Please, do something about it!
Monday, April 28, 2003 by adni18 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Some full of complex person, is giving low rates to all the wallpapers in general.
What kind of person is this???
Why we give to this kind of persons the authority to think that they are Gods?
I am sure that those persons are not able to draw not even a line!
This behavior is sending away all the authors from WinCustomize!
Is this what they want to do? Send away the authors from WinCustomize?
Someone has to do something about it!
We can't allow any John or Jane to have opinion about the work of Picasso; of course, they can have their opinion, but in this case counts much, because only those people are giving the 90% of the rates!!!
I know there is not any Picasso among us, but there are many John and Jane's, if you know what I mean...
Please do something about it, before it will be too late!
What kind of person is this???
Why we give to this kind of persons the authority to think that they are Gods?
I am sure that those persons are not able to draw not even a line!
This behavior is sending away all the authors from WinCustomize!
Is this what they want to do? Send away the authors from WinCustomize?
Someone has to do something about it!
We can't allow any John or Jane to have opinion about the work of Picasso; of course, they can have their opinion, but in this case counts much, because only those people are giving the 90% of the rates!!!
I know there is not any Picasso among us, but there are many John and Jane's, if you know what I mean...
Please do something about it, before it will be too late!
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werewolf
Reply #62 Monday, April 28, 2003 2:44 PM
Reply #62 Monday, April 28, 2003 2:44 PM
Again, Lady Akasha, there will be no retribution for your comments 
No Rules
Reply #63 Monday, April 28, 2003 2:49 PM
Reply #63 Monday, April 28, 2003 2:49 PM
adni, i wrote what i did because ppl where wondering who gave you such a bad rating. i wanted to let you know it was me. like i said before, i rated low because i was shocked to see something like that from you, your other work is so much better. i'm not going to say anything else about this matter, i'm not hear to have bad words going back and forth.
jcg
Reply #64 Monday, April 28, 2003 2:58 PM
Reply #64 Monday, April 28, 2003 2:58 PM
Lady A,
In the same vein as grayhaze, I understood adni's original post to be more concerned with malicious ratings as opposed to simply low ratings. While he is probably used to getting 10's I don't think his lament was due to a ruined 10. We've had the occassional bad apple here who seems to get his jollies by sabotaging people's ratings. Thankfully, that doesn't seem to be the case here but it does go on and has been cause for concern.
In the same vein as grayhaze, I understood adni's original post to be more concerned with malicious ratings as opposed to simply low ratings. While he is probably used to getting 10's I don't think his lament was due to a ruined 10. We've had the occassional bad apple here who seems to get his jollies by sabotaging people's ratings. Thankfully, that doesn't seem to be the case here but it does go on and has been cause for concern.
adni18
Reply #65 Monday, April 28, 2003 3:11 PM
Reply #65 Monday, April 28, 2003 3:11 PM
You have missunderstand me Lady Akasha, that's all. No problem
MarkMcQ
Reply #66 Monday, April 28, 2003 3:12 PM
Reply #66 Monday, April 28, 2003 3:12 PM
God lord, this is without a doubt the stupidest thread ever poted on this board.
sig101
Reply #68 Monday, April 28, 2003 3:21 PM
Reply #68 Monday, April 28, 2003 3:21 PM
Lady: Historically, as I understand it, Adni's concern (which some other artist's share) is that work be available to view for visitors and others, not just those users with higher user rankings. Presently if you are a visitor or have a low user ranking my understanding is that you cannot view all the work that is on site, only those works rated 7 or above, if I recall correctly.
So whenever I've seen Adni's concerns about ratings in the past, that really has been the issue. Here it evidently is his (and perhaps others') suspicions that downgrading is being deliberately done (which doesn't seem to be the case from the Admin's reviews) with the result being that the casual visitor or low ranking user will not be able to see the work.
I too suspect that his use of language may be coming off differently than intended. But that's because English is his second language. His first language is, you'll forgive the pun, all Greek to me.
So whenever I've seen Adni's concerns about ratings in the past, that really has been the issue. Here it evidently is his (and perhaps others') suspicions that downgrading is being deliberately done (which doesn't seem to be the case from the Admin's reviews) with the result being that the casual visitor or low ranking user will not be able to see the work.
I too suspect that his use of language may be coming off differently than intended. But that's because English is his second language. His first language is, you'll forgive the pun, all Greek to me.
adni18
Reply #69 Monday, April 28, 2003 3:32 PM
Reply #69 Monday, April 28, 2003 3:32 PM
I feel very sorry Hippy, for not being so clever as you are!
That's life, I guess..... we can't have them all!
That's life, I guess..... we can't have them all!
bakerstreet
Reply #70 Monday, April 28, 2003 3:47 PM
Reply #70 Monday, April 28, 2003 3:47 PM
Hey, hey, hey, let's try to be positive here people...
-Bakerstreet
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( amended title: President and CEO of roughly 40% of Bakerstreet's House, one-third of Bakerstreet's Yard, including the little strip on the other side of the sidewalk, and Bakerstreet's Car between the hours of 6pm and 7am, est, excluding radio administration )
-Bakerstreet
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( amended title: President and CEO of roughly 40% of Bakerstreet's House, one-third of Bakerstreet's Yard, including the little strip on the other side of the sidewalk, and Bakerstreet's Car between the hours of 6pm and 7am, est, excluding radio administration )
Angel_Wings
Reply #71 Monday, April 28, 2003 3:55 PM
Reply #71 Monday, April 28, 2003 3:55 PM
Angel_Wings gives Nikos a big reassuring (((HUG))) and giggles at Bakerstreet.
Love for sale...hot, nekkid---oops. Wrong forum!
Love for sale...hot, nekkid---oops. Wrong forum!
DarkMist
Reply #73 Monday, April 28, 2003 4:23 PM
Reply #73 Monday, April 28, 2003 4:23 PM
Boxxi thats the main reason i mainly don't rate, as i make Walls i know what goes into them, if i don't like it i will say but i wont rate low for that reason.
mooshoo
Reply #74 Monday, April 28, 2003 4:45 PM
Reply #74 Monday, April 28, 2003 4:45 PM
generaly speaking I either rate walls that I like a lot, or can tell there was little effort put into it. Just because something isn't my style doesn't mean I rate it low, I don't rate it at all because I will unfairly judge it.
I have never attempted to create a skin and therefore don't rate them, as I am not a good judge for what took high effort compared to low.
and yes, perhapse adni isn't coming accross exactly how he intended... God knows how rediculous I'd sound trying to say this in spanish(my second lang)!
though... I do remember another time (around XP's departure), adni, that this was your excuse
Not saying it's not true.. just curious laugh guys... it's good to do.. and stuff.
I have never attempted to create a skin and therefore don't rate them, as I am not a good judge for what took high effort compared to low.
and yes, perhapse adni isn't coming accross exactly how he intended... God knows how rediculous I'd sound trying to say this in spanish(my second lang)!
though... I do remember another time (around XP's departure), adni, that this was your excuse
Not saying it's not true.. just curious laugh guys... it's good to do.. and stuff.
Hus
Reply #75 Monday, April 28, 2003 4:46 PM
Reply #75 Monday, April 28, 2003 4:46 PM
For anyone that cares...here's my two cents on the rating system.
First off, as a very stubborn person and being known as "The Critic" to all my friends, I've come to judge and criticize almost everything. My friend just bought himself a $9,000 sound-system for his car, I told him it sounded like crap, you gotta adjust the tweeters, the pre-amp levels are off, you need to fine tune that EQ, set the color on your screens, and get rid of that stupid X-Box! How this relates is although I'm a critic, I'm very fair. I don't rate a lot of skins, but so far, the only thing I have given a 10 is mormegil's FauxS-Toon WB theme, everything else got a 9 or under. The way I see it, people shouldn't care about a rating, this isn't the olympics and not everyone is gonna judge you like the french. You guys are not out to get gold medals and worldwide publicity, you are here to express your views on desktop customization (which I'm grateful for). To even get a little bit upset in the slightest way is unnecessary. There is one thing my mother always said to me, that was "never give a sh*t about what people think of you!", I think any and all artists should feel the same way! Why would a bad rating get you upset? You spent the hours making it, and that alone should satisfy you! If it doesn't, you need to take a look at why you are doing it in the first place. So to all publishers of art, graphics and whatnot...do it only because you want too, don't do it for praise or fame. Every memorable artist, whether it be a painter or a skinner, did it because it's what they liked to do...not because they wanted to be famous!
First off, as a very stubborn person and being known as "The Critic" to all my friends, I've come to judge and criticize almost everything. My friend just bought himself a $9,000 sound-system for his car, I told him it sounded like crap, you gotta adjust the tweeters, the pre-amp levels are off, you need to fine tune that EQ, set the color on your screens, and get rid of that stupid X-Box! How this relates is although I'm a critic, I'm very fair. I don't rate a lot of skins, but so far, the only thing I have given a 10 is mormegil's FauxS-Toon WB theme, everything else got a 9 or under. The way I see it, people shouldn't care about a rating, this isn't the olympics and not everyone is gonna judge you like the french. You guys are not out to get gold medals and worldwide publicity, you are here to express your views on desktop customization (which I'm grateful for). To even get a little bit upset in the slightest way is unnecessary. There is one thing my mother always said to me, that was "never give a sh*t about what people think of you!", I think any and all artists should feel the same way! Why would a bad rating get you upset? You spent the hours making it, and that alone should satisfy you! If it doesn't, you need to take a look at why you are doing it in the first place. So to all publishers of art, graphics and whatnot...do it only because you want too, don't do it for praise or fame. Every memorable artist, whether it be a painter or a skinner, did it because it's what they liked to do...not because they wanted to be famous!
BluesStringer
Reply #76 Monday, April 28, 2003 4:48 PM
Reply #76 Monday, April 28, 2003 4:48 PM
adni, I'm pretty new here but I check in almost every day at least once to see what's new. When I saw "Seed" I said to myself, "I bet that's an adni18 wall", and sho' 'nuff, it is. (I always look at the enlarged wall before reading about the author or the description) Anyway, I haven't seen a single thing of yours that I don't like for some reason, and most I like because all the elements that are appealing to me are present. I'm not much of an artist, but I spent several years on the road as a working pro musician and I write a lot of my own material. I never liked it when people criticized my stuff either, but different strokes man! They usually liked it better the second set after I bought 'em a beer or something! 
Anyway, I feel bad that you seem to feel so bad when almost everyone here is giving you encouragement. Hang in there. You do great work!
Anyway, I feel bad that you seem to feel so bad when almost everyone here is giving you encouragement. Hang in there. You do great work!
Jafo
Reply #77 Monday, April 28, 2003 4:49 PM
Reply #77 Monday, April 28, 2003 4:49 PM
Gosh....life goes on while one sleeps.
Dang these time-zones...
Denny03...clearly since you have the intestinal fortitude to publicly announce you are the author of the '1' it is clearly not a nasty, vindictive rating [safe in anonymity]. I applaud your candour...
Lady Akasha...take it from me your subsequent submissions will NOT be affected by your opinion/s expressed here, or anywhere else. A goodly proportion of your submissions succeed, and I'm sure that'll simply increase with time....
A work not requiring 'moderation/approval' such as is the case for Adni18, and others at a similar 'access level' receive an auto '6' when uploaded. They are therefore invisible to the casual visitor and require subsequent 'adjustment' by legitimate public rating.
Some of these works actually receive several comments and are public for a considerable time yet still languish with the 'auto-6'....I think I still have some like that after months.
Now, were ALL works to be moderated, no matter who they were by, there are quite a few currently online that perhaps would have made it no further than the cutting-room floor.
Even the 'best' authors create crap at times. I am certainly not the 'best', so I self-moderate to not abuse my position/access status....and then think I've achieved something when I reach 100,000 downloads...
People the likes of Dark Mist deserve the real praise...not the 'Masters' or 'Journeymen', whatever. He's submitted more walls than most but has had precious few of them approved. Not a whimper about it....no complaints about vexatious admins or ratings....just plods on and 'has another go'....
Whether a wall here is done by Nikos, Bryan or even Helder it is not a foregone conclusion that they are all par-excellence. Sure, I personally have rated many of their works a '10', but there are others I would actually have moderated...why?...because the '10's I give become the standard by which their other works are to be judged.
Vanity is a powerful influence on our lives. It is often hard to accept that perhaps not everything we do will be well received. C'est la Vie...[probably stuffed that up...my French courses were over, 33 years ago]...
Dang these time-zones...
Denny03...clearly since you have the intestinal fortitude to publicly announce you are the author of the '1' it is clearly not a nasty, vindictive rating [safe in anonymity]. I applaud your candour...
Lady Akasha...take it from me your subsequent submissions will NOT be affected by your opinion/s expressed here, or anywhere else. A goodly proportion of your submissions succeed, and I'm sure that'll simply increase with time....
A work not requiring 'moderation/approval' such as is the case for Adni18, and others at a similar 'access level' receive an auto '6' when uploaded. They are therefore invisible to the casual visitor and require subsequent 'adjustment' by legitimate public rating.
Some of these works actually receive several comments and are public for a considerable time yet still languish with the 'auto-6'....I think I still have some like that after months.
Now, were ALL works to be moderated, no matter who they were by, there are quite a few currently online that perhaps would have made it no further than the cutting-room floor.
Even the 'best' authors create crap at times. I am certainly not the 'best', so I self-moderate to not abuse my position/access status....and then think I've achieved something when I reach 100,000 downloads...
People the likes of Dark Mist deserve the real praise...not the 'Masters' or 'Journeymen', whatever. He's submitted more walls than most but has had precious few of them approved. Not a whimper about it....no complaints about vexatious admins or ratings....just plods on and 'has another go'....
Whether a wall here is done by Nikos, Bryan or even Helder it is not a foregone conclusion that they are all par-excellence. Sure, I personally have rated many of their works a '10', but there are others I would actually have moderated...why?...because the '10's I give become the standard by which their other works are to be judged.
Vanity is a powerful influence on our lives. It is often hard to accept that perhaps not everything we do will be well received. C'est la Vie...[probably stuffed that up...my French courses were over, 33 years ago]...
mormegil
Reply #78 Monday, April 28, 2003 4:53 PM
Reply #78 Monday, April 28, 2003 4:53 PM
Them are words of wisdom Hus, and I dont just say that becuse you said that about the Toon skin. I only rate what I beleave, and I dont do it ofton. I dont mind if you dont like my work. I do it for me. If people like my stuff then thats OK with me. If thay dont, thay dont. People should not rate things low to be spitefull, but if I get a 1 on the toon suite, then that is the right of the person who gave it to me to give. All I would hope is that it is their honest judgement.
DarkMist
Reply #79 Monday, April 28, 2003 5:18 PM
Reply #79 Monday, April 28, 2003 5:18 PM
Thank you jafo...In the end i don't complain cause im not doing this to be noticed as great or to be popular or whatever, i do this cause i enjoy it, i find it fun being 'creative' in a way that i can, I'll upload what i find is good to me, if it gets accepted then great i get to share it with you..(yes some i have uploaded isn't great but don't forget im just a learner)...we have people saying the rates are unfair blah blah but remember your work is what i and others are learning from so is that itself not something to smile about?? We don't all have the same taste in things so yes some are going to say its bad when others argue its great but that happens in everything, if your happy with your work and are good enough to have it accepted then enjoy that, enjoy knowing that the download counts more than a silly rating, I'll stop my banter now and just have fun in what your doing...to take it too serious you'll just self destruct. We all have our good and bad
Angel_Wings
Reply #80 Monday, April 28, 2003 5:52 PM
Reply #80 Monday, April 28, 2003 5:52 PM
AMEN, Jafo and Dark! 
I do think with wallpapers it's a different sitch because wall authors don't even get out of the 'gate' on initial submission to the 'general public' without at least a 7 rating...I think?
Mormegil, I love your new skin but I haven't rated it as yet because it won't resize the windows horizontally but I didn't want to mention it on your actual skin and perhaps make people think twice about it since it's an EXCELLENT skin and the graphics are just so beautiful and pure. Interestingly enough, I found this very same situation when trying to do a skin with side-bar transparencies and suddenly I couldn't horizontally resize. I don't know if this is something 'new' because I now use WB4 and haven't tested it on 3.etc.
Sorry, guess I went off topic.
I do think with wallpapers it's a different sitch because wall authors don't even get out of the 'gate' on initial submission to the 'general public' without at least a 7 rating...I think?
Mormegil, I love your new skin but I haven't rated it as yet because it won't resize the windows horizontally but I didn't want to mention it on your actual skin and perhaps make people think twice about it since it's an EXCELLENT skin and the graphics are just so beautiful and pure. Interestingly enough, I found this very same situation when trying to do a skin with side-bar transparencies and suddenly I couldn't horizontally resize. I don't know if this is something 'new' because I now use WB4 and haven't tested it on 3.etc.
Sorry, guess I went off topic.
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Reply #61 Monday, April 28, 2003 2:44 PM
Let's just take his word for it that this was simply a misunderstanding and leave it at that. I'm sure the ratings debate will continue apace anyway...