hydrogen-powered car VS diesel
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 by joetheblow | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Someone tell me why million of government money is going into hydrogen-powered car when a diesel cars is very effiecent with fuel and pollution? I know hydrogen-powered car is better, but here and now couldn't we start to change over to diesel?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/08/automobiles/08AUTO.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/08/automobiles/08AUTO.html
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kona0197
Reply #62 Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:33 AM
Reply #62 Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:33 AM
jeez IPlural. It seems sometimes that Jafo is so mean. Reminds me of a 5 year old I know. I hate smarta** comments.
kona0197
Reply #63 Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:34 AM
Reply #63 Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:34 AM
I was just trying to put my two cents in without getting my head chopped off. But thanks IPlural, you are so cool.
kona0197
Reply #65 Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:22 AM
Reply #65 Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:22 AM
Yep. I act like i'm five for at least 30 minutes a day. usually when the wives cooking. 
KarmaGirl
Reply #66 Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:51 AM
Reply #66 Sunday, March 16, 2003 10:51 AM
kona0197: "Myself, I'm gonna go buy a hybrid."
How will that help? They don't get any better mileage than a Jetta TDI (the diesel version) currently. (That is in *real* driving conditions. The Car mags can provide you information on that.) If they don't get better gas mileage, that means that they are polluting just as much as the other cars. The technology just isn't there yet. There is a long way to go before hybrids and alternate fuel technology actually makes sense. If people want to quit polluting so much, they should start to car pool more. Or, not drive to work by themselves in a big SUV (none of them are fuel efficient). You wouldn't believe how many times I follow somebody 40+ miles on the x-way who is driving alone in a big SUV doing 70mph. *That* is where the waste is. People don't commute together. It's one person per car. It really is the way we live our lives not the technology that we should focus on in our present life.
How will that help? They don't get any better mileage than a Jetta TDI (the diesel version) currently. (That is in *real* driving conditions. The Car mags can provide you information on that.) If they don't get better gas mileage, that means that they are polluting just as much as the other cars. The technology just isn't there yet. There is a long way to go before hybrids and alternate fuel technology actually makes sense. If people want to quit polluting so much, they should start to car pool more. Or, not drive to work by themselves in a big SUV (none of them are fuel efficient). You wouldn't believe how many times I follow somebody 40+ miles on the x-way who is driving alone in a big SUV doing 70mph. *That* is where the waste is. People don't commute together. It's one person per car. It really is the way we live our lives not the technology that we should focus on in our present life.
da_zman20
Reply #67 Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:02 PM
Reply #67 Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:02 PM
to settle the debate lets look at how a Hybrid works... if I am correct it has a one cylinder gasoline engine that powers an alternator (that is all it is there for), and an electric motor which drives the car. I don't believe that a one ylinder gasoline engine can put the same emissions as a 4 cylinder diesel, but I may be wrong, i don't consider myself an expert on this. Also this gasonline engine is never under a load. No matter how fast you go it is always turning at the same speed... but I also could be wrong...
as for the battle on god... I agree with Kona, but I also agree with Jafo, The bible mostly just says we were created it didn't mention evolution or not, I believe we were created, but it several stages.
and Fuzzy, think maybe the creator is wondering the same thing
as for the battle on god... I agree with Kona, but I also agree with Jafo, The bible mostly just says we were created it didn't mention evolution or not, I believe we were created, but it several stages.
and Fuzzy, think maybe the creator is wondering the same thing
werewolf
Reply #68 Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:47 PM
Reply #68 Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:47 PM
oh come on...everyone knows we are clones of a race of space explorers.
IPlural
Reply #69 Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:28 PM
kona, no, I am far from cool, really really...
I'm an ass who is working on being a good person and at times it gets really hard
Karma, I have to transfer my pst over to this system, when I do I have some info for you... also a name and number with it, though I am not sure it is real or generated, something you might be able to look up though...
mm, unless you could link your ebox here and I can add you that way and send it now?
Reply #69 Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:28 PM
kona, no, I am far from cool, really really...
I'm an ass who is working on being a good person and at times it gets really hard
Karma, I have to transfer my pst over to this system, when I do I have some info for you... also a name and number with it, though I am not sure it is real or generated, something you might be able to look up though...
mm, unless you could link your ebox here and I can add you that way and send it now?
IPlural
Reply #70 Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:31 PM
Reply #70 Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:31 PM
werewolf actually that is close to something I wonder about at times...
but consider the source and what would one expect
actually that is close to something I wonder about at times...but consider the source and what would one expect
kona0197
Reply #71 Sunday, March 16, 2003 4:22 PM
Reply #71 Sunday, March 16, 2003 4:22 PM
karma - are you telling me that a jetta gets 60 to 90 mpg like the new honda insight? Impossible. Where I live diesel costs more than premium gas. And yes, da_zman, hybrids pollute less.
sig101
Reply #72 Sunday, March 16, 2003 5:33 PM
Reply #72 Sunday, March 16, 2003 5:33 PM
Just some info on what's currently available (where I am anyway):
http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/vehicles/bestpick/default.php?ID=18
http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/vehicles/bestpick/default.php?ID=18
IPlural
Reply #73 Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:57 PM
Reply #73 Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:57 PM
cool sig, thank you, love to read, there is a link up high that I posted from a good site with loads of info on it... in case you missed it...
input !!
I know, we should harness the super massive black hole at the center of our universe, every single one has a SMBH if not more than one, it is the missing black mass of space kinda neat how they found this out, playing around with radio telescopes and found that a certain range the color shift picked up motion and gave them the clues to seek out mroe information until they nailed it down...
talk about power zoom zoom
input !!I know, we should harness the super massive black hole at the center of our universe, every single one has a SMBH if not more than one, it is the missing black mass of space
kinda neat how they found this out, playing around with radio telescopes and found that a certain range the color shift picked up motion and gave them the clues to seek out mroe information until they nailed it down...talk about power
zoom zoom
joetheblow
Reply #74 Monday, March 17, 2003 4:34 AM
hey I just watched a movie (The Black Hole) and when they went into it they came out through the other side. That sounds like a worm hole.
Anyway, isn't a black hole a calapsed star? And being such, that means there is a object there as oppossed to a hole? The collapsed star might be the size of a large planet but nevertheless it still is a substance occupying that space.
Anyway, I haven't done much resource on this yet. Thanks for the link sig101. It is a start.
I just wonder to myself, why can't there be a charger on the brakes? when the brakes are applied, energy is creates by the friction of the wheels that are coming to a stop.
It just seems like the problem should be solved already. I wonder if the lean air buses are really clean air? I usually ride in those buses, and they are surprisingly fast. They sound different too... like generators.
anyoo... back to work.
Reply #74 Monday, March 17, 2003 4:34 AM
hey I just watched a movie (The Black Hole) and when they went into it they came out through the other side. That sounds like a worm hole.
Anyway, isn't a black hole a calapsed star? And being such, that means there is a object there as oppossed to a hole? The collapsed star might be the size of a large planet but nevertheless it still is a substance occupying that space.
Anyway, I haven't done much resource on this yet. Thanks for the link sig101. It is a start.
I just wonder to myself, why can't there be a charger on the brakes? when the brakes are applied, energy is creates by the friction of the wheels that are coming to a stop.
It just seems like the problem should be solved already. I wonder if the lean air buses are really clean air? I usually ride in those buses, and they are surprisingly fast. They sound different too... like generators.
anyoo... back to work.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #75 Monday, March 17, 2003 5:15 AM
Reply #75 Monday, March 17, 2003 5:15 AM
'The Black Hole' used a 'little' artistic licence. A true black hole is a super dense star so compressed it's gravity doesn't allow light to escape. The more dense and massive the star, the greater the gravity. Anything getting close would be pulled in, and pulled to shreds.
Of course, I wouldn't be me if I didn't throw a spanner in the works. According to Einstein's theory of relativity light always travels at the speed of light no matter where you are, what forces are acting, or what speed you are travelling. Therefore, regardless of the gravity of a body light should escape at the speed of light, right? So how can a black hole 'pull down' light? Same problem with gravitational lenses, which supposedly bend light. If a light particle has zero mass how can gravity deflect it.
Oh dear, here I go again...
Of course, I wouldn't be me if I didn't throw a spanner in the works. According to Einstein's theory of relativity light always travels at the speed of light no matter where you are, what forces are acting, or what speed you are travelling. Therefore, regardless of the gravity of a body light should escape at the speed of light, right? So how can a black hole 'pull down' light? Same problem with gravitational lenses, which supposedly bend light. If a light particle has zero mass how can gravity deflect it.
Oh dear, here I go again...
craeonics
Reply #76 Monday, March 17, 2003 5:45 AM
Reply #76 Monday, March 17, 2003 5:45 AM
That's where you go wrong.
The speed of light is not constant. The 3.0*108 m/s is in empty space. In glas for instance, it's somewhere around 2.0*108.
Sooo, does that mean then that the infamous E = mc2 only applies in space? c after all, is the speed of light in space, taken as a constant.
Or have I been staring out of the window too much during Science class.
The speed of light is not constant. The 3.0*108 m/s is in empty space. In glas for instance, it's somewhere around 2.0*108.
Sooo, does that mean then that the infamous E = mc2 only applies in space? c after all, is the speed of light in space, taken as a constant.
Or have I been staring out of the window too much during Science class.
craeonics
Reply #77 Monday, March 17, 2003 5:46 AM
Reply #77 Monday, March 17, 2003 5:46 AM
Hmm, so much for supscripts... 108 ~ 10^8, boys and girls.
craeonics
Reply #78 Monday, March 17, 2003 5:48 AM
Reply #78 Monday, March 17, 2003 5:48 AM
Anyhow, a black hole is called that because it is somewhat indetectable. They can only indirectly prove its existance, since it sucks up all light (and what does not emit or reflect light cannot be seen).
joetheblow
Reply #79 Monday, March 17, 2003 6:12 AM
Reply #79 Monday, March 17, 2003 6:12 AM
I thought black hole do radiate x-rays or something?
The light not excaping always amazed me about a black hole... sooooo if light can not excape and is being pulled into the gravity well, then the gravity of the star acceleration is greater than the speed of light?? and if light is oing into the gravity well, isn't it possible then that light is going twice the spead of itself or greater?
The light not excaping always amazed me about a black hole... sooooo if light can not excape and is being pulled into the gravity well, then the gravity of the star acceleration is greater than the speed of light?? and if light is oing into the gravity well, isn't it possible then that light is going twice the spead of itself or greater?
craeonics
Reply #80 Monday, March 17, 2003 6:48 AM
Reply #80 Monday, March 17, 2003 6:48 AM
Current theory is that a black hole ejects streams of some kind of radiation as its "poles". Not sure whether the thing revolves or not.
Now if a black hole is just a dense chunk of mass with a tremendous gravity field and light can get caught by a black hole, then light must have a mass?
As for the "sacred" speed of light barrier, that has never flown with me. No matter what my science teacher said.
Now if a black hole is just a dense chunk of mass with a tremendous gravity field and light can get caught by a black hole, then light must have a mass?
As for the "sacred" speed of light barrier, that has never flown with me. No matter what my science teacher said.
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Reply #61 Sunday, March 16, 2003 7:15 AM