Again...
Tuesday, July 2, 2002 by adni18 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Someone who thinks that he is a God or Art master or I don’t know what, he just visit the wallpaper section and he has put to almost all wallpapers the lowest rates! I think he have done it to WindowBlinds section too!
I don't know if this action is for laugh or cry, but someone (maybe you Pat
), must have a look at this phenomenon 
The intentions for the rating system are good, but some people are not! I am sorry to say that, but it is a fact.
So many kind and interesting people in WinCustomize, I wonder why they are permitting some brainless minority, (maybe 5 people at most), to spoil the image of the site.
I don't know if this action is for laugh or cry, but someone (maybe you Pat
), must have a look at this phenomenon 
The intentions for the rating system are good, but some people are not! I am sorry to say that, but it is a fact.
So many kind and interesting people in WinCustomize, I wonder why they are permitting some brainless minority, (maybe 5 people at most), to spoil the image of the site.
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Jafo
Reply #42 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 7:55 AM
Reply #42 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 7:55 AM
In case I'm being too obtuse....'Wo-per-daughter' = 'Wo-person' = 'Woman'....
Carlitus
Reply #43 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 8:10 AM
Reply #43 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 8:10 AM
This is a real opinion https://www.wincustomize.com/window.asp?Cmd=COMMENTS&Lib=8&SkinID=3796
I prefer this comment. This persons is directly, but must be more specific (i think). Is best a negative comment not without comments
I prefer this comment. This persons is directly, but must be more specific (i think). Is best a negative comment not without comments
WOM
Reply #44 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 9:14 AM
Reply #44 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 9:14 AM
Glitch or no glitch, someone still had to rate everyone with a "1". So we still have a midnight rater.
paxx
Reply #45 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 9:32 AM
Reply #45 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 9:32 AM
It happens sometimes that we admins forget to rate a skin when we approve it. It then gets posted with a rating of 0. It happened to me a couple of times.
Jafo
Reply #46 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 9:54 AM
Reply #46 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 9:54 AM
Carlitus....I'm not even sure whether that comment was supposed to be good or bad.....talk about 'obscure'.....
But if you ever find 'real' offense with a comment, it 'can' be deleted...
But if you ever find 'real' offense with a comment, it 'can' be deleted...
starone
Reply #47 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 10:41 AM
Reply #47 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 10:41 AM
When it is autoloaded (non-moderated) you get a standard 6 with 0 on the rater. So when someone gives you a 1 you are are brought to a 1.
T-Man
Reply #48 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 11:56 AM
Reply #48 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 11:56 AM
"The phenomenon still goes on today subdued and it is not a system bug, but if you think that it is, ok, let it be." - adni
Yes, it is a bug.
"Glitch or no glitch, someone still had to rate everyone with a "1". So we still have a midnight rater. " - WiseOldMan
Is it wrong to rate a 1 because its so low on the scale? Should we not be suspicious of everyone who rates a 10 then? And again. The problem that you saw was a bug in the system. But yes, occasionally someone does give a rating of a 1.
Yes, it is a bug.
"Glitch or no glitch, someone still had to rate everyone with a "1". So we still have a midnight rater. " - WiseOldMan
Is it wrong to rate a 1 because its so low on the scale? Should we not be suspicious of everyone who rates a 10 then? And again. The problem that you saw was a bug in the system. But yes, occasionally someone does give a rating of a 1.
KarmaGirl
Reply #49 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 12:12 PM
Reply #49 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 12:12 PM
I am guilty of forgetting to rate a skin then uploading it. The "broken' system which Pat is working on, would allow you to moderate a skin without a rating. It would go up as a "0". If the next person gave it a "6" it would show the rating as a 3. To get it to a "5", the second person would have to give it a "10", which I have gone in and done once in awhile when I realized that I forgot to rate it. It is a system problem.
Of course, there is the possibility that somebody will go in and give a skin a low (or high) rating if they did/didn't like it. There is no "fair" way of doing ratings since they are all opinions.
Of course, there is the possibility that somebody will go in and give a skin a low (or high) rating if they did/didn't like it. There is no "fair" way of doing ratings since they are all opinions.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #50 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 12:22 PM
Reply #50 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 12:22 PM
A fairer way would be to exclude the top and bottom 20% of ratings. But would that be technically difficult to achieve? Wouldn't work with only a few ratings though. 
migellito
Reply #51 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 12:59 PM
Reply #51 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 12:59 PM
that would also prevent anyone from having their actual rating. in one sense though, ratings are quite fair, since:
everyone's stuff can get rated
anyone can only give something one rating
the ratings count equally
wise old man, adni, others:
do you feel it's wrong to give ones or other low ratings? i'd really like to know your opinion on this... do you feel it's empirically wrong to give low ratings?
everyone's stuff can get rated
anyone can only give something one rating
the ratings count equally
wise old man, adni, others:
do you feel it's wrong to give ones or other low ratings? i'd really like to know your opinion on this... do you feel it's empirically wrong to give low ratings?
davad70
Reply #52 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:19 PM
Reply #52 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:19 PM
I have no issues with low ratings in and of themselves. That's assuming that there is a justifiable reason for the person giving it a low rating. As many have pointed out before, there are ratings at most, if not all the skin sites. The issue I've always had with the sytem at WC is that a low rating could make a skin virtually invisible, because skins with low ratings are hidden by default.
On the other hand, there are people that abuse the system for obviously no reason by giving low ratings for work that does not deserve to be rated low. People can and will argue that if the person thought it deserved a low rating then it's ok, because the rating system is subjective.
I stayed out of this thread because I know that once again, virtually nothing will be done, just like in the past.
I now accept the fact that this site is in the process of "devolving" (?) from a community site into a commercial site. On a commercial site such as this, the users pay to download and rate skins. They money they pay does not afford them the privilege of shaping any sort of policies or general direction for the site.
Any way that we can get the title "Customer" added to the choices in edit preferences?
On the other hand, there are people that abuse the system for obviously no reason by giving low ratings for work that does not deserve to be rated low. People can and will argue that if the person thought it deserved a low rating then it's ok, because the rating system is subjective.
I stayed out of this thread because I know that once again, virtually nothing will be done, just like in the past.
I now accept the fact that this site is in the process of "devolving" (?) from a community site into a commercial site. On a commercial site such as this, the users pay to download and rate skins. They money they pay does not afford them the privilege of shaping any sort of policies or general direction for the site.
Any way that we can get the title "Customer" added to the choices in edit preferences?
WOM
Reply #53 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:23 PM
Reply #53 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:23 PM
migellito: No I do not feel that you shouldn't give a rating of "1". But to have someone go and rate a bunch of walls or windowblinds a "1" then something is wrong. I don't thing it was done for the right reasons. I also think that it should be manditory to give a comment with the rating. That way the skinner would know what was wrong(if anything) and can correct the problem. If the skin works and is complete, it should not be given a "1" because you do not like the color.
Lecrayon
Reply #54 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:33 PM
Reply #54 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:33 PM
My guess is ratings can prevent works to be displayed if they got a low rating. I have no problems with low ratings, but then I would want to know why and want to have objective comments how to alter the work and make it better, so it can be displayed. That's the only thing that counts for me if it comes to ratings Migellito. Anyone that gives a low rating without giving comment...well...that's a bit frustrating at the least and I treat them as non-rated (although the rate is effected, hence the frustration). Whether it is a visitor or an admin or pro-skinner that gave the rating....If we would live in a perfect world ratings and comments could be fair, but alas, we do not live in one, nor is this community perfect. Everyone can abuse systems, or vote on emotional grounds. Perhaps a rating should appear after a work is rated 10 times or so..People still can abuse it by submitting 10 times a 1 though 
Generally ratings and downloads will measure the popularity of a work, in my opinion it doesnt say much about quality which seems to be the argument of having rates and download countings.
Generally ratings and downloads will measure the popularity of a work, in my opinion it doesnt say much about quality which seems to be the argument of having rates and download countings.
WOM
Reply #55 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:47 PM
Reply #55 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:47 PM
Lecrayon: A person can only rate an object once. So if you had 10 ones, that would mean 10 people rated you.(that should tell you it stinks). As T-Man said, some people could upload crap and it would download in the 1000's. So thats not a measure either.
WOM
Reply #56 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:50 PM
Reply #56 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:50 PM
P.S. Have you noticed that some skins are uploaded with flaws and are downloaded even after it is pointed out in the comment section? It is still rated high even thou it is flawed. Makes you wonder!
Carlitus
Reply #57 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:51 PM
Reply #57 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:51 PM
Jafo, i have no problems with obscure, erooneous, badly comments. There's poepople that likes my skins, and i agree their support, and there's peopple that don't like nothing in their life I prefer some comment (good or bad), not the ignorance
I prefer some comment (good or bad), not the ignorance
Lecrayon
Reply #58 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:58 PM
Reply #58 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 1:58 PM
Well wise old man, if that is the case, maybe that could be implemented then because it can't be abused in that way
Lecrayon
Reply #59 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 2:01 PM
Reply #59 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 2:01 PM
Or at least think about something similar. As I stated in the comment above yours: Generally ratings and downloads will measure the popularity of a work, in my opinion it doesnt say much about quality which seems to be the argument of having rates and download countings.
adni18
Reply #60 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 2:24 PM
Reply #60 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 2:24 PM
Hi migellito 
I think the worst thing, someone can do, is to put a rate 1-3 to some author's work.
As I said above, the healthy persons never vote what they don't like, because they know well, that a bad vote is going to hurt the non profit authors.
It is a hobby of some nice people that they share their works with us, why do we have to hurt them??? And make their works invisible for the visitors? Please, give me one reason.
About the wallpapers, is even worst and offending too, because the wallpapers before appear in WinCustomize have been checked and approved by excellent artist as the WC Administrators. Have you thought this?
My opinion is that any vote lower than 4 is malicious or is coming from brainless people!
I think the worst thing, someone can do, is to put a rate 1-3 to some author's work.
As I said above, the healthy persons never vote what they don't like, because they know well, that a bad vote is going to hurt the non profit authors.
It is a hobby of some nice people that they share their works with us, why do we have to hurt them??? And make their works invisible for the visitors? Please, give me one reason.
About the wallpapers, is even worst and offending too, because the wallpapers before appear in WinCustomize have been checked and approved by excellent artist as the WC Administrators. Have you thought this?
My opinion is that any vote lower than 4 is malicious or is coming from brainless people!
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Reply #41 Wednesday, July 3, 2002 7:53 AM
But in actual fact, the 'his' is as embedded as 'mankind', etc., and it's actually beyond 'PC' to overdo the issue.....else the 'Wo-per-daughters' of the world would each spit her dummy....