MAC-icon rips
Friday, January 11, 2002 by c242 | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I personally think, that 75 percent of those Mac to XP icon-conversions are done and uploaded without permission... Does anybody else feel bad about that ? I'm still waiting for a certain permission just to see that someone else takes my idea from a screenshot and uploads part of it. (Just a side-note...)
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Hell Dragon
Reply #22 Monday, January 14, 2002 7:34 PM
Reply #22 Monday, January 14, 2002 7:34 PM
I totally agree with you 100% Koasati... a rip is a rip, in theory anyway.
In practice, it's near impossible to stop every rip.
If you think about it like that, all the Aqua/BeOS skins/icons etc.. are rips and should all be removed. Also all the XP skins/wallpapers/icons are also rips.
I might be wrong, but if my memory serves me correctly, I think IconFactory created the XP icons... they are owned by Microsoft of course, but there is a _name_ to but to them... so I guess they're not just some faceless company's creations.
Unfortunately, It's just not going to happen, most people would rather just convert other OS's icons/artwork then actually think up and create something new, original and fresh.
And a lot of the time that's exactly what users want... they want to imitate other OS's and explore different looks on their system.
Who's going to be the first person to ask for all the XP skins & icons to be taken down from all the sites out there?
not me... it's more hassle then it's worth, believe me.
In a perfect world... maybe.
In practice, it's near impossible to stop every rip.
If you think about it like that, all the Aqua/BeOS skins/icons etc.. are rips and should all be removed. Also all the XP skins/wallpapers/icons are also rips.
I might be wrong, but if my memory serves me correctly, I think IconFactory created the XP icons... they are owned by Microsoft of course, but there is a _name_ to but to them... so I guess they're not just some faceless company's creations.
Unfortunately, It's just not going to happen, most people would rather just convert other OS's icons/artwork then actually think up and create something new, original and fresh.
And a lot of the time that's exactly what users want... they want to imitate other OS's and explore different looks on their system.
Who's going to be the first person to ask for all the XP skins & icons to be taken down from all the sites out there?
not me... it's more hassle then it's worth, believe me.
In a perfect world... maybe.
Firestorm
Reply #23 Monday, January 14, 2002 7:49 PM
Reply #23 Monday, January 14, 2002 7:49 PM
Microsoft endorses WindowBlinds, having given them their stamp of approval and a spot on the XP catalog. If they don't have a problem with a program that lets users apply Luna-based skins (and which, in fact, includes a Luna clone among its sample skins), why should you?
c242
Reply #24 Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:36 AM
Reply #24 Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:36 AM
So it came as it should come... There is a intense ripping of MMIcons going on in the Neowin boards. Permission ? No...
Jafo
Reply #25 Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:06 AM
Reply #25 Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:06 AM
Koasati...
No, I am a little more 'global' than that.
At no time was I inferring that rip concerns only applied to what happens on this site. If that was the case, I wouldn't be taking such a stand on each and every other skinning site as I do here.
Check DevART, for example....pretty-well every rip-related thread there has me commenting somewhere....
All 'third-party',individual skinners and/or groups/companies thereof deserve the same protection.
It's more a case of trying to distinguish between 'porting' and out-right 'ripping'...
No, I am a little more 'global' than that.
At no time was I inferring that rip concerns only applied to what happens on this site. If that was the case, I wouldn't be taking such a stand on each and every other skinning site as I do here.
Check DevART, for example....pretty-well every rip-related thread there has me commenting somewhere....
All 'third-party',individual skinners and/or groups/companies thereof deserve the same protection.
It's more a case of trying to distinguish between 'porting' and out-right 'ripping'...
Jafo
Reply #26 Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:10 AM
Reply #26 Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:10 AM
There is a difference between getting an OS and modifying its graphics, and getting another skinner's graphics and modifying his.
I really think that it's open-season on the OS, but definitely not on another's personal interpretation of same...
I really think that it's open-season on the OS, but definitely not on another's personal interpretation of same...
AJCrowley
Reply #27 Tuesday, January 15, 2002 3:29 PM
Reply #27 Tuesday, January 15, 2002 3:29 PM
Just to throw in my share of stirring, the mIRC icon in the Mac Icon pack linked to at the top is from my mIRC DesktopX Zoomer, which was original work. Not that I really care that much, just thought I'd give myself credit where credit was due, since nobody else seems too concerned about doing it 
AJ
AJ
adni18
Reply #28 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 4:05 AM
Reply #28 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 4:05 AM
"There is a difference between getting an OS and modifying its graphics, and getting another skinner's graphics and modifying his.
I really think that it's open-season on the OS, but definitely not on another's personal interpretation of same..."
I agree with you Jafo, but have you notice my tread above?
Also there is another package that it says "An elegant combination of icons from many different authors here at Wincustomize.com"....what is this?
I really think that it's open-season on the OS, but definitely not on another's personal interpretation of same..."
I agree with you Jafo, but have you notice my tread above?
Also there is another package that it says "An elegant combination of icons from many different authors here at Wincustomize.com"....what is this?
craeonics
Reply #29 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 4:20 AM
Reply #29 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 4:20 AM
Port without permission == rip, therefore, all OS ports are rips.
Jafo
Reply #30 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:43 AM
Reply #30 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:43 AM
Crae...I still say there is a difference between porting an OS and porting another skinner's WinAMP skin into Coolplayer, for example. It 'may' be subtle, but it's there, all the same...
Adni...the only way that a 'collection of icons' by other authors 'should' be allowed to be uploaded is with the express permission of each and every one of those authors. The re-distribution of another's artwork without permission is 'ripping'[by the omission of consent]...
[and not the 'porting' of OS's, crae... ]
Adni...the only way that a 'collection of icons' by other authors 'should' be allowed to be uploaded is with the express permission of each and every one of those authors. The re-distribution of another's artwork without permission is 'ripping'[by the omission of consent]...
[and not the 'porting' of OS's, crae...
]
craeonics
Reply #31 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:09 AM
Reply #31 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:09 AM
The difference is that hell will freeze over before an OS-giant will give you permission. Besides, no-one will deny that they are ports of that OS, so it's all good, right?
Now the fun starts when those ports are ripped (again). Then what do you do?
And where do you draw the line? So it's okay to rob big corps. Is it also okay to rob smaller corps? Say I steal that WinCustomize lizard, modify it and upload it without permission. Is it still cool then?
Not trying to nag here, but my point is clarity. Ban rips or don't ban them, but don't take no middle stand.
Okay, I am nagging. Ports are the spawn of Satan!
Now the fun starts when those ports are ripped (again). Then what do you do?
And where do you draw the line? So it's okay to rob big corps. Is it also okay to rob smaller corps? Say I steal that WinCustomize lizard, modify it and upload it without permission. Is it still cool then?
Not trying to nag here, but my point is clarity. Ban rips or don't ban them, but don't take no middle stand.
Okay, I am nagging. Ports are the spawn of Satan!
adni18
Reply #32 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:54 PM
Reply #32 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:54 PM
Jafo,
I don't understand.....
If it is a rip why we are still have them in our database (WinCustomize)?
I am talking about 2 icon packages, the "MacOS Modern v2" and the "Patchwork", which are 100% rips.
Are we waiting for complaints from the original authors before having any action?
I don't understand.....
I don't understand.....
If it is a rip why we are still have them in our database (WinCustomize)?
I am talking about 2 icon packages, the "MacOS Modern v2" and the "Patchwork", which are 100% rips.
Are we waiting for complaints from the original authors before having any action?
I don't understand.....
jtfolden
Reply #33 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 5:24 PM
Reply #33 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 5:24 PM
Well, I must be the anti-christ himself then with all the OS ports I do... However, I also see a subtle difference between ports and 'normal' rips in most cases.
In the case of porting the 'look' of an OS to WindowBlinds or whatever, it's not a matter of directly stealing the graphic files used on the OS in question, simply copying them to your skin folder and -bam- you have a theme using them unmodified. In many cases it takes hours of time and work to recreate something that fits within the framework of the skinnable app and still make it resemble the original OS. There's also usually no attempt to hide credit where the original inspiration comes from, either.
OTOH, I've seen several instances where someone comes along and rips one of my themes. They don't modify the graphics, they simply change the author name in the UIS file and readme...no thought goes into it, no real time, and no real work. They've stolen the image files and the way it is constructed entirely.
If someone rips one of my OS ports then it gets reported and removed, which I had to do just recently in fact... So there's not much of a question as to what happens there.
In the case of porting the 'look' of an OS to WindowBlinds or whatever, it's not a matter of directly stealing the graphic files used on the OS in question, simply copying them to your skin folder and -bam- you have a theme using them unmodified. In many cases it takes hours of time and work to recreate something that fits within the framework of the skinnable app and still make it resemble the original OS. There's also usually no attempt to hide credit where the original inspiration comes from, either.
OTOH, I've seen several instances where someone comes along and rips one of my themes. They don't modify the graphics, they simply change the author name in the UIS file and readme...no thought goes into it, no real time, and no real work. They've stolen the image files and the way it is constructed entirely.
If someone rips one of my OS ports then it gets reported and removed, which I had to do just recently in fact... So there's not much of a question as to what happens there.
Hell Dragon
Reply #34 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:15 PM
Reply #34 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:15 PM
The Patchwork icon set https://www.wincustomize.com/skins.asp?searchtext=patchwork&library=2&sort=updatedate&order=Descending&image1.x=21&image1.y=18 by Raistlin-Elijah is a Rip... I reported it several months ago, but it looks like he may have re-uploaded/updated it.
It's plain to see it's a rip of various copland's icons mixed in with some of Scrow's, random XP icons and quite a few of Jon Wojan's ( http://www.digitalgarage.net ) glass icons.
And there is no permission in the zip.
It's plain to see it's a rip of various copland's icons mixed in with some of Scrow's, random XP icons and quite a few of Jon Wojan's ( http://www.digitalgarage.net ) glass icons.
And there is no permission in the zip.
Jafo
Reply #35 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:53 PM
Reply #35 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 8:53 PM
Crae....more accurately, hell will freeze over before an OS giant will request a port be removed...
[Not counting certain issues with Apple in the past, that is].
Also, is my creation of a LiteSTEP theme emulating the 'appearance' of a Commodore 64 a 'rip', a 'port', or just an 'inspired theme'?
To be a rip, it would have to be a new OS, the same as the original one....[it isn't an OS]
To be a port, it would have to at least use graphics from the original...[there are no graphics as such in the C64 OS..and the fonts are free-ware]
Inspired theme?....I thought so...
Hell...
I'm not all that up-to-speed with Icons, and icon makers....[I use LiteSTEP, which needs none]...but if there are reproduced icons belonging to one auther uploaded by another without permission then they should/will be removed....
[Not counting certain issues with Apple in the past, that is].
Also, is my creation of a LiteSTEP theme emulating the 'appearance' of a Commodore 64 a 'rip', a 'port', or just an 'inspired theme'?
To be a rip, it would have to be a new OS, the same as the original one....[it isn't an OS]
To be a port, it would have to at least use graphics from the original...[there are no graphics as such in the C64 OS..and the fonts are free-ware]
Inspired theme?....I thought so...
Hell...
I'm not all that up-to-speed with Icons, and icon makers....[I use LiteSTEP, which needs none]...but if there are reproduced icons belonging to one auther uploaded by another without permission then they should/will be removed....
Griffinme
Reply #36 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:47 PM
Reply #36 Wednesday, January 16, 2002 11:47 PM
What about making an icon for desktopX? Is creating an icon for MSWord using a W a rip? or IE using their E icon but changed to suit your needs a rip? You didn't create the icon but how else are you to represent that program?
Create an icon for each program? What if you use several programs that essentially do the same thing such as text edit? If you create an icon from scratch for each program it would get cunfusing and frustrating to the end user which defeats the whole purpose.
You can change it some to fit in with what your skin is doing, but if you change it too much it loses its functionality.
IMO That would be a rip, but a necessary one. In a way it is advertising for them. Besides, can you imagine emailing MS if you could use their E for explorer each time someone wanted to make a skin that used it.
Damn!! I should have copyrighted a button with an X on it.
Create an icon for each program? What if you use several programs that essentially do the same thing such as text edit? If you create an icon from scratch for each program it would get cunfusing and frustrating to the end user which defeats the whole purpose.
You can change it some to fit in with what your skin is doing, but if you change it too much it loses its functionality.
IMO That would be a rip, but a necessary one. In a way it is advertising for them. Besides, can you imagine emailing MS if you could use their E for explorer each time someone wanted to make a skin that used it.
Damn!! I should have copyrighted a button with an X on it.
craeonics
Reply #37 Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:32 AM
Reply #37 Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:32 AM
Too late, I've already copyrighted the minimise, maximise and close buttons. Bill owns me money big time now!!
craeonics
Reply #38 Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:33 AM
Reply #38 Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:33 AM
Wait, make that "owes". The man "owns" a lot, but not my money.
AJCrowley
Reply #39 Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:30 PM
Reply #39 Thursday, January 17, 2002 1:30 PM
You've copyrighted the window control buttons? Wow, you must be owed quite a bit of money, a fair amount of which is mine since you seem to like using vowels(tm) which are copyrighted by me.
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Reply #21 Monday, January 14, 2002 7:15 PM