hydrogen-powered car VS diesel
Wednesday, March 12, 2003 by joetheblow | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Someone tell me why million of government money is going into hydrogen-powered car when a diesel cars is very effiecent with fuel and pollution? I know hydrogen-powered car is better, but here and now couldn't we start to change over to diesel?
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/08/automobiles/08AUTO.html
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IPlural
Reply #42 Friday, March 14, 2003 2:07 PM
Reply #42 Friday, March 14, 2003 2:07 PM
yes it is, but it is more that there is a limited supply of it...
yes, future for sure...
but it is something they wshould be funding in a serious way now...
along with other things
yes, future for sure...
but it is something they wshould be funding in a serious way now...
along with other things
KarmaGirl
Reply #43 Friday, March 14, 2003 3:36 PM
Reply #43 Friday, March 14, 2003 3:36 PM
paxx, I would *love* to do that. But, it's not an option. there is *no* public transportation where I live. That's one of the problems that a lot of people over look. Not everywhere has those resources.
Aqua.
Reply #44 Friday, March 14, 2003 3:49 PM
Reply #44 Friday, March 14, 2003 3:49 PM
Same problem here as KarmaGirl. There are city busses, but they only go from downtown, to the mall area, to the poorest neighborhoods. It's basically there so that the poor people can get to work, but it's not a transportation system for the entire city.
Aqua.
Reply #45 Friday, March 14, 2003 3:51 PM
Reply #45 Friday, March 14, 2003 3:51 PM
However, when I lived in State College (Penn State Univ.), there was a very comprehensive bus system and I used it all the time. There were only a few places I needed a car to get to during the work week (the bus routes and times changed and reduced drastically on weekends, making you need a car then).
da_zman20
Reply #46 Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:54 PM
Reply #46 Saturday, March 15, 2003 1:54 PM
Just want to put in my input... diesel engines and gas engines run very differently... and reason (I beilieve) that diesel gets better gas mileage is the ay the engine works, when diesel gas burns, diesel engines don't have spark plugs, and compress the gas until it explodes... with a few strange tradeoffs compared to a gasoline engine... like higher levels of torque, in comparison to the horsepower... it's a much smoother engine...
But I would love to see the hydrogen car, over time people would find easier ways to produce hydrogen I believe... GM has a an awesome car out right now... with a digital display instead of a stearing wheel (that's what got me).. and the display switches from left to right for people driving in different countries (whooo hooo, not that I've ever left California) it looks awesome... also... Ford has several Natural Gas powered cars... they actually converted the Mustang 4.6l engine to work off of Natural gas... what a project! but it works, i've driven it... I drove a propane powered Crown Victoria, felt like any normal car... but I don't know how it will do on the market... the car only gets 80 miles on a full tank of propane right now... so we'll see how things develop...
The idea of electric cars has always sounded good to me... but well... no one seems to like that idea anymore... 
But I would love to see the hydrogen car, over time people would find easier ways to produce hydrogen I believe... GM has a an awesome car out right now... with a digital display instead of a stearing wheel (that's what got me).. and the display switches from left to right for people driving in different countries (whooo hooo, not that I've ever left California) it looks awesome... also... Ford has several Natural Gas powered cars... they actually converted the Mustang 4.6l engine to work off of Natural gas... what a project! but it works, i've driven it... I drove a propane powered Crown Victoria, felt like any normal car... but I don't know how it will do on the market... the car only gets 80 miles on a full tank of propane right now... so we'll see how things develop...
The idea of electric cars has always sounded good to me... but well... no one seems to like that idea anymore... 
Aqua.
Reply #47 Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:29 PM
Reply #47 Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:29 PM
I've driven some of the newer gas/electric hybrids. I actually like them more than regular cars [smile] MUCH quieter and *surprise* they actually accelerated harder from a stop than my regular car can. The guy said something about electrically augmented acceleration.
Jafo
Reply #48 Saturday, March 15, 2003 8:19 PM
Reply #48 Saturday, March 15, 2003 8:19 PM
I may be a GrandPrix/MotoGP/Superbike nut but I currently have 10 bicycles....2 of which are my own design/construction...of the 32 wheels in the house, 3 were not built by me, and only two of the remainder did not need custom spoke cutting/rolling.
I work one room down the hall from where I sleep....and can cycle into the heart of Melbourne in less than 15 minutes.
My car is lucky to make 6000km per year, but when it does it's a little '87 Corolla 1600, not a V10 Dodge Viper. I once managed an average of 44mpg out of my old 1340cc Triump Spitfire, though I must admit at one stage I had a Valiant [Chrysler] Charger...which was a wee bit thirstier...
I work one room down the hall from where I sleep....and can cycle into the heart of Melbourne in less than 15 minutes.
My car is lucky to make 6000km per year, but when it does it's a little '87 Corolla 1600, not a V10 Dodge Viper. I once managed an average of 44mpg out of my old 1340cc Triump Spitfire, though I must admit at one stage I had a Valiant [Chrysler] Charger...which was a wee bit thirstier...
kona0197
Reply #50 Sunday, March 16, 2003 4:17 AM
Reply #50 Sunday, March 16, 2003 4:17 AM
In response to post #37
Hey Aqua do you really think nature cleans the crap that we spew out of our tailpipes and our factories everday? Is that why we have the greenhouse effect and why the ozone layer is being depleted?
Ever watched the matrix?
Well aqua (or should I call you neo) wake up and look around you. We are destroying this planet in the name of progress and money.
Wake up Neo...
Hey Aqua do you really think nature cleans the crap that we spew out of our tailpipes and our factories everday? Is that why we have the greenhouse effect and why the ozone layer is being depleted?
Ever watched the matrix?
Well aqua (or should I call you neo) wake up and look around you. We are destroying this planet in the name of progress and money.
Wake up Neo...
kona0197
Reply #51 Sunday, March 16, 2003 4:20 AM
Reply #51 Sunday, March 16, 2003 4:20 AM
And just for the record, yes nuclear waste is a problem but there is a way to reuse the waste. When we use nuclear power we split the atom creating the waste. We need to learn to do what the sun does and figure out how to put it back together. For now we just bury it. That's alot better than the black smoke coming from the factories or cars.
IPlural
Reply #52 Sunday, March 16, 2003 5:39 AM
Reply #52 Sunday, March 16, 2003 5:39 AM
oh we have screwed the pooch already, the planet will not recover in our life time that is for sure...
Kona, do you know what the Atlantic and Pacific Conveyors are? What they are and how they function, what they do to the weather patterns, control the seasonal changes, exactly how cold it is or hot?
Exactly what it would take to destroy one or both of them and what it would in fact do to the planet if such happens?
Or the history of the reversal of the electromagnetic fields of the planet and how when ( not if but when) it shifts again it will in fact tip the axis of the planet by at least 6 degrees of not. Consider this one fact, the human body and all living things are basically batteries with their own magnetic fields... who knows, primordial soup, back to the beginning? 
Or the fact that the oceans were not salt water at the beginning, they became so because of the mineral run off from land, and everyone who figured it is ok to bury trash, toxic and all, is really doing more damage than they ever seemed to think they have, either that or they are so self centered they do not care..
anyway...
my wife gets upset with me when she happens to wash my pants and such because I refuse to throw my cig butts on the ground, I knock the cherry off and then put the butt in my pocket to throw out later in the trash...
Kona, do you know what the Atlantic and Pacific Conveyors are? What they are and how they function, what they do to the weather patterns, control the seasonal changes, exactly how cold it is or hot?
Exactly what it would take to destroy one or both of them and what it would in fact do to the planet if such happens?
Or the history of the reversal of the electromagnetic fields of the planet and how when ( not if but when) it shifts again it will in fact tip the axis of the planet by at least 6 degrees of not. Consider this one fact, the human body and all living things are basically batteries with their own magnetic fields...
who knows, primordial soup, back to the beginning? 
Or the fact that the oceans were not salt water at the beginning, they became so because of the mineral run off from land, and everyone who figured it is ok to bury trash, toxic and all, is really doing more damage than they ever seemed to think they have, either that or they are so self centered they do not care..
anyway...
my wife gets upset with me when she happens to wash my pants and such because I refuse to throw my cig butts on the ground, I knock the cherry off and then put the butt in my pocket to throw out later in the trash...
kona0197
Reply #53 Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:06 AM
Reply #53 Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:06 AM
First of all I do not subscibe to that evolution thing. I believe (As a good number of scientists are now agreeing with and finding out) that we were created. Second, you make a valid point. Everything on earth needs the sun to live. Without the sun = nuclear winter. Everything dies.
My wife hates the fact I smoke. But I pop my cherry in the ashtray then but the butt next to it and sometimes the butts catch fire.
My wife hates the fact I smoke. But I pop my cherry in the ashtray then but the butt next to it and sometimes the butts catch fire.
Jafo
Reply #56 Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:48 AM
Reply #56 Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:48 AM
Oh dear.....we were 'created'.
Darwin got it wrong again.
Perhaps some were 'created' like Dolly the sheep....but I'm quite happy in the knowledge that I evolved....sorta birth/death/natural selection - that sort of thing.
Some people call it pro-creation, or [gasp shock horror] 'sex'....but I could be wrong.....
Darwin got it wrong again.
Perhaps some were 'created' like Dolly the sheep....but I'm quite happy in the knowledge that I evolved....sorta birth/death/natural selection - that sort of thing.
Some people call it pro-creation, or [gasp shock horror] 'sex'....but I could be wrong.....
kona0197
Reply #57 Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:50 AM
Reply #57 Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:50 AM
I really don't want to get in any argument so I will just drop the subject about creation. Myself, I'm gonna go buy a hybrid.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #58 Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:51 AM
Reply #58 Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:51 AM
Hmmmm, if someone did the creating, who created the creator? Or am I missing something...
kona0197
Reply #59 Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:56 AM
Reply #59 Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:56 AM
who cares? everyone believes in something. I don't want to turn this into a big debate so I'll keep my beliefs to myself.
kona0197
Reply #60 Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:58 AM
Reply #60 Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:58 AM
decides my mouse and keyboard are making me mad. Guess its sleepy time.
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Reply #41 Friday, March 14, 2003 2:00 PM
I agree that it could be a good fuel, but that's for the distant future, not as a solution for immediate problems.