Default 6 Ratings
Tuesday, February 18, 2003 by citats | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I have read in the past that if a skin is not actually rated. It receives a 6 rating...
Is this so?
and if so, is it possible to just leave the skin as unrated instead of the default 6. Or would that mess with the way downloads are controlled? I know that unregistered users can only download an 8 or higher.
Although some users don't care about the ratings and say they are over rated...
Many users, use these ratings to help them find skins that are perceived as a notch above. 
what do you think?
Is this so?
and if so, is it possible to just leave the skin as unrated instead of the default 6. Or would that mess with the way downloads are controlled? I know that unregistered users can only download an 8 or higher.
Although some users don't care about the ratings and say they are over rated...
Many users, use these ratings to help them find skins that are perceived as a notch above. 
what do you think?
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Delicious
Reply #42 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:12 AM
Reply #42 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:12 AM
The lubrication was not directed to the admins.
BTW that was a true story about my last job.
But back to this..
5 10 2 5 1
Do I understand that 5 ppl rated this skin?
If that is correct then doesn't it seem my point about the bias rating is evident by the 10 and the 1 rating.
BTW that was a true story about my last job.
But back to this..
5 10 2 5 1
Do I understand that 5 ppl rated this skin?
If that is correct then doesn't it seem my point about the bias rating is evident by the 10 and the 1 rating.
Chef Garry
Reply #43 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:21 AM
Reply #43 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:21 AM
Sigh. I understand you've put a lot of effort into your work and are concerned about how it is viewed. This comes up over and over again - as Jafo said, the topic gets a tad tiresome.
Now that I've offended you completely (but unintentionally), I should point out that the only people that seem to be concerned about ratings is the artist, at least in my opinion and from what I've seen. If I like it, I use it. If not, I don't. Not liking a work doesn't mean I think badly of it, just that it doesn't suit my taste.
Try to get past your concern about ratings. They really are largely meaningless and should in no way be taken as a personal attack. Even less be concerned about other's ratings. Why care?
Now that I've offended you completely (but unintentionally), I should point out that the only people that seem to be concerned about ratings is the artist, at least in my opinion and from what I've seen. If I like it, I use it. If not, I don't. Not liking a work doesn't mean I think badly of it, just that it doesn't suit my taste.
Try to get past your concern about ratings. They really are largely meaningless and should in no way be taken as a personal attack. Even less be concerned about other's ratings. Why care?
Koasati
Reply #44 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:24 AM
Reply #44 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:24 AM
Sally, ratings are personal opinions, a 10 to you, may be a 4 to me, and a 1 to the next person.
paxx
Reply #45 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:29 AM
Reply #45 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:29 AM
Delicious, you are unfortunately right. Some people are biased when they rate. Some people give high ratings to their friends and low ratings to people they don't like.
The example you stated above is just the perfect example of that. Note that we, admins, have access to information telling us who rated what, and the person who rated the above skin 10 also went about and rated almost ALL your other skins alos with a 10. That, to me, is obvious bias, as you so well said yourself. Seems you got a fan. Other than that 10, above, the other ratings are rather consistant (5, 2, 5, 1).
The example you stated above is just the perfect example of that. Note that we, admins, have access to information telling us who rated what, and the person who rated the above skin 10 also went about and rated almost ALL your other skins alos with a 10. That, to me, is obvious bias, as you so well said yourself. Seems you got a fan. Other than that 10, above, the other ratings are rather consistant (5, 2, 5, 1).
paxx
Reply #46 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:35 AM
Reply #46 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 11:35 AM
OK, I went and dug a bit further. That fan of yours rated 10 everything you have submitted since November 2002. He hasn't rated anything before that, but has rated every single thing of yours since, and gave it a 10.
Delicious
Reply #47 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:33 PM
Reply #47 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:33 PM
In the event anyone sees the ratings Jafo posted and are scratching their head thinking this bottle blonde doesn't know what she is talking about, Let me share a behind the Sally mind set.
When I upload a skin and it gets a 6 rating and I think that is not satisfactory; I delete the skin and re upload it under a new name. Trust me all my skins were a 6 at first.
When I upload a skin and it gets a 6 rating and I think that is not satisfactory; I delete the skin and re upload it under a new name. Trust me all my skins were a 6 at first.
DavidK
Reply #48 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:46 PM
Reply #48 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:46 PM
Please don't delete your skins and reupload them to try to improve your rating. That's a bad idea for several reasons.
I can only speak for myself but when I post a skin, the rating is whatever I feel the skin deserves. I never put an automatic rating to save time, that's silly. After a skin is on the site for a while the rating will change as people leave ratings on it. If you ever feel that a low rating is undeserved or done for an ulterior motive, contact an admin (our names and email addresses are all in the "about" page).
I can only speak for myself but when I post a skin, the rating is whatever I feel the skin deserves. I never put an automatic rating to save time, that's silly. After a skin is on the site for a while the rating will change as people leave ratings on it. If you ever feel that a low rating is undeserved or done for an ulterior motive, contact an admin (our names and email addresses are all in the "about" page).
paxx
Reply #49 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:46 PM
Reply #49 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:46 PM
So what's wrong with a rating of 6?
It's a perfectly fine and average rating and other users eventually increase it or lower it depending on what they think the skin merits.
It's a perfectly fine and average rating and other users eventually increase it or lower it depending on what they think the skin merits.
paxx
Reply #50 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:52 PM
Reply #50 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:52 PM
Besides, Delicious, to be perfectly honest with you, I looked at all your skins and in my opinion they pretty much all call for an average rating.
They way I see it, 6 is the middle of the road. Neither bad nor great. It's OK. 2 or 3 is totaly mediocre; 4 or 5 is bad; 6 is OK; 7 or 8 is great. 9 or 10 is exceptionnal.
They way I see it, 6 is the middle of the road. Neither bad nor great. It's OK. 2 or 3 is totaly mediocre; 4 or 5 is bad; 6 is OK; 7 or 8 is great. 9 or 10 is exceptionnal.
Delicious
Reply #51 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:02 PM
Reply #51 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:02 PM
Ratings are my life's thermometer. I base my entire self image around the ratings I receive.
I know you're probably thinking, that is stupid. But think about it. If you can't succeed in the small things how can you succeed in the larger. Especially when a lot of effort is expended. God knows I spend an extrodinary amount of energy in these rating threads
I know you're probably thinking, that is stupid. But think about it. If you can't succeed in the small things how can you succeed in the larger. Especially when a lot of effort is expended. God knows I spend an extrodinary amount of energy in these rating threads
DavidK
Reply #52 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:04 PM
Reply #52 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:04 PM
I agree with paxx except I think of 5 as being OK and 6 is a bit better than average. For 4 I would say it's 'not bad'.
Being one whose work bypasses moderation I always start with a 6. Usually it stays there. Doesn't bother me at all. If ratings were really important then no site would be a good place to upload your work. Check out the deskmod WB section, the lowest ratings in the whole section (last time I looked) are two of my older skins both of which got high ratings at other sites.
Ratings are over-rated... they shouldn't be taken too seriously.
If anything hurts the credibility of ratings it's that so few people actually rate skins. If more people did it they might be more meaningful.
Being one whose work bypasses moderation I always start with a 6. Usually it stays there. Doesn't bother me at all. If ratings were really important then no site would be a good place to upload your work. Check out the deskmod WB section, the lowest ratings in the whole section (last time I looked) are two of my older skins both of which got high ratings at other sites.
Ratings are over-rated... they shouldn't be taken too seriously.
If anything hurts the credibility of ratings it's that so few people actually rate skins. If more people did it they might be more meaningful.
Delicious
Reply #53 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:11 PM
Reply #53 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:11 PM
paxx and david bring up a good point. There should be a defined scale for the rating system so ppl have a better understanding of the numbers.
Example
1: Give up
2: Don't quit your day job
3: Try again
4: Getting warmer
5: Sitting on the fence
6: Lookin good
7: Needs more salt
8: Almost
9: Woo Hoo
10: Top of the Hill, Cream of the crop
Example
1: Give up
2: Don't quit your day job
3: Try again
4: Getting warmer
5: Sitting on the fence
6: Lookin good
7: Needs more salt
8: Almost
9: Woo Hoo
10: Top of the Hill, Cream of the crop
JamMeister33
Reply #54 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:12 PM
Reply #54 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:12 PM
Now that is the best point in this entire thread, if more people actually took the time to rate the skins it would be much more meaningful than just a few.
DavidK
Reply #55 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:14 PM
Reply #55 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:14 PM
It's real common for a skin to have 30 or 40 comments but only 2 or 3 ratings.
I like your scale Delicious...
I like your scale Delicious...
JamMeister33
Reply #56 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:18 PM
Reply #56 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:18 PM
Personally, if I take the time to comment on a skin, I also rate it....
paxx
Reply #57 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:19 PM
Reply #57 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:19 PM
Yep. Great scale Delicious. Maybe I'll ask Pat (T-Man) to inlcude it in the rating list. 
Koasati
Reply #58 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:32 PM
Reply #58 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:32 PM
Sally, better you never get promoted to the point were your uploads bypass moderation, because then you're stuck with the auto 6 rating.
Jafo
Reply #59 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:41 PM
Reply #59 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:41 PM
Sally it doesn't take rocket science to link the association with 'brown-nosing a boss' and suggestion admin bias.
Post 31 is clearly wrong with regards to the statement "Every skin I have uploaded has received a 6 rating with exception to my last one which got an 8 rating." so the thread topic is flawed.
Do the math. On virtually every work of yours, the individual admin rating equates near enough to the average for that skin. This is a clear indication that, whatever the criteria for the scale of an admin's rating it is not inconsistent with the public perception of that skin as indicated by the subsequent scores.
With regards to a '1' or a '10'....perhaps one person 'hated' your skin because it would not load properly [for them] or they DID have a personal dislike for the artist....conversely, perhaps the '10' was someone adoring the work, or merely adoring the artist.
Either way, you cannot, by your ratings as listed, have grounds to suggest personal bias by the admins against you or your work.
Another [personal] example of 'non-bias'...myself and treetog are good friends...we are both admins...and he is arguably one of the best and most accomplished skinners around. Ask him what's the lowest rating he ever got from me...[I thought that particular work wasn't up to his usual standard] Bias? Not bloody likely from THAT score...
The funny thing is I really don't care about ratings of skins. OK, so why the thread?
Every single time the hackneyed issue of ratings and/or bias is raised, the answer/solution has been that if more people posted 'ratings' on works then a more equitable and accurate indication of a skin's true 'value' would emerge.
The only inherent 'bias' in the system is that if you are at a 'level' that does NOT require moderation then you ONLY get the automatic '6', whereas the rest of the community at least gets ONE valid 'mark' on their work.
Many of mine have had no 'public' rating at all, and therefore no legitimate reflection/indication of their 'standing'....
Post 31 is clearly wrong with regards to the statement "Every skin I have uploaded has received a 6 rating with exception to my last one which got an 8 rating." so the thread topic is flawed.
Do the math. On virtually every work of yours, the individual admin rating equates near enough to the average for that skin. This is a clear indication that, whatever the criteria for the scale of an admin's rating it is not inconsistent with the public perception of that skin as indicated by the subsequent scores.
With regards to a '1' or a '10'....perhaps one person 'hated' your skin because it would not load properly [for them] or they DID have a personal dislike for the artist....conversely, perhaps the '10' was someone adoring the work, or merely adoring the artist.
Either way, you cannot, by your ratings as listed, have grounds to suggest personal bias by the admins against you or your work.
Another [personal] example of 'non-bias'...myself and treetog are good friends...we are both admins...and he is arguably one of the best and most accomplished skinners around. Ask him what's the lowest rating he ever got from me...[I thought that particular work wasn't up to his usual standard] Bias? Not bloody likely from THAT score...
The funny thing is I really don't care about ratings of skins. OK, so why the thread?
Every single time the hackneyed issue of ratings and/or bias is raised, the answer/solution has been that if more people posted 'ratings' on works then a more equitable and accurate indication of a skin's true 'value' would emerge.
The only inherent 'bias' in the system is that if you are at a 'level' that does NOT require moderation then you ONLY get the automatic '6', whereas the rest of the community at least gets ONE valid 'mark' on their work.
Many of mine have had no 'public' rating at all, and therefore no legitimate reflection/indication of their 'standing'....
Jafo
Reply #60 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:48 PM
Reply #60 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:48 PM
At last count it looks like you have five [5] admins responding to this.
I guess we all just lurve ratings debates...
I guess we all just lurve ratings debates...
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Reply #41 Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:18 AM
If nothing else, those admin's numbers should show a lack of 'bias'...the lowest was a '4' on one skin and the highest a '10'.
My only 'error' on that list of numbers is I think I missed one skin, and you have 20, but I only listed 19.
Dunno which one I missed, and don't care, either.
What I CAN guarantee is that the ones posted are correct...