Logical Falacies
Saturday, June 1, 2002 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
On-line communication is a tricky thing. Without tones of voice, facial expressions, body language, etc. it is often difficult to convey meaning.
The effort of having to type out something versus speaking adds to the difficulty. This is especially true when trying to convince someone of a certain point of view.
This is a fairly popular web page on the Internt for learning how to avoid common pitfalls in constructive a logical assertion (or argument).
http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/EdPsy/misc/Fallacies.htm
The effort of having to type out something versus speaking adds to the difficulty. This is especially true when trying to convince someone of a certain point of view.
This is a fairly popular web page on the Internt for learning how to avoid common pitfalls in constructive a logical assertion (or argument).
http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/EdPsy/misc/Fallacies.htm
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jcg
Reply #42 Sunday, June 2, 2002 2:22 PM
Reply #42 Sunday, June 2, 2002 2:22 PM
Sorry, I don't have the link anymore. That was during my Compuserve days and several disk crashes ago. 
craeonics
Reply #43 Monday, June 3, 2002 3:55 AM
Reply #43 Monday, June 3, 2002 3:55 AM
All nice and good, but I never said I was logical.
By the way, all this reminds me of how Doreen is trying to Jafo me each time I use "ise" where she would say "ize".
craeonics goes hide behind cultural differences
By the way, all this reminds me of how Doreen is trying to Jafo me each time I use "ise" where she would say "ize".
craeonics goes hide behind cultural differences
Jafo
Reply #44 Monday, June 3, 2002 7:42 AM
Reply #44 Monday, June 3, 2002 7:42 AM
jcg...more people in the US die in car crashes than in all the wars they have ever fought in....but no matter which is greater....people who live right next to cemeteries are never buried in them....why?...because they aren't dead yet....
There are lies, damn lies, and ststistics.
More people are killed by hippos than by sharks...
"It's true....drink will kill you....my dad was killed by drink...a brewery truck ran over him"....somewhere between statistics and jokes lies the truth....
There are lies, damn lies, and ststistics.
More people are killed by hippos than by sharks...
"It's true....drink will kill you....my dad was killed by drink...a brewery truck ran over him"....somewhere between statistics and jokes lies the truth....
Griffinme
Reply #45 Monday, June 3, 2002 10:22 AM
Reply #45 Monday, June 3, 2002 10:22 AM
In another thread someone asked "Why are Americans so suspicious of their government?" We are brought up with American heroes that were revolutionists or at least rebels. Washington, Lincoln, and Martin Luther King were heroes because they found the establishment to be corrupt or unjust.
Our rebellious forefathers tried to set up a government that had its hands tied. They wanted to create a revolution every few years to try and keep it that way. Yet we hardly ever see things change. The politicians in Washington seem to always be further and further from the common man. We see representatives that are in office for decades when the position was supposed to only last for a few years. We see more and more interference from the government in our lives at every turn.
Part of this rebellious nature is manifested in guns. Our forefathers when they were writing the Constitution wanted to allow the people themselves power to have a revolution if needed. They put in an amendment to stop gun control for that very reason. I have heard that the serfs in England were treated much better then those in France because they relied on the peasants to supply archers in times of war. Since the longbow required practice the peasants took them home. A lord that was too harsh was liable to receive an arrow in the back during his ride through town.
An armed society is a polite one.
Griffinme gets off his soapbox now.
Our rebellious forefathers tried to set up a government that had its hands tied. They wanted to create a revolution every few years to try and keep it that way. Yet we hardly ever see things change. The politicians in Washington seem to always be further and further from the common man. We see representatives that are in office for decades when the position was supposed to only last for a few years. We see more and more interference from the government in our lives at every turn.
Part of this rebellious nature is manifested in guns. Our forefathers when they were writing the Constitution wanted to allow the people themselves power to have a revolution if needed. They put in an amendment to stop gun control for that very reason. I have heard that the serfs in England were treated much better then those in France because they relied on the peasants to supply archers in times of war. Since the longbow required practice the peasants took them home. A lord that was too harsh was liable to receive an arrow in the back during his ride through town.
An armed society is a polite one.
Griffinme gets off his soapbox now.
craeonics
Reply #46 Monday, June 3, 2002 10:33 AM
Reply #46 Monday, June 3, 2002 10:33 AM
craeonics grabs the soap box, puts it away under lock and key and revokes Griffin's soap priviledges
Griffinme
Reply #47 Monday, June 3, 2002 10:41 AM
Reply #47 Monday, June 3, 2002 10:41 AM
Hey!
Get your own.
That's ok. I have megaphone hidden in the closet.
Get your own.
That's ok. I have megaphone hidden in the closet.
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paxx
Reply #49 Monday, June 3, 2002 1:14 PM
Reply #49 Monday, June 3, 2002 1:14 PM
It's really just a matter of choice.
I prefer to have my freedom limited a little in order to live safer in my own town. Hey, I respect people who rather die and be free.
Funny, in Canada, we actually expect our governement to vote laws in order to protect us, even if that means a little bit of our freedom will be taken away.
I prefer to have my freedom limited a little in order to live safer in my own town. Hey, I respect people who rather die and be free.
Funny, in Canada, we actually expect our governement to vote laws in order to protect us, even if that means a little bit of our freedom will be taken away.
jcg
Reply #50 Monday, June 3, 2002 2:50 PM
Reply #50 Monday, June 3, 2002 2:50 PM
To paraphrase Ben Franklin: "Those who would sacrifice liberty for security do not get either nor do they deserve them."
craeonics
Reply #52 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 5:57 AM
Reply #52 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 5:57 AM
And I'd prefer to live in a peaceful society. And in a peaceful society there is no violence (except for football hooliganism), so no need for self-defense either. Trust instead of fear and paranoia.
But let's _not_ turn this into a gun control thread.
But let's _not_ turn this into a gun control thread.
Griffinme
Reply #53 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 9:29 PM
Reply #53 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 9:29 PM
Care to compare statistics for home break ins between the US and England?
Break into a home in the US and your liable to be facing a shotgun. A shotgun the owner would be perfectly within his rights to kill you with since he is defending his home and family. This tends to make burglars think twice.
Your right, lets not turn this into a gun control thread.
Break into a home in the US and your liable to be facing a shotgun. A shotgun the owner would be perfectly within his rights to kill you with since he is defending his home and family. This tends to make burglars think twice.
Your right, lets not turn this into a gun control thread.
Peff
Reply #54 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 9:36 PM
Reply #54 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 9:36 PM
You're right Griffinme. I would much rather have a gun with me when a burgular broke into my home...but, lets not turn this into a gun control thread.... 
DavidK
Reply #55 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 10:00 PM
Reply #55 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 10:00 PM
I have a club (piece of hickory with a lead weight at the top). It's a non-lethal weapon. I've never had to use it though, the one time I had a chance I yelled at the guy and he ran away... I also have lots of guns but I'd never shoot anyone... or an animal or even a snake... they are only for shooting holes in paper and harvesting misseltoe.
Not to turn this into a gun-control thread but... the worst thing about most people that own guns is they've never thought it through to the conclusion. Could I do it? What's it feel like to confront an intruder with a lethal weapon? etc. I know for a fact that I couldn't shoot anyone so it's not an issue. I wouldn't go get a gun if someone broke in. It's a very bad idea to point a gun at someone and then change your mind, or hesitate. The only thing worse is to actually shoot someone and then spend the rest of your life trying to get over it... with no guns, neither scenario is likely to happen.
Not to turn this into a gun-control thread but... the worst thing about most people that own guns is they've never thought it through to the conclusion. Could I do it? What's it feel like to confront an intruder with a lethal weapon? etc. I know for a fact that I couldn't shoot anyone so it's not an issue. I wouldn't go get a gun if someone broke in. It's a very bad idea to point a gun at someone and then change your mind, or hesitate. The only thing worse is to actually shoot someone and then spend the rest of your life trying to get over it... with no guns, neither scenario is likely to happen.
Doreen
Reply #56 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 11:24 PM
Reply #56 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 11:24 PM
Doreen don't like guns
see wayyyy too much end result of ppl playing around w/ them thinking they are just fun toys to own...
see wayyyy too much end result of ppl playing around w/ them thinking they are just fun toys to own...
paxx
Reply #57 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 11:34 PM
Reply #57 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 11:34 PM
How does the saying goes? The sword brings the sword? I don't exactly know how it's translated in English...
It's a fact that burglars in Canada never carry a gun. They come into your home with no weapon, and most of the time don't expect anybody to be home: they dfon't come to kill, they come to rob.
Now, in countries where people have guns at home, burglars have no choice but also bring a gun when they break into your home.
Result: a lot more casualties.
Yes, we may have more roberies in the end, but a whoooole lot less victims. Again, I rather see my TV stolen and stay alive. My insurance will get my money back but not my life.
It's a fact that burglars in Canada never carry a gun. They come into your home with no weapon, and most of the time don't expect anybody to be home: they dfon't come to kill, they come to rob.
Now, in countries where people have guns at home, burglars have no choice but also bring a gun when they break into your home.
Result: a lot more casualties.
Yes, we may have more roberies in the end, but a whoooole lot less victims. Again, I rather see my TV stolen and stay alive. My insurance will get my money back but not my life.
Koasati
Reply #59 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 11:47 PM
Reply #59 Tuesday, June 4, 2002 11:47 PM
Growing up a rural setting here in Texas, I was taught gun control.
You never point a gun at anything, unless you intend to shoot it' and you hit what you intend to shoot.
You never point a gun at anything, unless you intend to shoot it' and you hit what you intend to shoot.
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Reply #41 Sunday, June 2, 2002 11:46 AM