Msgboard Chatroom Marathon
Sunday, January 27, 2002 by Elfkura | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Honestly, I would go to IRC for this kind of stuff, but if any of you have been there recently, everyone seems to be...inactive. Sooooooooo, out of boredom, I'm turning a thread among this msgboard into a chat room, anyone care to join? =P.
It's Sunday night, and I'm bored out of my mind. There's much to do, but I'm too lazy to get around to do it. My boyfriend is busying trying to get Visual Studios to work so I can't talk to him on the phone....and we can't seem to talk over the phone anyways...it'll just be silence mostly.
New Semester started........so anyone alive out there to join Elffie in this chat marathon? =P
Let's try not to let this post hang for over 2 hours, hm? =P
It's Sunday night, and I'm bored out of my mind. There's much to do, but I'm too lazy to get around to do it. My boyfriend is busying trying to get Visual Studios to work so I can't talk to him on the phone....and we can't seem to talk over the phone anyways...it'll just be silence mostly.
New Semester started........so anyone alive out there to join Elffie in this chat marathon? =P
Let's try not to let this post hang for over 2 hours, hm? =P
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LoidiBoid
Reply #422 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 8:55 AM
Reply #422 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 8:55 AM
LoidiBoid awakens from a short cat-nap (apologies Feline) in the "Quiet Room" thread...
Wow this is quite a thread in here, isn't it?! We're flip-flopping between my "sleeping arrangements", deep relationship problems, tummy-rubs, spelling bees... not to mention chocolate dragons (damn, I just did!) and gender issues. If there's any paper left over from the Hampster bedding, it'd make a best-seller!
LoidiBoid tiptoes back to the "Quiet Room" to ponder on these and other things - stubs his toe on a question from a newbie, and collapses face down in the "Grand Prix" thread.
...and it's soooo noisy in there!
Wow this is quite a thread in here, isn't it?! We're flip-flopping between my "sleeping arrangements", deep relationship problems, tummy-rubs, spelling bees... not to mention chocolate dragons (damn, I just did!) and gender issues. If there's any paper left over from the Hampster bedding, it'd make a best-seller!
LoidiBoid tiptoes back to the "Quiet Room" to ponder on these and other things - stubs his toe on a question from a newbie, and collapses face down in the "Grand Prix" thread.
...and it's soooo noisy in there!
Ruthven
Reply #423 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 9:46 AM
Reply #423 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 9:46 AM
Okay, Loid... you're being way too clever for me before I've finished my first cup of coffee. Which makes me wonder what happened to the coffee thread running thinly through this.. um, thread (there, see how unclever I am now? ). You're also up way past my bedtime. I think. Isn't it early tomorrow morning there? And if so, can you tell me what tonight's winning lottery numbers are?
Ruthven jumps into the coffee lake to try to wake up and start making sense....
). You're also up way past my bedtime. I think. Isn't it early tomorrow morning there? And if so, can you tell me what tonight's winning lottery numbers are?Ruthven jumps into the coffee lake to try to wake up and start making sense....
Ruthven
Reply #424 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 9:48 AM
Reply #424 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 9:48 AM
You know, I was finally satisfied with being "Glen Eric Reed" and not begging to change to a nickname before I did an action on here. That just looks exceedingly stupid. Suppose that fits me, though!
Ruthven
Reply #425 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 9:54 AM
Reply #425 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 9:54 AM
Elfy...
I've been holding back from chiming in to give you yet another viewpoint, since I'm in no place to provide answers. But here's what I can say for sure -- no one can provide answers, including any books. About the only thing everyone will agree on is the old cliche "keep the lines of communication open." No one can figure out what's going on between you and Rob except you and Rob. And if it's meant to be, you will figure it out.
One thing I will say -- lack of fighting doesn't mean a relationship is going well: It means that no one cares enough to fight. Spend enough time with anyone, and no matter how much you love them, you're going to fight. The true test of a relationship is knowing how to fight and how to resolve.
Just one guy's unscientific, unjustified opinion. And now I'll go back to keeping my mouth shut on that topic
I've been holding back from chiming in to give you yet another viewpoint, since I'm in no place to provide answers. But here's what I can say for sure -- no one can provide answers, including any books. About the only thing everyone will agree on is the old cliche "keep the lines of communication open." No one can figure out what's going on between you and Rob except you and Rob. And if it's meant to be, you will figure it out.
One thing I will say -- lack of fighting doesn't mean a relationship is going well: It means that no one cares enough to fight. Spend enough time with anyone, and no matter how much you love them, you're going to fight. The true test of a relationship is knowing how to fight and how to resolve.
Just one guy's unscientific, unjustified opinion. And now I'll go back to keeping my mouth shut on that topic
LoidiBoid
Reply #426 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 10:26 AM
Reply #426 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 10:26 AM
Glen Eric Reed - being a hopeless coffee devotee, I was being really selfish by keeping your excellent brew-thread to myself - hoping nobody would notice... sorry.
A small correction: it's not tomorrow morning here any more. It's this morning still, although, according to the times given here, it's yesterday today! And here are the winning Lotto balls: pink, blue, a sort of muddy yellow one, red, another red and a really dreadful one with strange chocolate dragons painted on the side. (Feline! Stop playing with the Lotto Machine!!)
Re your nickname... I thought Glen Eric Reed WAS your nom-de-plume. Come on admit it, your real name is something like OkK9%!!^#$... come on, it's true isn't it? I'm sure I know your cousin *7%%>/?73.
A small correction: it's not tomorrow morning here any more. It's this morning still, although, according to the times given here, it's yesterday today! And here are the winning Lotto balls: pink, blue, a sort of muddy yellow one, red, another red and a really dreadful one with strange chocolate dragons painted on the side. (Feline! Stop playing with the Lotto Machine!!)
Re your nickname... I thought Glen Eric Reed WAS your nom-de-plume. Come on admit it, your real name is something like OkK9%!!^#$... come on, it's true isn't it? I'm sure I know your cousin *7%%>/?73.
feline
Reply #427 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 12:04 PM
Reply #427 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 12:04 PM
Elf, the book by its self is unlikely to help 
however, hopefully it will give you more insight into how males (and females) tend to think, and the differences in how men and women tend to me.
i do feel that you two need to start comunitating more. talking isnt always the same thing, especially if you are not making your feeling about this situation clear.
you dont seem to have any real idea of what he thinks and feels. i suspect this uncertanty isnt helping you to feel all stable, wanted and loved
however, hopefully it will give you more insight into how males (and females) tend to think, and the differences in how men and women tend to me.
i do feel that you two need to start comunitating more. talking isnt always the same thing, especially if you are not making your feeling about this situation clear.
you dont seem to have any real idea of what he thinks and feels. i suspect this uncertanty isnt helping you to feel all stable, wanted and loved
feline
Reply #428 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 2:09 PM
Reply #428 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 2:09 PM
Glen Eric Reed - and "millenia" and "immediate" in the last one.
(Have I mentioned I make my living as an editor? )
this reminds me
another thing i am going to do once galactic conquest has been achieved is to get the spelling of the English language fixed!
obviously my spelling is suitable, since people understand what i am saying. therefore the dictionaries should be updated to reflect this new understanding
(Have I mentioned I make my living as an editor? )
this reminds me
another thing i am going to do once galactic conquest has been achieved is to get the spelling of the English language fixed!
obviously my spelling is suitable, since people understand what i am saying. therefore the dictionaries should be updated to reflect this new understanding
Ruthven
Reply #429 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 4:00 PM
Reply #429 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 4:00 PM
Loid... I think my point was we're all hopeless coffee devotees here (or several of us, at least), and this thread had a coffee bent to it for a while. And I'm still confused about the time difference, but I've placed my bet on your lottery recommendations.
I guess "Glen Eric Reed" will be as close as I come to a nom de plume here, at any rate. On the plus side, any pseudonymous stuff I've done elsewhere remains generally unknown. On the minus side, I can be stalked crazy skin fanatics. OkK9%!!^#$ indeed.
feline... Sorry, screwy as it may be, the English language has its rules, and needs no fixing per se. Of course, on here we have a conglomeration of British English, American English, and Australian English. I suppose adding Felinian English won't hurt any.
And the "people understand what I'm saying" excuse works great. All other things being equal, however, it makes you appear less intelligent. (And please don't take that remark as me implying that you're not intelligent ... in your case, all other things aren't equal, and you're coming off at least reasonably intelligent to me.)
Okay, anyone else I can insult?
I guess "Glen Eric Reed" will be as close as I come to a nom de plume here, at any rate. On the plus side, any pseudonymous stuff I've done elsewhere remains generally unknown. On the minus side, I can be stalked crazy skin fanatics. OkK9%!!^#$ indeed.
feline... Sorry, screwy as it may be, the English language has its rules, and needs no fixing per se. Of course, on here we have a conglomeration of British English, American English, and Australian English. I suppose adding Felinian English won't hurt any.
And the "people understand what I'm saying" excuse works great. All other things being equal, however, it makes you appear less intelligent. (And please don't take that remark as me implying that you're not intelligent ... in your case, all other things aren't equal, and you're coming off at least reasonably intelligent to me.)
Okay, anyone else I can insult?
LoidiBoid
Reply #430 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 6:14 PM
Reply #430 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 6:14 PM
Glen Eric Reed - confused about time differences...
Aren't we all!
But basically what ever it is there, it probably isn't here (but that depends on where there is and if here is here, there is there and where everywhere is at a given point in time there (or here). Hope that clears it up. For the record, it's Thursday morning here, a little past 10 am. But elsewhere it isn't.
I have a great little app called "World Clock" on my rig which tells me days and times anywhere on the planet. Each time I go on line it automatically sychronizes with an "Atomic Clock", so I'm always accurate. It also chimes the sounds of Big Ben every quarter hour, which I find soothing for some reason.
Er, tempus fugit a bit - it's now 10.13 am... better hit submit or I'll be here all day!
Aren't we all!
But basically what ever it is there, it probably isn't here (but that depends on where there is and if here is here, there is there and where everywhere is at a given point in time there (or here). Hope that clears it up. For the record, it's Thursday morning here, a little past 10 am. But elsewhere it isn't. I have a great little app called "World Clock" on my rig which tells me days and times anywhere on the planet. Each time I go on line it automatically sychronizes with an "Atomic Clock", so I'm always accurate. It also chimes the sounds of Big Ben every quarter hour, which I find soothing for some reason.
Er, tempus fugit a bit - it's now 10.13 am... better hit submit or I'll be here all day!
Elfkura
Reply #431 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 7:59 PM
Reply #431 Wednesday, March 6, 2002 7:59 PM
Ahhhh, and I return again
Been a rather odd day. I haven't slept much, probably about 5 hours, and woke up when Rob called me.
hmm..his keyboard is sticky..I wonder why.
Got out today finally, and got some decent food at a Japanese Restaurant. Went grocery shopping (well yeah.... I ate all the food...which isn't much....the past five days).
In the process of watching AI, and the movie is pretty depressing. It just proves yet again how un-accomidating and how un-feeling the human race can be. Besides it reflecting in the way that a woman, being so damn sentimental, can't accept a little robot because... it's a robot, and it has so much more to learn. It makes me wonder. Mothers always want a child who's keen on learning, on being good, and when the chance comes up... she throws it away. That... pisses me off
And being a child? The movie used a bunch of morons to portray the young population. I was actually pretty insulted by one of the child "nerds." Hehe.
Coffee? Nahhhhhh. Hot Chocolate is the way to go
Been a rather odd day. I haven't slept much, probably about 5 hours, and woke up when Rob called me.
hmm..his keyboard is sticky..I wonder why.
Got out today finally, and got some decent food at a Japanese Restaurant. Went grocery shopping (well yeah.... I ate all the food...which isn't much....the past five days).
In the process of watching AI, and the movie is pretty depressing. It just proves yet again how un-accomidating and how un-feeling the human race can be. Besides it reflecting in the way that a woman, being so damn sentimental, can't accept a little robot because... it's a robot, and it has so much more to learn. It makes me wonder. Mothers always want a child who's keen on learning, on being good, and when the chance comes up... she throws it away. That... pisses me off
And being a child? The movie used a bunch of morons to portray the young population. I was actually pretty insulted by one of the child "nerds." Hehe.
Coffee? Nahhhhhh. Hot Chocolate is the way to go
Ruthven
Reply #432 Thursday, March 7, 2002 8:19 AM
Reply #432 Thursday, March 7, 2002 8:19 AM
Loid... aha, the time situation is now clear. Of course, that's only because you said what day and time it was in your post, but the day and time posted correspond to my local time. Therefore hence, I now know you're 16 hours ahead of me... so it's now about twenty after midnight there.
Of course, none of that works if I actually look anything up. I guess I could just do it the easy way and hit the "Sydney" button on the clock that's sitting on my desk. That tells me it's twenty after 11. Meaning it's still today there. Which explains why I didn't win the lottery yesterday.
Elfy... not enough caffeine in hot chocolate. Granted, it's tasty, but I'd either fall asleep during the day or be awake and cranky with a killer headache.
Of course, none of that works if I actually look anything up. I guess I could just do it the easy way and hit the "Sydney" button on the clock that's sitting on my desk. That tells me it's twenty after 11. Meaning it's still today there. Which explains why I didn't win the lottery yesterday.
Elfy... not enough caffeine in hot chocolate. Granted, it's tasty, but I'd either fall asleep during the day or be awake and cranky with a killer headache.
feline
Reply #433 Thursday, March 7, 2002 9:24 AM
Reply #433 Thursday, March 7, 2002 9:24 AM
Glen Eric Reed - And the "people understand what I'm saying" excuse works great. All other things being equal, however, it makes you appear less intelligent.
this is actually quite an interesting "observation".
it is very human, and initially it makes sence. however, the real point is, what group of people are you speaking for?
the reason i ask is that when i did maths at university (not actually proof of inteligence) it was observed that most (all?) of the maths and physics students had several traits in common:
a) there spelling of english was considered appauling
their grammer was often off the wall
c) hand writing was normally totaly illegible
d) they all had an unnateral fear of essay writing
so, in this group of supposedly inteligent people, a "lateral" approach to spelling was considered normal, and didnt reflect on your perceived inteligence.
now i work with computers, which complicates matters more. i live in england, but the computers normally require american spelling of various "basic" words, including color and centre.
this is just the begining of the fun though. a lot of the code i deal with has been written by other programmers, some of whom have spelling nearly as "interesting" as mine. combine this with the inate lazyness of most programmers (leading to the shortest possible words being used) and leaving out half the letters of some words becomes required english usage
drifting back more torwards my personal take on english, there are a couple of interesting points to bare in mind.
i was quite good at chemistry, even with the lovely long chemical names i had to spell. the thing with them is that they are logicaly structured.
"fixing" my spelling is actually something i have given up, since MS Office 2000 (probably several hundred pounds worth of software) is quite useless at working out what i am trying to spell. i have a 6 year old pocket sized electronic dictionarry (worth about 5 pounds) that does a far better job. its just to slow for regular use.
"english doesnt need fixing" - i like the observation (i forget where i first saw it), an inteligent child goes to school, and the teacher tells the child that enuf is spelt enough. the child concludes that the teacher doesnt know what they are talking about, and ignores then
stepping back from this circular discussion, what is actually ment by "perceived inteligence" anyway? what do you mean by inteligence?
this is actually quite an interesting "observation".
it is very human, and initially it makes sence. however, the real point is, what group of people are you speaking for?
the reason i ask is that when i did maths at university (not actually proof of inteligence) it was observed that most (all?) of the maths and physics students had several traits in common:
a) there spelling of english was considered appauling
their grammer was often off the wallc) hand writing was normally totaly illegible
d) they all had an unnateral fear of essay writing
so, in this group of supposedly inteligent people, a "lateral" approach to spelling was considered normal, and didnt reflect on your perceived inteligence.
now i work with computers, which complicates matters more. i live in england, but the computers normally require american spelling of various "basic" words, including color and centre.
this is just the begining of the fun though. a lot of the code i deal with has been written by other programmers, some of whom have spelling nearly as "interesting" as mine. combine this with the inate lazyness of most programmers (leading to the shortest possible words being used) and leaving out half the letters of some words becomes required english usage
drifting back more torwards my personal take on english, there are a couple of interesting points to bare in mind.
i was quite good at chemistry, even with the lovely long chemical names i had to spell. the thing with them is that they are logicaly structured.
"fixing" my spelling is actually something i have given up, since MS Office 2000 (probably several hundred pounds worth of software) is quite useless at working out what i am trying to spell. i have a 6 year old pocket sized electronic dictionarry (worth about 5 pounds) that does a far better job. its just to slow for regular use.
"english doesnt need fixing" - i like the observation (i forget where i first saw it), an inteligent child goes to school, and the teacher tells the child that enuf is spelt enough. the child concludes that the teacher doesnt know what they are talking about, and ignores then
stepping back from this circular discussion, what is actually ment by "perceived inteligence" anyway? what do you mean by inteligence?
Doreen
Reply #434 Thursday, March 7, 2002 9:52 AM
Reply #434 Thursday, March 7, 2002 9:52 AM
What? I've been missing out on all this good Dear Abby stuff!
Doreen tries to get all caught up here...
Elf, the book by its self is unlikely to help
however, hopefully it will give you more insight into how males (and females) tend to think, and the differences in how men and women tend to me.
by feline - 3/6/2002 12:04:44 PM
Elf don't waste your time in a book regarding trying to understand ppl, no book on earth can explain ppl and their individual personalities, not one! you cannot catagorize ppl, each one is different...
you just need to follow your heart, it's that simple, and if you and Rob are having probs this early on, your heart should not feel right, don't make a mistake and waste precious time on something that ain't right move on, mistakes cause wasted time...
Doreen tries to get all caught up here...
Elf, the book by its self is unlikely to help
however, hopefully it will give you more insight into how males (and females) tend to think, and the differences in how men and women tend to me.
by feline - 3/6/2002 12:04:44 PM
Elf don't waste your time in a book regarding trying to understand ppl, no book on earth can explain ppl and their individual personalities, not one! you cannot catagorize ppl, each one is different...
you just need to follow your heart, it's that simple, and if you and Rob are having probs this early on, your heart should not feel right, don't make a mistake and waste precious time on something that ain't right move on, mistakes cause wasted time...
Doreen
Reply #435 Thursday, March 7, 2002 9:53 AM
Reply #435 Thursday, March 7, 2002 9:53 AM
mistakes cause wasted time
and wisdom...
Doreen is very wise... hehe
and wisdom...
Doreen is very wise... hehe
Doreen
Reply #436 Thursday, March 7, 2002 9:56 AM
Reply #436 Thursday, March 7, 2002 9:56 AM
and has wasted alot of time... hehe
okay maybe you should not even listen to me =/
okay maybe you should not even listen to me =/
feline
Reply #437 Thursday, March 7, 2002 10:10 AM
Reply #437 Thursday, March 7, 2002 10:10 AM
feline listens to Doreen
feline beleives in trying to learning from wise and knowledgable people
you do have a point about books, but at least they are always there for you, and it may give you some ideas / insight
feline beleives in trying to learning from wise and knowledgable people
you do have a point about books, but at least they are always there for you, and it may give you some ideas / insight
craeonics
Reply #438 Thursday, March 7, 2002 10:17 AM
Reply #438 Thursday, March 7, 2002 10:17 AM
craeonics notes: reading this thread from the bottom upwards makes no sense
Ruthven
Reply #439 Thursday, March 7, 2002 11:30 AM
Reply #439 Thursday, March 7, 2002 11:30 AM
Reading this thread from the top down doesn't make much sense either
Ruthven
Reply #440 Thursday, March 7, 2002 11:41 AM
Reply #440 Thursday, March 7, 2002 11:41 AM
feline... Wow, that was quite a lot to say there. I'm not speaking for any one group of people, except, I suppose, for those who recognize misspellings and bad grammar. Obviously, no one appears less intelligent to people who actually ARE less intelligent.
My background is diverse enough that I've attended classes or worked alongside people in everything from math to computers to science to linguistics to literature to creative writing. My strengths always tended toward math and computers, which is part of why I ended up as an Editor with a Liberal Arts degree -- I prefer being challenged.
The point is, there are rules of grammar just like there are rules of coding. Imagine poor grammar as a poorly-written HTML file. Yes, most browsers will parse the file and present a reasonably viewable page to the end-user. But there's always a browser out there that will generate an error since it won't know what the hell you're talking about. Hence the arguments for cross-browser compatibility, and one of my gripes about the WC pages (but I digress....)
Also, MS Office is a word processor, not a spelling processor or a grammar processor. It drives me nuts when people run stuff through Word's spell checker and grammar checker and assume they're fine when it's done. Those features are damn near useless.
And if I really need to define intelligence, perhaps I have overestimated you "Perceived intelligence" is just that -- how smart others think you are.
My background is diverse enough that I've attended classes or worked alongside people in everything from math to computers to science to linguistics to literature to creative writing. My strengths always tended toward math and computers, which is part of why I ended up as an Editor with a Liberal Arts degree -- I prefer being challenged.
The point is, there are rules of grammar just like there are rules of coding. Imagine poor grammar as a poorly-written HTML file. Yes, most browsers will parse the file and present a reasonably viewable page to the end-user. But there's always a browser out there that will generate an error since it won't know what the hell you're talking about. Hence the arguments for cross-browser compatibility, and one of my gripes about the WC pages (but I digress....)
Also, MS Office is a word processor, not a spelling processor or a grammar processor. It drives me nuts when people run stuff through Word's spell checker and grammar checker and assume they're fine when it's done. Those features are damn near useless.
And if I really need to define intelligence, perhaps I have overestimated you
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Reply #421 Tuesday, March 5, 2002 7:01 PM
I'm there right now, and I can't find a damn thing to break...... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
(had another phone fight with rob this morning. *sigh*)
Feline, Maybe I should go read that book. It may help me and this relationship just a little bit.