If apple made a Intel version of OSX
Monday, January 7, 2002 by mormegil | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
If apple released a Intel version of OSX as it is rumored exist, would you buy it?, to dual boot?, or run stand alone? Would it be a good move for apple? What do you think?
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craeonics
Reply #42 Thursday, January 10, 2002 4:54 AM
Reply #42 Thursday, January 10, 2002 4:54 AM
I think it's always Windows users that haven't ran it that complain about the lack of software on the Mac. Fear, ridicule or look down on that which you do not know, so to speak.
Buzz: TreeView is the file manager you see in the back. It's like the folders bit in an explorer window, but on the Mac you see the files themselves in the tree too. Handy at times, unless when you have a shit load of files in a folder. Imagine browsing your win directory with it...
Buzz: TreeView is the file manager you see in the back. It's like the folders bit in an explorer window, but on the Mac you see the files themselves in the tree too. Handy at times, unless when you have a shit load of files in a folder. Imagine browsing your win directory with it...
paxx
Reply #43 Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:45 AM
Reply #43 Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:45 AM
I do not speak of what I do not know. Walk into any software store, you'll see all but one row of Mac software in the whole store. Go on a Download.com,TUCOWS or any shareware/freeware site and compare what is avilable for which plateforms. I agree, most of the big name applications are available for both (although not all are), but sometimes you just don't have the choice on a Mac. Take HTML editing for example, there just aren't any decent applications on the Mac plateform; sure there is BBEdit but I don't like it, but that's about the only choice you get. Homesite is by far the best on the market, but it's Windows only. Another example, the other day I found a very nice little program that makes the task of making cool effects in Flash very easy. The program is called Swish and again, it's PC only. Man, there are quite a number of examples like that... Just more familiar apps such as all the Object Desktop apps, Trillian, Litestep, Winamp, Colorpad or even... NextStart! 
mormegil
Reply #44 Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:47 AM
Reply #44 Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:47 AM
Microsoft my want to be a monopolie, but when it comes to macs apple is, by the very nature of there macheiens. It's OK with me I jsut think that It's not worth it for me, not even as a graphics persson do I need a mac anymore.
Jafo
Reply #45 Thursday, January 10, 2002 7:30 AM
Reply #45 Thursday, January 10, 2002 7:30 AM
mormegil...
monopolie - monopoly
there - their
macheiens - machines
jsut - just
persson - person
BTW....corrections all free of charge.....
monopolie - monopoly
there - their
macheiens - machines
jsut - just
persson - person
BTW....corrections all free of charge.....
craeonics
Reply #46 Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:06 AM
Reply #46 Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:06 AM
(wasn't talking about you paxxy)
Perspective shift: it's more like there's an abundance of apps on the Win-platform, than a lack of apps on the Mac.
Note that I rarely use Macs so all this is pure opinion.
Perspective shift: it's more like there's an abundance of apps on the Win-platform, than a lack of apps on the Mac.
Note that I rarely use Macs so all this is pure opinion.
Firestorm
Reply #47 Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:45 AM
Reply #47 Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:45 AM
I like the Mac OS (yes, even X). But the idea of not being as free to take the machine apart as I am with my PC is a big no-no. Hell, last week I messed so much with my box that I didn't even bother to put up the side panels for a while 
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Plus the idea of giving Steve Jobs money bothers me more than the idea of giving Bill Gates money. "Look at this, kids: Multicolored Macs. I've innovated personal computing again!"
I should just get an Amiga
çPlus the idea of giving Steve Jobs money bothers me more than the idea of giving Bill Gates money. "Look at this, kids: Multicolored Macs. I've innovated personal computing again!"
I should just get an Amiga
jtfolden
Reply #49 Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:42 PM
Reply #49 Thursday, January 10, 2002 5:42 PM
I think that's a pretty good call, Crae...
Having 10 times more software in a given category on Windows vs the mac doesn't always mean a whole heck of a lot if 95% are junk and all you really need are 1 or 2 quality apps to choose from...
If you're partial to one particular app then you might be hurting but there are valid choices. ...and for people who like Linux, there are more and more unix apps crossing over every day.
I don't need Trillian, I've got Proteus and Fire.app to just name two. I would never choose WinAMP over iTunes or Audion. Don't need Colorpad when DigitalColor Meter is included right in OS X. Haven't even felt the need to look for LiteStep or NextSTART replacements as the X GUI is pretty darn stable and slick to begin with...but again there are plenty of desktop additions and utils for X, including DragThing, Snard, NexBar, PocketDock, space.dock and the list goes on and on... There's certainly no lack of really nice Dock apps on X which you won't find on Win.
Sure there are individual titles that are missing from the Mac (who wouldn't mind seeing something like WB or IconPackager from OD but we've got Duality for X now which might eventually turn into something useful) but then there are plenty of useful titles for OS X that I don't see equal replacements for on Win: No Sherlock or Watson (which is an amazingly handy app), no iPhoto, no OmniWeb, no RBrowser, just to name a few cheap/freebie/shareware utils.
I'm having more fun and being more productive using a computer than I have in years, probably since OS/2, and I'm not suffering from a lack of apps at all.
Having 10 times more software in a given category on Windows vs the mac doesn't always mean a whole heck of a lot if 95% are junk and all you really need are 1 or 2 quality apps to choose from...
If you're partial to one particular app then you might be hurting but there are valid choices. ...and for people who like Linux, there are more and more unix apps crossing over every day.
I don't need Trillian, I've got Proteus and Fire.app to just name two. I would never choose WinAMP over iTunes or Audion. Don't need Colorpad when DigitalColor Meter is included right in OS X. Haven't even felt the need to look for LiteStep or NextSTART replacements as the X GUI is pretty darn stable and slick to begin with...but again there are plenty of desktop additions and utils for X, including DragThing, Snard, NexBar, PocketDock, space.dock and the list goes on and on... There's certainly no lack of really nice Dock apps on X which you won't find on Win.
Sure there are individual titles that are missing from the Mac (who wouldn't mind seeing something like WB or IconPackager from OD but we've got Duality for X now which might eventually turn into something useful) but then there are plenty of useful titles for OS X that I don't see equal replacements for on Win: No Sherlock or Watson (which is an amazingly handy app), no iPhoto, no OmniWeb, no RBrowser, just to name a few cheap/freebie/shareware utils.
I'm having more fun and being more productive using a computer than I have in years, probably since OS/2, and I'm not suffering from a lack of apps at all.
LancerKMT
Reply #51 Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:37 PM
Reply #51 Thursday, January 10, 2002 11:37 PM
Machintosh are like the Mercedes Benz of the Computers
Firestorm
Reply #52 Friday, January 11, 2002 12:06 AM
Reply #52 Friday, January 11, 2002 12:06 AM
Yes... Expensive, flashy, and not at all essential.
mormegil
Reply #53 Friday, January 11, 2002 6:49 AM
Reply #53 Friday, January 11, 2002 6:49 AM
The only problem with the Macintosh “Nice” car analogy is that you don’t have to dive your Mercedes Benz on completely separate roods and use a special gas no other car can use.
craeonics
Reply #54 Friday, January 11, 2002 9:19 AM
Reply #54 Friday, January 11, 2002 9:19 AM
That's why I find the Net so cool when I first strolled onto it six years ago. All these machines running different OSes talking to each other. Ain't that grand? The sooner any app can run on any OS, the better.
craeonics
Reply #55 Friday, January 11, 2002 9:20 AM
Reply #55 Friday, January 11, 2002 9:20 AM
find = found
craeonics notes: "don't shift from present to past in your sentence without fixing them verbs"
craeonics notes: "don't shift from present to past in your sentence without fixing them verbs"
jtfolden
Reply #56 Friday, January 11, 2002 4:00 PM
Reply #56 Friday, January 11, 2002 4:00 PM
That doesn't quite hold up mormegil, IMO... Macs still use the same electricity for fuel as PC's do... and they DO still drive on the same roads - same internet, can save to the same file formats as Windows, can be networked together, etc...
The only real difference is that the dashboard and driving controls are a little diferent... Sure, some after factory parts intended for a Buick might not work in a BMW, but would you really want to use Buick parts in a BMW when the BMW has a rather healthy after market parts selection of it's own?
The only real difference is that the dashboard and driving controls are a little diferent... Sure, some after factory parts intended for a Buick might not work in a BMW, but would you really want to use Buick parts in a BMW when the BMW has a rather healthy after market parts selection of it's own?
Splash0453
Reply #57 Monday, January 14, 2002 4:08 AM
Reply #57 Monday, January 14, 2002 4:08 AM
If you are saying a mac is a BMW and a Windows machine is a Buick, then the Buick has a lot more optional extras.
I think apps running on any OS is definately a good theng, then anyone could have the OS they WANT! Not be stuck with a certain one (Windows) because it is by far the most compatible. There are probably 20 windows apps to every mac app. Shame really. If that wasn't the case, I know what I'd be running!
I think apps running on any OS is definately a good theng, then anyone could have the OS they WANT! Not be stuck with a certain one (Windows) because it is by far the most compatible. There are probably 20 windows apps to every mac app. Shame really. If that wasn't the case, I know what I'd be running!
mormegil
Reply #58 Monday, January 14, 2002 6:46 AM
Reply #58 Monday, January 14, 2002 6:46 AM
Get me a right mouse button that is functional, and integrated in to the apps and I might you the Mac I already have access to.
jtfolden
Reply #59 Monday, January 14, 2002 6:56 AM
Reply #59 Monday, January 14, 2002 6:56 AM
Assuming your Mac supports OS X (G3 systems and higher) then install it and buy a 2 button mouse. I'm using a cordless Logitech Trackman Wheel with my G4... No drivers needed. Wheel works nicely, too... never realized how much I'd use the wheel until I actually got it.
As a nice bonus, the 2nd mouse button also functions with many OS9 apps when running under "Classic" mode in OS X.
As a nice bonus, the 2nd mouse button also functions with many OS9 apps when running under "Classic" mode in OS X.
mormegil
Reply #60 Monday, January 14, 2002 11:48 AM
Reply #60 Monday, January 14, 2002 11:48 AM
The difference between what Macs call right mouse support and the full integration in windows is night and day.
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Reply #41 Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:45 AM
by Master mormegil - 1/9/2002 11:51:30 PM
i heard that microsoft has demands of Monopolio...