A notice about ratings
Thursday, May 22, 2003 by paxx | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
OK, I think a notice here is in order.
Lets first establish what ratings are and what value they have. A rating is a way to let peers give their appreciation of your work. Ratings range from 1 to 10, 1 being the worse possible rating and 10 being the ultimate best. Please keep that in mind when rating a skin. Please do not abuse of 1's and 2's, just as you should use the rating of 10 rather sparingly as well. A 1 means "It can't get worse than this", and a 10 means "Nothing can better this".
We have noticed that there is way too many 1's and 10's given out. They should be exception. In theory, only a extreme few skins should deserve one or the other. So, please try to be fair in your ratings, and never use ratings to punish somebody you dislike or reward reward your friends. Give your ratings according to what YOU feel about a piece. NEVER give a rating to try to raise or lower an overall rating you feel is too high or too low. For example, never give a 1 to a skin rated 8 because you feel it deserves a 6. If you think it deserves a 6, then give it a 6. Same goes the other way: don't give a 10 because you think it's rated too low.
Remember that admins can see all the individual ratings. We can see for each skin who rated what, just as we can see for each user what how he rated each skin. If we feel there is abuse in the ratings, we could at some point remove the rating priviledges of any individual.
We highly encourage everybody to rate, and to rate often, but be fair, and do not misuse the priviledge.
Thank you.
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Reply #22 Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:47 PM
Reply #23 Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:57 PM
)...it will also be nice to see how a skin is rated in the skin details page..
Reply #24 Friday, May 30, 2003 1:46 AM
Reply #25 Friday, May 30, 2003 10:05 AM
Reply #26 Saturday, May 31, 2003 11:31 AM
queezendorf: yes, it is our decision, our power and even our responsibility to limit abuse. As I said, 1 is the lowest possible score. 10 is the highest possible score. When somebody rates something a 1, it's for two possible reasons: either because that skin is indeed the worst possible skin ever made, or the person has a personal agenda.
We do not give the priviledge of rating skins to everybody. Only to a selected few whom we trust (class Apprentice and above, along with people who purchased the WC subscription). No, this is not freedom of speech. If it was, everybody would be allowed to rate. Not the case. We trust people, we expect them to rate with maturity and integrity. If we find that some people consistently abuse of their rating priviledge and are therefore not worthy of the trust we put in them, it is our right and obligation to take it away.
Reply #27 Saturday, May 31, 2003 7:22 PM
Reply #28 Saturday, May 31, 2003 8:58 PM
Well, if you feel this is unfair, I won't hold you. But you must understand that I am talking about abuse. When a skin is rated overall 8 and somebody gives it a 1, it makes you raise eyebrows. But when that person does it all the time, then this person isn't being fair. He's trying to hurt on purpose. And that's bad and should be responded to. Your ratings have always been fair, queezendorf, I trust your integrity with your ratings. Although I do find you are quite generous with the 10, but for skins that are generally rated 8, 9 or 10 overall anyway; so it's not in the least condemnable.
I fear you are misunderstanding this post. It's not about policing or controling how people rate. It's about preventing abuse. About trying to avoid having people using their rating priviledge to get back at somebody they don't like, or rating low for some other personnal reasons that have little to do with art appreciation.
Reply #29 Monday, June 2, 2003 10:05 AM
| We have noticed that there is way too many 1's and 10's given out. They should be exception. In theory, only a extreme few skins should deserve one or the other |
The difficulty is, most of the time people look at the current rate. Give it a 10 on instant, is a motive to downgrade. I have a problem with that, and really is effecting the average rating way too much. If it gets a "7", you will see people rate higher if they like it and lower if they don't. To avoid such behaviour as giving a "1" to a "10" I think my suggestion is a good one. Let the admin who thinks it is a "10" rate it as a "10" after it has given an initial "7", because he/she thinks the skin should be able to be seen to visitors too.
Reply #30 Monday, June 2, 2003 10:39 AM
| queezendorf: yes, it is our decision, our power and even our responsibility to limit abuse |
If you understand the position you have, coming once from the skinning part, you must understand you have to use exactly that power in all humbleness with the intent to make things better for all skinners. If one of you is starting to dabble in grey areas the admins group is suddenly on a slope where morals and personal and economical interests can be favoured.
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Reply #31 Monday, June 2, 2003 8:17 PM
Why do you only pick out the word "Power" from Paxx's post to focus on? By doing that, you change the context of the word and then call into question the admin's integrity. Unfair.
You should re-read the post, and take on board the context of the entire sentence, which also includes the words "decision" and "responsibility". Personally I find your post insulting. I take it you think you could do a better job? Well, I can assure you, that's not going to happen.
If you believe any admin or moderator of this site is guilty of "dabbling in grey areas", you should contact the owners of the site privately, and not make accusations on the public message board.
Reply #32 Monday, June 2, 2003 9:26 PM
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Reply #33 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 1:47 AM
Reply #34 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 9:27 AM
| I really get annoyed when my posts are misinterpreted and then I get insulted |
I imagine Paxx feels the same way.
Reply #37 Tuesday, June 3, 2003 9:50 AM
I don't feel insulted, but maybe a bit frustrated.
If you understand that we want to avoid abuse, then what is the point of your posts? I don't get it.
I keep saying that all we want is protect you and other against malicious people who abuse of their rating priviledge by skinking the ratings of your good skins.
All I said is that as admins, it is not only in our power to protect you and other artists against those people, but it's actually our responsability. Why are we admins in the first place, if it wasn't to act for the best interest of all the great artists of this site.
I keep saying this, I try to reword it, I try to make it clear. But yet you were arguing for I don't understand what reason.
So, no I don't feel insulted, I just don't understand why anybody would argue about this. Would you argue with the police if they arrested somebody who broke into your house?
Reply #38 Wednesday, June 4, 2003 7:38 AM
Reply #39 Wednesday, June 4, 2003 8:45 AM
i have been watching this thread for a while now.
Orion, would you agree that *if* person A applied a 1 rating to every skin by person B that this might be a problem?
perhaps person B's skins are just really bad. however, if the average rating on person B's skins is 8 then this suggests one of:
* person A's tastes are such that they think that these works cannot get any worse
* person A doesn't understand the rating system scale, and thinks 1 is a high rating
* they have a personal agenda
someone applying a 10 across the board in the same way leads to the same questions.
so, if you agree that person A is probably abusing their rating privilege, what do you suggest?
it seems that the Admins (not just Paxx) are saying that when they find what they believe to be abuse of the system, they are trying to correct this problem.
Orion and anyone else who is questioning this, can you please address my "what is person A doing" question in a polite and reasonable manor?
if we can agree that person A applying 1's wholesale is a problem, then what do people suggest we do?
* nothing, which is likely to upset and emotionally hurt the artists
* something, which means the admins are stepping into the line of fire on behalf of the admins
i don't see everything that goes on here. i don't claim to know everything. but i personally see NO reason to accuse the admins of anything other than trying their best in often difficult situations.
feline welcomes constructive replies
Reply #40 Wednesday, June 4, 2003 8:48 AM
| something, which means the admins are stepping into the line of fire on behalf of the admins |
that should have been "on behalf of the artists"
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Reply #21 Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:43 PM
I am serious about the high/low thing.
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