Logical Falacies
Saturday, June 1, 2002 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
On-line communication is a tricky thing. Without tones of voice, facial expressions, body language, etc. it is often difficult to convey meaning.
The effort of having to type out something versus speaking adds to the difficulty. This is especially true when trying to convince someone of a certain point of view.
This is a fairly popular web page on the Internt for learning how to avoid common pitfalls in constructive a logical assertion (or argument).
http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/EdPsy/misc/Fallacies.htm
The effort of having to type out something versus speaking adds to the difficulty. This is especially true when trying to convince someone of a certain point of view.
This is a fairly popular web page on the Internt for learning how to avoid common pitfalls in constructive a logical assertion (or argument).
http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/EdPsy/misc/Fallacies.htm
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paxx
Reply #62 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 6:29 AM
Reply #62 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 6:29 AM
Anyway, seems like gun control threads are like religion and political threads. If the USA is OK with being by far the country with the most homicides, so be it. It's not my life at stakes.
GreenReaper
Reply #63 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 7:02 AM
Reply #63 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 7:02 AM
. . . until you go visit. 
That's the first thing I noticed when I went in last time - cops wearing guns. Never saw that before.
That's the first thing I noticed when I went in last time - cops wearing guns. Never saw that before.
kith
Reply #64 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 8:51 AM
Reply #64 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 8:51 AM
I was in England a few years back. The second thing I noticed was the cops don't carry guns! I think that is much scarier. Trained professionals who can only defend themselves and the public with a whistle and a stick. If you make it down to the southern half of the USA next time you visit you might even see regular citizens carrying guns too! You want to kow what the first thing I noticed was.... The gambling! It seems on almost every street there is a gambling parlor.
Not a gambling thread...
Not a gambling thread...
Doreen
Reply #65 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 9:37 AM
Reply #65 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 9:37 AM
Over here in Los Angeles the cops carry Shot guns and Blow torches! hehe
(We have the highest death rate due to GSW's really bad) and the cops are included in those stats too, I would not want to be a cop over here, the pay ain't worth it...
(We have the highest death rate due to GSW's really bad) and the cops are included in those stats too, I would not want to be a cop over here, the pay ain't worth it...
paxx
Reply #66 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 9:49 AM
Reply #66 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 9:49 AM
Cops in Canada are armed, except they're not allowed to toch their gun. hehehe!
I'm serious. No cop is allowed to put his hand on his gun unless he is resonnably certain that he his facing somebody that is armed with a firearm.
I'm serious. No cop is allowed to put his hand on his gun unless he is resonnably certain that he his facing somebody that is armed with a firearm.
Doreen
Reply #67 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 10:03 AM
Reply #67 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 10:03 AM
and our cops are not allowed to take their hands off of their guns cuz they have to always be ready... hehe
Koasati
Reply #68 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 10:31 AM
Reply #68 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 10:31 AM
jcg.... I grew up about 50 outside Nacogdoches, in a tiny community called Laneville. 
craeonics
Reply #69 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 10:32 AM
Reply #69 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 10:32 AM
Well, cops over here are no where around when something happens. The nearest police station is about three kilometers away (and that's in the city). Maybe I've played too much SimCity, that I expect every neighbourhood to have a police station.
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #70 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 12:40 PM
Reply #70 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 12:40 PM
I haven't seen a policeman or police car in my area of the city for months. Some 'youth' was stealing cars a couple of years ago, but it's been quiet since then.
Must be exciting living in one of these US cities where there are criminals and police with guns - almost like the TV.
Must be exciting living in one of these US cities where there are criminals and police with guns - almost like the TV.
Griffinme
Reply #71 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 5:09 PM
Reply #71 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 5:09 PM
I wonder how someone from Northern Ireland feels about gun control, or someone from central Africa where they seem to prefer machettes.
I wonder what it is like to live in a country where people go to football games to start a riot.
I happen to live in a city where I have heard a few gunshots in the night over the years. It isn't very exciting.
I wonder what it is like to live in a country where people go to football games to start a riot.
I happen to live in a city where I have heard a few gunshots in the night over the years. It isn't very exciting.
p e d
Reply #72 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 5:58 PM
Reply #72 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 5:58 PM
I come from a country where your house is your fortress, barbwire fencing combined with electric fencing, infra red beams in the garden alarms in the house. Ontop of this your car still gets broken into while it is parked in your garage. My car was broken into 3 times in 2 months. I've had 2 cars stolen and never seen again. People die daily from hijackings, and the like. People even die going to soccer matches.
I'd much rather live in a quite place that isn't very exciting.
I'd much rather live in a quite place that isn't very exciting.
Frogboy
Reply #74 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 6:11 PM
Reply #74 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 6:11 PM
I live in the sub-urbs of Michigan near Detroit. I actually don't know anyone who has suffered crime. I don't own a bike lock and have never had my bike stolen.
p e d
Reply #75 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 6:17 PM
Reply #75 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 6:17 PM
Don't think gun control works. As far as I know they do try implement it but you find people killing police officers just to get their guns. There is very little way to control that. Just too many guns on the streets. 
Chris
Reply #76 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 6:30 PM
Reply #76 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 6:30 PM
When I was a kid I had my bike stolen from the backyard. Oddly enough the thieves left a different bike in its stead. Alas, the stolen bike was nicer then the bike they left behind.
DavidK
Reply #77 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 6:51 PM
Reply #77 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 6:51 PM
There was an interesting study done at Boston University in the early 70's. They had two groups of people, one group watched TV the normal amount and the other group didn't own televisions.
The results were: The group that watched TV was convinced their lives were in danger whenever they ventured outside. They didn't go out at night unless they had too and basically lived a perilous life in a dangerous city. Many of them had bad experiences on the street, muggings etc.
The other group didn't know their lives were in peril, went out at night, went for long walks and lived very calm uneventful lives. There were no muggings among that group for the two year period of the study. They actually thought Boston was a wonderful place to live...
The results were: The group that watched TV was convinced their lives were in danger whenever they ventured outside. They didn't go out at night unless they had too and basically lived a perilous life in a dangerous city. Many of them had bad experiences on the street, muggings etc.
The other group didn't know their lives were in peril, went out at night, went for long walks and lived very calm uneventful lives. There were no muggings among that group for the two year period of the study. They actually thought Boston was a wonderful place to live...
Jafo
Reply #78 Thursday, June 6, 2002 2:15 AM
Reply #78 Thursday, June 6, 2002 2:15 AM
Police in Oz carry guns.....we have shootings...just like any place, but no-where near the rate in the US....because we have gun-control, and it works.
Fact of life, which is irrefutable....less guns means less shooters means less shootings.
Don't argue....every single gun that gets destroyed is one less gun to kill with.
It's nothing to do with defence/offence ....protection ....it's all about escalation/intimidation....
I hate gun-control threads....it all comes down to two 'ways'...
The RIGHT way...
Or...
The American way.....
Fact of life, which is irrefutable....less guns means less shooters means less shootings.
Don't argue....every single gun that gets destroyed is one less gun to kill with.
It's nothing to do with defence/offence ....protection ....it's all about escalation/intimidation....
I hate gun-control threads....it all comes down to two 'ways'...
The RIGHT way...
Or...
The American way.....
Doreen
Reply #79 Thursday, June 6, 2002 9:36 AM
Reply #79 Thursday, June 6, 2002 9:36 AM
well another option is turn to a good can of killer mace and a hard kick between the legs?
Or
Run really really fast???
Or
Run really really fast???
pjpowell
Reply #80 Thursday, June 6, 2002 9:49 AM
Reply #80 Thursday, June 6, 2002 9:49 AM
What's wrong with the :
'I say! That's not very sporting. You're not paying cricket old chap.'
approach?
'Most young ruffians will run away in fright after a good stiff talking to.'
pjpowell goes back to the 20's where you could leave your house open at night without a care.
'I say! That's not very sporting. You're not paying cricket old chap.'
approach?
'Most young ruffians will run away in fright after a good stiff talking to.'
pjpowell goes back to the 20's where you could leave your house open at night without a care.
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Reply #61 Wednesday, June 5, 2002 4:42 AM
Argh, not a gun control thread...