Some Mac site ripped Dangeruss :(
Wednesday, April 16, 2003 by plainsong | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I'm ashamed of my people - he didn't even bother to change the text in the wp.
http://www.macsnaps.com/view.php?type=desktop&id=129&clear=1050525117
http://www.macsnaps.com/view.php?type=desktop&id=129&clear=1050525117
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grayhaze
Reply #122 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:56 AM
Reply #122 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:56 AM
They also gave free rides in that Ferrari to all their friends without telling them it was a stolen vehicle. Who knows how many people currently have that wallpaper on their Mac desktop thinking it was made by a person called 'Devianart.com'? You can't really blame them for not knowing, but you can make damn sure they're informed of the crime their 'friend' has made them a part of.
BoXXi
Reply #123 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:58 AM
Reply #123 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:58 AM
Going in with screams of rip which weren't true were unfair. He did not rip, he only posted a piece of artwork by another author without consent.
Rip: Posting a piece of artwork without the authors consent.
You are laughable!
Rip: Posting a piece of artwork without the authors consent.
You are laughable!
Jafo
Reply #124 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:59 AM
Reply #124 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:59 AM
YouJi...if it were a screenshot of a desktop that just happened to have Russ's tank on it....partly obscured by icons and other 'junk' it would have been 'fair-use' and quite legal.
The mechanics of the Internet is that generally if you can see an image you can download a copy of it in one form or another and it's on your hard-drive, from a source unauthorised by the original artist, and most usually without any form of genuine credit to its origin and author.
That wall being made available for download means the Ferrari was actually no longer in the car lot, and not only that, the compliance plate was removed along with the number plates.
If mac15 had asked I think it's a safe bet that Dangeruss would have chucked him the keys and said 'sure, take it for a spin and show your friends....scratch it and you buy me another'...and that would be that.
But it wasn't....
The mechanics of the Internet is that generally if you can see an image you can download a copy of it in one form or another and it's on your hard-drive, from a source unauthorised by the original artist, and most usually without any form of genuine credit to its origin and author.
That wall being made available for download means the Ferrari was actually no longer in the car lot, and not only that, the compliance plate was removed along with the number plates.
If mac15 had asked I think it's a safe bet that Dangeruss would have chucked him the keys and said 'sure, take it for a spin and show your friends....scratch it and you buy me another'...and that would be that.
But it wasn't....
GregBN
Reply #125 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:03 AM
Reply #125 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:03 AM
Hey grayhaze, cut me some slack. I did say I didn't believe that far-fetched twisted thing 
Boxxi,
I know all that. No, it's not right, and no one should stop fighting. I think I mentioned that in one of my posts. Thing is, there're too many factors that play into too many things. Should capital punishment have been used on a child who killed? Capital punishment is used on adults who killed.
Same crime, murder, but different results/punishment.
However, I believe every indivdual is different, and you treat all situations differently with one common goal: to bring this person to an understanding that once may be forgivable, but the second time may cause him/her to gain a bit of pain.
I'm not trying to cut Dangeruss's credit in half, oh no... I would never have thought of it. I, however, see it as a piece of work admired/liked by many others... and it adds to Dangeruss's accomplishments, however wrongly the appreciation was carried out.
Good work wouldn't be stolen, but stealing isn't right either. How many good artists do you know face up against stolen work all the time? I'm sure all of you who have shared your opinions have. Now, you're good enough people want to copy you. That to me is a small compliment, but a wrong way to present a compliment.
In this case, I prefer to have people go gentle. If they're just morons who steal for fun, hey, be my guest, unleash the wrath of all artists out there on them. Skin them alive, boil them in oil, I'm sure the Chinese have some books out there describing the ways of torture you can perform.
Boxxi,
I know all that. No, it's not right, and no one should stop fighting. I think I mentioned that in one of my posts. Thing is, there're too many factors that play into too many things. Should capital punishment have been used on a child who killed? Capital punishment is used on adults who killed.
Same crime, murder, but different results/punishment.
However, I believe every indivdual is different, and you treat all situations differently with one common goal: to bring this person to an understanding that once may be forgivable, but the second time may cause him/her to gain a bit of pain.
I'm not trying to cut Dangeruss's credit in half, oh no... I would never have thought of it. I, however, see it as a piece of work admired/liked by many others... and it adds to Dangeruss's accomplishments, however wrongly the appreciation was carried out.
Good work wouldn't be stolen, but stealing isn't right either. How many good artists do you know face up against stolen work all the time? I'm sure all of you who have shared your opinions have. Now, you're good enough people want to copy you. That to me is a small compliment, but a wrong way to present a compliment.
In this case, I prefer to have people go gentle. If they're just morons who steal for fun, hey, be my guest, unleash the wrath of all artists out there on them. Skin them alive, boil them in oil, I'm sure the Chinese have some books out there describing the ways of torture you can perform.
grayhaze
Reply #126 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:07 AM
Reply #126 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:07 AM
Are you suggesting that a child who killed should just be slapped on the wrist and sent on his way until the next time he killed, at which point we should hurt him? Hmmm...
Anyway.
Anyway.
GregBN
Reply #127 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:08 AM
Reply #127 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:08 AM
No, children trialed as a juvenile go to prison too, you know. Nevermind, bad example. Shouldn't have used a life/death situation here.
It's 8am. I've got to get ready and head to my class in an hour. I'll talk to you guys later.
It's 8am. I've got to get ready and head to my class in an hour. I'll talk to you guys later.
BoXXi
Reply #128 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:15 AM
Reply #128 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:15 AM
O.K., I have reached the conclusion that you are completely oblivious to anything anyone is saying to you, so, I will not post anything else in this thread. Suffice to say, if anyone uses my work in the same way, I will chase them down, and if necessary, I will sue them for breach of copyright. I have the financial resources to do so, and I would not lose the suit.
The operative words here are "my works", mine, they belong to me, I created them, I will decide what happens to them, where they are posted, and what they are used for. Simple!. The methods we use to protect our work are irrelevant in this case, about as irrelevant as you "murder" analogy. You constantly contradict yourself in all your posts, so, if you don't know what you mean, how can you possibly expect the rest of us to respect your contradictory opinions? Sheesh!
The operative words here are "my works", mine, they belong to me, I created them, I will decide what happens to them, where they are posted, and what they are used for. Simple!. The methods we use to protect our work are irrelevant in this case, about as irrelevant as you "murder" analogy. You constantly contradict yourself in all your posts, so, if you don't know what you mean, how can you possibly expect the rest of us to respect your contradictory opinions? Sheesh!
moshi
Reply #130 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:29 AM
Reply #130 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:29 AM
just curious: has there ever been a lawsuit on ripping skins or wallpapers?
grayhaze
Reply #131 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:33 AM
Reply #131 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:33 AM
Not to my knowledge moshi. I think the majority of known cases of ripping are solved by the methods we're talking about. It's only a matter of time though before someone with the monetary resources to do so skips the polite stage and just issues someone with a lawsuit.
GregBN
Reply #132 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:45 AM
Reply #132 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:45 AM
Suffice to say, if anyone uses my work in the same way, I will chase them down, and if necessary, I will sue them for breach of copyright. I have the financial resources to do so, and I would not lose the suit.
The operative words here are "my works", mine, they belong to me, I created them, I will decide what happens to them, where they are posted, and what they are used for. Simple!.
Quoting Boxxi
Yeah, I agree with that Boxxi. It is your artwork, flame as you see fit. Dangeruss's artwork was stolen, but before he was notified of the theft, a few people decided to go first with the flaming. That was exactly it. If Dangeruss had marched in there wanting to rip the head off the person, he has every right to. It is his right to defend his, just as it is your right to defend yours. How was I contradicting myself. I said that a few posts back! Then I moved onto the harsh treatment of people who weren't the author, and that was contradicting myself.
I just thought others jumping in there before Dangeruss did was a bit premature. How was that contradicting your comment, I don't know.
If a friend of mine got her artwork posted on someone else's site and she didn't care much for it. If others jumped in there trying to defend her work, wouldn't they look pretty stupid? I've been saying, let the author take her stand first before everyone else jump in. If the author decide to "flame" him, her friends can feel free to do the same. If she doesn't want to bother with it, then that's her business.
Okay, I got my books, I'm out of here. I'll probably not be back too often. One and a half weeks to go before school is out for me. That means finals. Have a good time.
Wow, wild night.
The operative words here are "my works", mine, they belong to me, I created them, I will decide what happens to them, where they are posted, and what they are used for. Simple!.
Quoting Boxxi
Yeah, I agree with that Boxxi. It is your artwork, flame as you see fit. Dangeruss's artwork was stolen, but before he was notified of the theft, a few people decided to go first with the flaming. That was exactly it. If Dangeruss had marched in there wanting to rip the head off the person, he has every right to. It is his right to defend his, just as it is your right to defend yours. How was I contradicting myself. I said that a few posts back! Then I moved onto the harsh treatment of people who weren't the author, and that was contradicting myself.
I just thought others jumping in there before Dangeruss did was a bit premature. How was that contradicting your comment, I don't know.
If a friend of mine got her artwork posted on someone else's site and she didn't care much for it. If others jumped in there trying to defend her work, wouldn't they look pretty stupid? I've been saying, let the author take her stand first before everyone else jump in. If the author decide to "flame" him, her friends can feel free to do the same. If she doesn't want to bother with it, then that's her business.
Okay, I got my books, I'm out of here. I'll probably not be back too often. One and a half weeks to go before school is out for me. That means finals. Have a good time.
Wow, wild night.
moshi
Reply #133 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:46 AM
Reply #133 Monday, April 21, 2003 6:46 AM
it would be good for the whole scene if there would be such a lawsuit, doubt it will ever happen though (been "a matter of times" since years).
maybe Apple will sue some skin sites one day.
maybe Apple will sue some skin sites one day.
grayhaze
Reply #134 Monday, April 21, 2003 7:47 AM
Reply #134 Monday, April 21, 2003 7:47 AM
How many times does it take Youji? Nobody did any 'flaming'. That's just another misleading term like 'rip' anyway. 'Flaming' is generally taken to mean throwing personal insults at someone on a public message board without just cause. No such insults were made.
The only messages posted on that site were valid claims of theft, and requests to remove the offending item. Obviously some people were a little better in their wording than others, but nobody resorted to the kind of childishness that would constitute 'flaming'. The only person who claims such tactics were used is the person who posted the offending wallpaper, and then subsequently went on to DeviantArt to try and save face by attacking Jafo's character.
I suggest you stop talking about this now, as you clearly have no grasp of the facts and are unwilling to listen to those who were there to see the events unfold. You obviously have some warped picture in your mind of how the whole thing went and are unwilling to have that picture corrected by anyone.
The only messages posted on that site were valid claims of theft, and requests to remove the offending item. Obviously some people were a little better in their wording than others, but nobody resorted to the kind of childishness that would constitute 'flaming'. The only person who claims such tactics were used is the person who posted the offending wallpaper, and then subsequently went on to DeviantArt to try and save face by attacking Jafo's character.
I suggest you stop talking about this now, as you clearly have no grasp of the facts and are unwilling to listen to those who were there to see the events unfold. You obviously have some warped picture in your mind of how the whole thing went and are unwilling to have that picture corrected by anyone.
moshi
Reply #135 Monday, April 21, 2003 9:50 AM
Reply #135 Monday, April 21, 2003 9:50 AM
i always wondered about free fonts that are distributed in "exclusive" pay suites. i´m sure there are permissions for that, but i never see any credits and the original readmes have been removed. have to mail Craig Kroeger and ask him what he thinks about this or if he cares at all.
GregBN
Reply #136 Monday, April 21, 2003 11:00 AM
Reply #136 Monday, April 21, 2003 11:00 AM
grayhaze,
Sorry if I kept using the word flame. I did go back and re-read what Jafo had posted. Yeah, sorry there was no flaming involved. Sorry for accusing so much.
I still stand by letting the original author warning the offender first though and one or two other things, but those aren't important.
I have another class at 1:30. I'm going to leave now and I'll probably be gone for a while. I have lots of finals and I need to start studying for them.
Thanks again.
Sorry if I kept using the word flame. I did go back and re-read what Jafo had posted. Yeah, sorry there was no flaming involved. Sorry for accusing so much.
I still stand by letting the original author warning the offender first though and one or two other things, but those aren't important.
I have another class at 1:30. I'm going to leave now and I'll probably be gone for a while. I have lots of finals and I need to start studying for them.
Thanks again.
bakerstreet
Reply #138 Monday, April 21, 2003 11:45 AM
Reply #138 Monday, April 21, 2003 11:45 AM
I gave up on this one about 5 am EST. If it wasn't reasoned in, it can't be reasoned out...
Jafo
Reply #139 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:18 PM
Reply #139 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:18 PM
GregBN.....about bloody time, too....
Jafo was waiting for reality to bite....the biggest insult was the accusation of a lack of professionalism or 'flaming' which was unwarranted.
As to whether the author should have first 'go' at complaining or not, perhaps seek the author's opinion...what is better? Prompt removal to minimize damage or wait an indeterminate time to shut the door after the horse has bolted?
As baker said, it 'can't be reasoned out'.
Just be aware that the policy is prompt response, and it will not change.
Jafo was waiting for reality to bite....the biggest insult was the accusation of a lack of professionalism or 'flaming' which was unwarranted.
As to whether the author should have first 'go' at complaining or not, perhaps seek the author's opinion...what is better? Prompt removal to minimize damage or wait an indeterminate time to shut the door after the horse has bolted?
As baker said, it 'can't be reasoned out'.
Just be aware that the policy is prompt response, and it will not change.
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Reply #121 Monday, April 21, 2003 5:52 AM