
you have some very good points, many of which i am not really in a position to address. after all, i am not an admin, so i can ignore a lot of their problems! *sigh of relief*
with regard to the "management style", some of the skinners (who are reasonably important to the site) can be just a little bit touchy, especially when they feel someone is conducting a personal campaign against them and their work. as an admin, how do you respond to their concerns? sometimes they really are being got at, but at other times confusion over the system seems to be the problem. add in "strange" english by people who aren't native english speakers...
at times, it seems to need the patience of a saint to be an admin here.
Reply #52 Thursday, June 5, 2003 6:22 AM
No problem. How many times now have I gone off only to apologize?
Just give me a title of "Resident Hot-Head".Jafo wrote: "The casual passer-by gets an entirely different impression of the site to that of the bunkered-down battle-weary veterans of many a skirmish..."
Please explain...in what respect?
Feline wrote: "...with regard to the "management style", some of the skinners (who are reasonably important to the site) can be just a little bit touchy..."
Orion bites his tongue...
Feline wrote: "at times, it seems to need the patience of a saint to be an admin here."
Amen...
Reply #53 Thursday, June 5, 2003 7:46 AM
Reply #54 Thursday, June 5, 2003 8:07 AM
What the chocoladevla! I thought it was just about ratings, and an appeal to the integrity of those who do rate, and if it was my appeal, I would appeal to the admins to have the integrity to rate and do just the same as we are expected to do. That's not so difficult. Oh and Jafo, flak is history, it's laserbeam now. (Wondering if I need a smiley now, and btw why temper with a smiley....if your dad smacks you and then give you a cookie or candy, would you cry less??)Reply #55 Thursday, June 5, 2003 9:15 AM
I can only imagine how I'd react if one of my users tried to tell me how to do my job. I should have put myself in your shoes before replying. I will try an not be a back-seat admin again. I apologize with no excuses.
Reply #56 Monday, June 9, 2003 6:09 AM
What's important to me is the quality of the graphics, the quality of the design, the colors and color harmonies, the functionality, and the legibility of the text. It doesn't matter if I like it, if it's a well done skin, I'll show my appreciation to the artist.
The ratings should not be a popularity contest. The number of downloads covers the popularity issue.
A lot of skins only get rated by a few people. If one of those ratings is very low, but the skin is high-quality, then it seems reasonable to balance it out with a high rating. I try to make sure a job well done is rewarded by a rating of 7 or higher. It takes a lot of work to create a high-quality skin.
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Reply #41 Wednesday, June 4, 2003 8:54 AM