Logical Falacies
Saturday, June 1, 2002 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
On-line communication is a tricky thing. Without tones of voice, facial expressions, body language, etc. it is often difficult to convey meaning.
The effort of having to type out something versus speaking adds to the difficulty. This is especially true when trying to convince someone of a certain point of view.
This is a fairly popular web page on the Internt for learning how to avoid common pitfalls in constructive a logical assertion (or argument).
http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/EdPsy/misc/Fallacies.htm
The effort of having to type out something versus speaking adds to the difficulty. This is especially true when trying to convince someone of a certain point of view.
This is a fairly popular web page on the Internt for learning how to avoid common pitfalls in constructive a logical assertion (or argument).
http://education.gsu.edu/spehar/FOCUS/EdPsy/misc/Fallacies.htm
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feline
Reply #22 Saturday, June 1, 2002 5:44 PM
Reply #22 Saturday, June 1, 2002 5:44 PM
thats in, explain one word i dont recognise by using a work i cannot define *sigh* 
i never really bothered with words about words at school. i base my grammer on lots of examples (from years of reading), so now i just use what looks correct, without actually knowing any of the fancy rules and words for it. overall it seems to work quite well
i never really bothered with words about words at school. i base my grammer on lots of examples (from years of reading), so now i just use what looks correct, without actually knowing any of the fancy rules and words for it. overall it seems to work quite well
Caylynn
Reply #23 Saturday, June 1, 2002 6:18 PM
Reply #23 Saturday, June 1, 2002 6:18 PM
There are not only cultural differences, but gender differences as well. Often, men and women meant completely different things when saying the exact same words.
One example that was given at one conference I went to, that spoke about effective management, is the following:
When a man asks a woman whether something is wrong, and she says 'No, nothing's wrong', most of the time there IS something wrong, she's just too peeved at the guy, or too upset to talk about it. The guy, at this point, is often confused, because the woman looks upset, yet tells him that nothing's wrong.
However, when a woman asks a man if something is wrong, and the guy says 'No, nothing's wrong', he usually means that there's nothing wrong. The woman, however, often will think that the man just won't tell her what's wrong, when really, there IS nothing wrong in the first place.
So, we not only have the pitfalls of the English language and cultural differences to deal with, but we have gender differences as well!
One example that was given at one conference I went to, that spoke about effective management, is the following:
When a man asks a woman whether something is wrong, and she says 'No, nothing's wrong', most of the time there IS something wrong, she's just too peeved at the guy, or too upset to talk about it. The guy, at this point, is often confused, because the woman looks upset, yet tells him that nothing's wrong.
However, when a woman asks a man if something is wrong, and the guy says 'No, nothing's wrong', he usually means that there's nothing wrong. The woman, however, often will think that the man just won't tell her what's wrong, when really, there IS nothing wrong in the first place.
So, we not only have the pitfalls of the English language and cultural differences to deal with, but we have gender differences as well!
feline
Reply #24 Saturday, June 1, 2002 6:46 PM
Reply #24 Saturday, June 1, 2002 6:46 PM
feline sees a solution to all of this
only talk to cats and chocolate! cats dont normally care what you say, only what you do. and chocolate can always be eaten if the conversation doesnt go how you want
you are so right though Caylynn. it is sometimes a wonder that any two people ever manage to have a meaningful conversation.
only talk to cats and chocolate! cats dont normally care what you say, only what you do. and chocolate can always be eaten if the conversation doesnt go how you want
you are so right though Caylynn. it is sometimes a wonder that any two people ever manage to have a meaningful conversation.
jcg
Reply #25 Saturday, June 1, 2002 6:59 PM
Reply #25 Saturday, June 1, 2002 6:59 PM
A preposition is something your not supposed to end a sentence with. I read somewhere that there was this linguist who really hated the rule. He wrote: "This is a rule with which I will not put up." I thought that was cute.
Jafo
Reply #28 Saturday, June 1, 2002 11:53 PM
Reply #28 Saturday, June 1, 2002 11:53 PM
OK....who's calling me a '***** spell checker'?... 
I strongly resemble that remark....
If yer not careful I'll resort to Strine and confuse the lot a'ya's....
I strongly resemble that remark....
If yer not careful I'll resort to Strine and confuse the lot a'ya's....
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #29 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:07 AM
Reply #29 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:07 AM
Hey, I wasn't talking about you! But if the cap fits... 
I can guarantee my native Yorkshire dialect is more unintelligible than your Strine any day...
Anyway, I'm going to bed now (it's 05:00 am here)
I can guarantee my native Yorkshire dialect is more unintelligible than your Strine any day...
Anyway, I'm going to bed now (it's 05:00 am here)
Griffinme
Reply #30 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:18 AM
Reply #30 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:18 AM
The Elements of Style Stunk & White
The absolute classic.
The absolute classic.
Griffinme
Reply #32 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:38 AM
Reply #32 Sunday, June 2, 2002 12:38 AM
America seems to use the Converse Accident argument to excess. "I heard that 2 kids drown in 5 gallon buckets a year. They should be banned!" While that is a great tragedy for those families, should the rest of America be inconvenienced because .0000001% of kids die in a bucket?
Mother Nature is a rough customer. Accidents will happen.
Griffinme wonders what America will be like in the year 2200.
Don't you remember? You tend to forget things.
Mother Nature is a rough customer. Accidents will happen.
Griffinme wonders what America will be like in the year 2200.
Don't you remember? You tend to forget things.
Jafo
Reply #33 Sunday, June 2, 2002 1:09 AM
Reply #33 Sunday, June 2, 2002 1:09 AM
Why on earth would you want to ban '2 drowned kids'?
Jafo supports the 'obtuse has its use' club...
Jafo supports the 'obtuse has its use' club...
jcg
Reply #34 Sunday, June 2, 2002 1:10 AM
Reply #34 Sunday, June 2, 2002 1:10 AM
The same argument is used in gun control yet no one seems to mind.
Jafo
Reply #35 Sunday, June 2, 2002 3:55 AM
Reply #35 Sunday, June 2, 2002 3:55 AM
jcg....with guns we are not talking 'accidental drowning' now, are we?...
Fuzzy Logic
Reply #36 Sunday, June 2, 2002 5:04 AM
Reply #36 Sunday, June 2, 2002 5:04 AM
Take away their guns, you take away their freedom...
Lecrayon
Reply #37 Sunday, June 2, 2002 6:39 AM
Reply #37 Sunday, June 2, 2002 6:39 AM
I want to add one more thing. I have read recently a few things on the message board and time and time again I get the feeling: "Anyone who is not with us is against us"...Oh no! The world is grey I thought. Or maybe black and white after all, that is, in the eye of the beholder...Yellows are not included nor Reds and Greens. Black is wrong, white is good. Give the people bread and skins. Come to think of it, another phrase: "Dictatorship is wrong, UNLESS I am the dictator". Yep, white is good, white is God. (It only differs an""O") And I think: "Oh no! There is no light. and it becomes dark, and you end up with the stench of the sewer". My favourite saying: "You get what you radiate".
Jafo
Reply #38 Sunday, June 2, 2002 10:09 AM
Reply #38 Sunday, June 2, 2002 10:09 AM
If anyone here were 'not with us', then why would they be here, other than to stress that they are 'not with us'.
Of course, IF they are 'not with us' then they are not here, because we are here 'with us'.
Ah...I DO like existentialism....
Of course, IF they are 'not with us' then they are not here, because we are here 'with us'.
Ah...I DO like existentialism....
jcg
Reply #39 Sunday, June 2, 2002 10:15 AM
Reply #39 Sunday, June 2, 2002 10:15 AM
Jafo - but the logical error is still the same. For example it is fact more people are killed each year by being strangled with pantyhose then are killed by assualt rifles, yet assualt rifles are banned, and women still get to complain about their pantyhose.
BTW, I am not trying to have a gun control argument here, been there done that.
BTW, I am not trying to have a gun control argument here, been there done that.
Lecrayon
Reply #40 Sunday, June 2, 2002 10:21 AM
Reply #40 Sunday, June 2, 2002 10:21 AM
GRRRRRRRRRR JAFO I think you are far more intelligent than that. Don't you see I made a typo? I should have used capitals "with us"!! And please don't say you are americanized please
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Reply #21 Saturday, June 1, 2002 5:39 PM
The dog is ON the chair.
Mary is WITH John.
Here's a helpful simple web page: http://www.uottawa.ca/academic/arts/writcent/hypergrammar/preposit.html