The Rating System
Wednesday, December 11, 2002 by JamMeister33 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Now, don't get me wrong, I am for the rating system; however, I think that once a person who has the privilege of being able to rate a skin has made a choice, they should not be able to go back and change it.
The rating system is being abused by malicious minded people who either have a grudge, or just get a twisted
pleasure out of having the power to negatively influence other people's hard work.
The rating system is being abused by malicious minded people who either have a grudge, or just get a twisted
pleasure out of having the power to negatively influence other people's hard work.
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Kinrik
Reply #62 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:49 PM
Reply #62 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:49 PM
for the record, i simply don't rate adni's work. i figure if you ain't got anything good to say, then keep your mouth shut.
my obvious exception is when i think people are attacking others i respect on these boards...
my obvious exception is when i think people are attacking others i respect on these boards...
Kinrik
Reply #63 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:52 PM
Reply #63 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:52 PM
and another thing, adni, i feel you simply have skill way beyond what you create. i think NOTHING you have made sucks in any way. i'm just waiting for you to break out.
i feel the same about styl_skinner, or whatever his name is (sorry, forgot the exact way he spells it).
the skill is there, get away from the repetetive stuff. you are better than that, we all see it and know it. try something new, different, something you are afraid your skill might not match yet.
i feel the same about styl_skinner, or whatever his name is (sorry, forgot the exact way he spells it).
the skill is there, get away from the repetetive stuff. you are better than that, we all see it and know it. try something new, different, something you are afraid your skill might not match yet.
JamMeister33
Reply #66 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:41 PM
Reply #66 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:41 PM
Your reasoning is certainly sound and you have been around here much longer than I, so I'll bow to the
more enlightened opinion. As I said before, call it vanity on my part. To me, this is all new and exciting
right now but I'm sure it tends to wear off after awhile.
more enlightened opinion. As I said before, call it vanity on my part. To me, this is all new and exciting
right now but I'm sure it tends to wear off after awhile.
Jafo
Reply #67 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:48 PM
Reply #67 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 5:48 PM
Oh, Lecrayon, Lecrayon, Lecrayon.....when one must explain a joke you realize that it has failed.
Note the comment I posted with the wall. It is clear from that that the wall was a social comment and a temporary one at that.
The totally ODD thing about it all was that 300-odd people downloaded it....now that is truly sad.
But many people understood the tragic irony of the piece and got a laugh out of it.
As for the other one...[you referred to two]...that was a simple example for someone to see how a blur effect could be achieved...again it was clearly not a wall...but again a lot of people seemed to want to DL it. It was a teaching example...the original graphics belonged to Dangeruss...which was emblazonned across the wall in huge fonts just to make that clear, but still people DL'd it...
Both walls will be deleted.....try not to get all neurotic over them...just understand their 'motivation'....
Note the comment I posted with the wall. It is clear from that that the wall was a social comment and a temporary one at that.
The totally ODD thing about it all was that 300-odd people downloaded it....now that is truly sad.
But many people understood the tragic irony of the piece and got a laugh out of it.
As for the other one...[you referred to two]...that was a simple example for someone to see how a blur effect could be achieved...again it was clearly not a wall...but again a lot of people seemed to want to DL it. It was a teaching example...the original graphics belonged to Dangeruss...which was emblazonned across the wall in huge fonts just to make that clear, but still people DL'd it...
Both walls will be deleted.....try not to get all neurotic over them...just understand their 'motivation'....
Delicious
Reply #68 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:08 PM
Reply #68 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:08 PM
"I kind of notice the first rating I get, because I know where that comes from. Ratings beyond that, I couldn't care less"by bakerstreet
Is this the automatic rating from the server or are you on the favorite list?
Is this the automatic rating from the server or are you on the favorite list?
MikeB314
Reply #69 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:15 PM
Reply #69 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:15 PM
That would be the rating a moderator gives it when it is approved, Delicious.
WOM
Reply #70 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:30 PM
Reply #70 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:30 PM
Jam: The visitors do not see the ratings. Citizens do not see the ratings unless they are Subscribers. Every Subscribwer can rate and every apprentice and above can rate, so if there isn't enough ratings, there are enough people to rate. So it's the peoples fault for not rating. Must be 50,000 who can rate.
bakerstreet
Reply #71 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:30 PM
Reply #71 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:30 PM
Delicious: Of course I'm on the favorite list, and my farts smell like roses.
I do want the code for that automatic, art-critic server script, though. I think it is often the australian program they use for spell checking.
I do want the code for that automatic, art-critic server script, though. I think it is often the australian program they use for spell checking.
UBoB
Reply #72 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:34 PM
Reply #72 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:34 PM
In my recent ratings problems I never once disagreed with the low rating. All I wanted was to hear from the person who gave me the rating so that I could learn. This is still a learning experience for me and input is vital. The rating is all I have to go on to judge how well I'm doing. When I receive a low rating I will always call upon the person who gave me that rating to please list ways in which I could improve the skin. So, if someone wants to give me a low rating the need to be prepared for me to consistently try and call them out to list those ways. 
I did receive great input from Lecrayon on what might be wrong with the skin.
From my Skinbase upload I received invaluable advice from chichigirl of many things I could do to make the skin better.
This was all I was after in the first place.
I still await a response from the person who rated the skin low.
I did receive great input from Lecrayon on what might be wrong with the skin.
From my Skinbase upload I received invaluable advice from chichigirl of many things I could do to make the skin better.
This was all I was after in the first place.
I still await a response from the person who rated the skin low.
JamMeister33
Reply #73 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:37 PM
Reply #73 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:37 PM
Hi WOM, thanks for the info...
I know I'm too concerned with the numbers right now, but I'm sure that will get old hat after awhile.
This has been an interesting thread if nothing else............ 
I know I'm too concerned with the numbers right now, but I'm sure that will get old hat after awhile.
This has been an interesting thread if nothing else............
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #74 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:37 PM
Reply #74 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:37 PM
Wizop: ...They receive an automatic rating of 6
Wizop: ...That would be the rating a moderator gives it when it is approved
Interesting...
Wizop: ...That would be the rating a moderator gives it when it is approved
Interesting...
WOM
Reply #75 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:57 PM
Reply #75 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:57 PM
Just to help set the record straight, I was one of the 300 odd people who downloaded Jafo's JOKE wall and I gave it a joke 10 rating. Jafo and I had a discussion about these types of programs that generate walls about 6-8 months ago. I said I did one in 5 min. that was as good as some of those that were uploaded, but wouldn't uploaded it. Well Jafo did and thats why I did what I did. He used Bryce and I did it in Terregan.
adni18
Reply #76 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:39 PM
Reply #76 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:39 PM
Hi kinrik,
Thank you for your opinion, though, I must say that I don't agree with you.
First of all, my rattings are not perfect ones.
Second, I don't see anything new and not repetetive in the other skinners work, I am really wondering, why you are refering to me, after all it is just a window or taskbar that can't be even round!
And finaly, what I have done to deserve this negative critism?
I am sorry to read those comments from you, a person that have been for a long time in the skinning comunity.
There are skins that are good and are not having success or bad ones, that are having some ephemeral success, but there is always a reason for those exceptions.
Also, there is a reason for a continuous success. No one can fool the people for a long time. Think about it!
Thank you for your opinion, though, I must say that I don't agree with you.
First of all, my rattings are not perfect ones.
Second, I don't see anything new and not repetetive in the other skinners work, I am really wondering, why you are refering to me, after all it is just a window or taskbar that can't be even round!
And finaly, what I have done to deserve this negative critism?
I am sorry to read those comments from you, a person that have been for a long time in the skinning comunity.
There are skins that are good and are not having success or bad ones, that are having some ephemeral success, but there is always a reason for those exceptions.
Also, there is a reason for a continuous success. No one can fool the people for a long time. Think about it!
Aqua.
Reply #77 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:50 PM
Reply #77 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:50 PM
adni, you're just a victem of your own popularity.
However, I have noticed that you tend to churn out similar looking works with great technical skill. What you do is lovely and all worth having on my desktop, it's just they're not really that creative anymore with only a few exceptions.
However, I have noticed that you tend to churn out similar looking works with great technical skill. What you do is lovely and all worth having on my desktop, it's just they're not really that creative anymore with only a few exceptions.
Aqua.
Reply #78 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:51 PM
Reply #78 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:51 PM
No one can fool the people for a long time.
Then why is Bush still popular? (at least his ratings are dropping back into the real world)
Then why is Bush still popular? (at least his ratings are dropping back into the real world)
MikeB314
Reply #79 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:12 PM
Reply #79 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:12 PM
Fuzzy Logic: When paxx said "They receive an automatic rating of 6", he was referring to some people.
When I said "That would be the rating a moderator gives it when it is approved", I was referring specifically to bakerstreet.
Only Journeymen and above have automatic approval. Bakerstreet is not a Journeymen or above. It's all right here: https://www.wincustomize.com/index.asp?Cmd=about
When I said "That would be the rating a moderator gives it when it is approved", I was referring specifically to bakerstreet.
Only Journeymen and above have automatic approval. Bakerstreet is not a Journeymen or above. It's all right here: https://www.wincustomize.com/index.asp?Cmd=about
Lecrayon
Reply #80 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:46 PM
Reply #80 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:46 PM
Jafo: I know I know I know...I just found it time to delete them I downloaded that bryce one just to give it a rating It looked so much better on the preview
I downloaded that bryce one just to give it a rating It looked so much better on the preview Please login to comment and/or vote for this skin.
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Reply #61 Wednesday, December 11, 2002 4:44 PM
there have been NUMEROUS times i have wanted to break adni's perfect ratings just because MY PERSONAL opinion is that his work is repetetive (in a broad sense...a lot of the exact same themes with different shades, in my opinion). however, i have NEVER actually been willing to give him a "1" just to drop the "10" constant that he usually ends up with.
the same with the comments. you get the regulars who post as the first two or three for the same artist giving the same feedback no matter what the work was. odd, no?
anyways, sucky or not, tough. you get no options.
you don't like it, the only real way to change it is become somebody with influence around here. the people cpomplaining don't seem to have that position, and the ones who do have the abilities do not seem to complain. you want to become one, stop complaining first. get your foot in the door, and THEN make some changes.
otherwise, just move along like the rest. it ain't exactly affecting your social life. when was the last time you got a date from a frigging rating or comment on your graphics, outside of professional work, really?