Please, do something about it!
Monday, April 28, 2003 by adni18 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Some full of complex person, is giving low rates to all the wallpapers in general.
What kind of person is this???
Why we give to this kind of persons the authority to think that they are Gods?
I am sure that those persons are not able to draw not even a line!
This behavior is sending away all the authors from WinCustomize!
Is this what they want to do? Send away the authors from WinCustomize?
Someone has to do something about it!
We can't allow any John or Jane to have opinion about the work of Picasso; of course, they can have their opinion, but in this case counts much, because only those people are giving the 90% of the rates!!!
I know there is not any Picasso among us, but there are many John and Jane's, if you know what I mean...
Please do something about it, before it will be too late!
What kind of person is this???
Why we give to this kind of persons the authority to think that they are Gods?
I am sure that those persons are not able to draw not even a line!
This behavior is sending away all the authors from WinCustomize!
Is this what they want to do? Send away the authors from WinCustomize?
Someone has to do something about it!
We can't allow any John or Jane to have opinion about the work of Picasso; of course, they can have their opinion, but in this case counts much, because only those people are giving the 90% of the rates!!!
I know there is not any Picasso among us, but there are many John and Jane's, if you know what I mean...
Please do something about it, before it will be too late!
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Jafo
Reply #2 Monday, April 28, 2003 6:49 AM
Reply #2 Monday, April 28, 2003 6:49 AM
Nikos..I did a quick run through the most recent 20 walls....the lowest rating on any was a 5, the highest a 10.
If there were ones and twos there'd be more chance of something 'odd' but 5 to 10 is a common spread...always has been...
There is no specific 'trend' in the ratings of those 20...not in 'down-grading', anyway...if anything perhaps the opposite.
If there were ones and twos there'd be more chance of something 'odd' but 5 to 10 is a common spread...always has been...
There is no specific 'trend' in the ratings of those 20...not in 'down-grading', anyway...if anything perhaps the opposite.
Jafo
Reply #3 Monday, April 28, 2003 6:51 AM
Reply #3 Monday, April 28, 2003 6:51 AM
pictoratus...I'll look into yours...see if anything is 'wrong' there...
paxx
Reply #4 Monday, April 28, 2003 6:57 AM
Reply #4 Monday, April 28, 2003 6:57 AM
adni, if you have specific names of users that you suspect of always rating low everybody, please email me his username, I'll look it up.
Jafo
Reply #5 Monday, April 28, 2003 6:57 AM
Reply #5 Monday, April 28, 2003 6:57 AM
pictoratus....it wasn't anyone who commented...I 'adjusted' the rating a little...and added a new name to my 'watch 'im' list...in case he/she does this to a pattern....
pjpowell
Reply #6 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:01 AM
Reply #6 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:01 AM
What is the point of having ratings if people are only allowed to rate things they like? And only rate highly? It does not give a true picture at all of public opinion which is ahwta it is supposed to be about as far as I can see. You have to realise people are different. Some people like swirly bryce. Some people don't. If I were to rate walls as I truely feel I would probably be demoted from being a journeyman almost instantly at the request of all the wall artists. One reason why people don't rate more in my opinion is because all is fine while they are rating high but as soon as someone rates low people jump on them. These aren't even that low according to Jafo. If someone was rating everything with a 1 I could see it but it appears from what Jafo said they are not. I personally think that ratings and comments should be linked so a rating can only be given with a comment. Then there is some sort of accountability and discussions like this would be easier to resolve as patterns would be easier to spot.
paxx
Reply #8 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:03 AM
Reply #8 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:03 AM
pictoratus, indeed somebody rated your skin very low. I did a quick check up on his past ratings and there doesn't seem to be a trend. He has rated some skins very high, some average and some quite low.
It sadly just seems to be a case of "can't please everybody all the time" kinda thing. Sorry.
It sadly just seems to be a case of "can't please everybody all the time" kinda thing. Sorry.
eieio
Reply #9 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:04 AM
Reply #9 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:04 AM
Thanks, Jafo 
I didn't worry about too much, there always seems to be one spoilsport in every crowd
I'm sure if that person repeats his pattern, it will come back on him/her
I didn't worry about too much, there always seems to be one spoilsport in every crowd
I'm sure if that person repeats his pattern, it will come back on him/her
eieio
Reply #10 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:06 AM
Reply #10 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:06 AM
paxx, thanks
Hey, it's always nice to know you have room for improvement
Hey, it's always nice to know you have room for improvement
paxx
Reply #11 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:07 AM
Reply #11 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:07 AM
pjpowell, I agree, but there are sad people in this world. Some low life people ALWAYS rate low and never seem to like anything. One has to wonder why they bother coming here then. Some people actually rate low "threatening" skins, the ones that are most likely to be more popular than their own. Such people do not belong here and when we identify them (we do catch a few once in a while) we give them strong warnings. Usually they stop when they realise we can spot them.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #12 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:09 AM
Reply #12 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:09 AM
Ratings have always been a sore point. The best solution would be to loose the anonymity of rating. If people rate something they should put their name to it.
I noticed my last skin, rated at 10 for months, suddenly dropped to 8 - not that I care but a little odd
I noticed my last skin, rated at 10 for months, suddenly dropped to 8 - not that I care but a little odd
White_Moth
Reply #13 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:14 AM
Reply #13 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:14 AM
Adni18, as you are well aware, your work on this site has always been among the best.
Those of us who know you, know this.
Ratings to me are unimportant simply because they will never reflect the truth of anything.
Keep up your good work, and know that WE know your the BEST.
Those of us who know you, know this.
Ratings to me are unimportant simply because they will never reflect the truth of anything.
Keep up your good work, and know that WE know your the BEST.
Jafo
Reply #14 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:15 AM
Reply #14 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:15 AM
pictoratus....yes, that's the idea of being able to check....to determine if and when there is an abuse of privilege.
Not everyone can actually rate, so it is incumbent on those who can to be fair and responsible. Sure personal tastes vary but that not-withstanding, it is not rocket-science to determine trends that are out of kilter with the norm...
Not everyone can actually rate, so it is incumbent on those who can to be fair and responsible. Sure personal tastes vary but that not-withstanding, it is not rocket-science to determine trends that are out of kilter with the norm...
adni18
Reply #15 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:25 AM
Reply #15 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:25 AM
I am visiting in daily basis many times WinCustomize and allow me to know what is going on Paul.
I am sorry paxx, I suspect which may be the responsibles of those ratings, but this can't give me the right to say any names, but from many e-mails that I have from other very gifted authors, they are very bothered about it, as I am too!
Look at my latest wall "Seed" no 1 in downloads now and tell me how from 10 it is having 7 now and if it deserve it. Maybe, after one hour will have 6 and nobody from the visitors may be able to see it!!! Not that I care or I am expecting something to be change, but it is too much for someone like me and if this is going to continue, just give me a reason to go on!
It happens to all my wallpapers lately, they start from 10 and end up with 7 or 6.
What a great way to say thank you for all my work and the 5.000.000 downloads.
I am sorry paxx, I suspect which may be the responsibles of those ratings, but this can't give me the right to say any names, but from many e-mails that I have from other very gifted authors, they are very bothered about it, as I am too!
Look at my latest wall "Seed" no 1 in downloads now and tell me how from 10 it is having 7 now and if it deserve it. Maybe, after one hour will have 6 and nobody from the visitors may be able to see it!!! Not that I care or I am expecting something to be change, but it is too much for someone like me and if this is going to continue, just give me a reason to go on!
It happens to all my wallpapers lately, they start from 10 and end up with 7 or 6.
What a great way to say thank you for all my work and the 5.000.000 downloads.
adni18
Reply #16 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:28 AM
Reply #16 Monday, April 28, 2003 7:28 AM
"Such people do not belong here and when we identify them (we do catch a few once in a while) we give them strong warnings. Usually they stop when they realise we can spot them."
That is a great idea paxx!!!
Thank you very much for the support sagire
That is a great idea paxx!!!
Thank you very much for the support sagire
KarmaGirl
Reply #17 Monday, April 28, 2003 9:15 AM
Reply #17 Monday, April 28, 2003 9:15 AM
Adni,
It's easy to explain.
Since you are a "Master" your uploads are not moderated. They are uploaded with a default "6". the next real rating that you get will be the start rating. In this case (For Seed), it was a "10". You then received the following: 4, 7, 7, 10, 8, 10 Which then averages to the current "8". There is nothing that I see that is out of line. Obviously, the person that rated it a four just simply didn't like the wall (which is their opinion). There are no malicious signs in the ratings. If there were a bunch of 3 or belows from the same person in your ratings, then we would look into it, but that does not appear to be the case. Ratings are a matter of opinion. Not everyone will like your stuff, while others will love it.
It's easy to explain.
Since you are a "Master" your uploads are not moderated. They are uploaded with a default "6". the next real rating that you get will be the start rating. In this case (For Seed), it was a "10". You then received the following: 4, 7, 7, 10, 8, 10 Which then averages to the current "8". There is nothing that I see that is out of line. Obviously, the person that rated it a four just simply didn't like the wall (which is their opinion). There are no malicious signs in the ratings. If there were a bunch of 3 or belows from the same person in your ratings, then we would look into it, but that does not appear to be the case. Ratings are a matter of opinion. Not everyone will like your stuff, while others will love it.
skinnaboy
Reply #18 Monday, April 28, 2003 9:55 AM
Reply #18 Monday, April 28, 2003 9:55 AM
I could care less about ratings... all I care about is the art. And its nice if others get injoyment from it.... thats all I care about.
robsvoyage
Reply #19 Monday, April 28, 2003 10:24 AM
Reply #19 Monday, April 28, 2003 10:24 AM
Guys, why have ratings at all??? Just comments for any errors found would be sufficient, don't you think? Each to their own, I say...
wulfn1
Reply #20 Monday, April 28, 2003 10:42 AM
Reply #20 Monday, April 28, 2003 10:42 AM
Are the ratings that very important? I rarely use the ratings, unless I feel exceptionally moved by a piece. I prefer to let the author know I liked their product. if I don't like it, I don't comment or download. If it's "eh" I don't comment nor do I download.I think quite a few of us use this "rule of thumb". If ratings are very important I'll begin to make sure I mark each one I view,I'm only one ,but if there's alot of us doing the same thing and we start rating everything, we as a whole can change the ratings.
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Reply #1 Monday, April 28, 2003 6:43 AM
However, if the low ratings by a person or persons is causing some people to leave, that is not good since it will only decrease the quality of work that is seen here. I would have to agree with adni18 on this.