If apple made a Intel version of OSX
Monday, January 7, 2002 by mormegil | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
If apple released a Intel version of OSX as it is rumored exist, would you buy it?, to dual boot?, or run stand alone? Would it be a good move for apple? What do you think?
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Frogboy
Reply #22 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 10:35 PM
Reply #22 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 10:35 PM
Oh yea? 
ObjectBar + WindowFX + ObjectDock + WindowBlinds + Treeview in action:
https://www.stardock.com/temp/winaquanew.jpg
And I get 100X more software to choose from (like Photoshop).
ObjectBar + WindowFX + ObjectDock + WindowBlinds + Treeview in action:
https://www.stardock.com/temp/winaquanew.jpg
And I get 100X more software to choose from (like Photoshop).
Firestorm
Reply #23 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 11:17 PM
Reply #23 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 11:17 PM
Brad, will you quit torturing us with that dock already?
jtfolden
Reply #24 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 11:24 PM
Reply #24 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 11:24 PM
Nice shot... Should turn off the Apple menu icons and move the systray to the left of the clock for a little more accuracy. List view arrows are a flat charcoal, as well. 
I've been fiddling with an Aqua Graphite theme for ObjectBar myself, just for personal use but I wasn't sure about releasing it though as the OB section already seems over flowing with Aqua and XP themes. ;-/ maybe I'll finish my NeXT/EUI theme for OB instead.
ObjectDock looks pretty darn NICE (other than the nasty icon quality), I tried to build one in OB and that was not possible. Know of anything that will do a proper column view like the OS X Finder?? Exploror doesn't cut it, I'm not fond of List/Tree view and I've been using WinBrowser under Win... it's not bad but not exactly *right* either.
...and I don't care about 100X more software, I only care about finding what I need and the quality of it. (Photoshop for OS X actually looks pretty nice but I'm not fond of PS really...I've been using Painter 7... or loading Photo-Paint for the real quickie stuff. I was surprised about PP after I first tried it, I always thought it was more beefy than it actually is...)
I've been fiddling with an Aqua Graphite theme for ObjectBar myself, just for personal use but I wasn't sure about releasing it though as the OB section already seems over flowing with Aqua and XP themes. ;-/ maybe I'll finish my NeXT/EUI theme for OB instead.
ObjectDock looks pretty darn NICE (other than the nasty icon quality), I tried to build one in OB and that was not possible. Know of anything that will do a proper column view like the OS X Finder?? Exploror doesn't cut it, I'm not fond of List/Tree view and I've been using WinBrowser under Win... it's not bad but not exactly *right* either.
...and I don't care about 100X more software, I only care about finding what I need and the quality of it. (Photoshop for OS X actually looks pretty nice but I'm not fond of PS really...I've been using Painter 7... or loading Photo-Paint for the real quickie stuff. I was surprised about PP after I first tried it, I always thought it was more beefy than it actually is...)
Frogboy
Reply #25 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 11:48 PM
Reply #25 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 11:48 PM
There is no PHotoshop for OS X yet was my understanding.
As a former NeXTSTep user, OS X is the closest thing to it. But I just don't like the Apple culture.
As a former NeXTSTep user, OS X is the closest thing to it. But I just don't like the Apple culture.
jtfolden
Reply #26 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 12:16 AM
Reply #26 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 12:16 AM
There's no retail release of Photoshop, it's currently only available in late beta to some... so I guess it depends on whether you consider 'beta' as an existing product. I've never really cared for PS on any platform so I'm not real pressed about it's final release, though I know quite a lot are.
If by "Apple culture" you mean that 'classic' group of people, rather like Amiga or OS/2 fanatics of old, then I tend to agree. Of course, I see those type of people on every platform, I just tend to ignore them mostly and use what works for me.
I've never really cared for PS on any platform so I'm not real pressed about it's final release, though I know quite a lot are.If by "Apple culture" you mean that 'classic' group of people, rather like Amiga or OS/2 fanatics of old, then I tend to agree. Of course, I see those type of people on every platform, I just tend to ignore them mostly and use what works for me.
AJCrowley
Reply #27 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 1:39 AM
Reply #27 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 1:39 AM
It's true, Apple have had some silly ideas in the past, mostly involving gimmickery to sell their hardware. Is it just me that has noticed the disproportionate number of Macs in movies and TV shows?
Mr. Folden, I have a copy of Aqua Finder for windows if you would like it, the place I got it from seems to have removed it, no doubt at the request of Apple. If you want me to send it just ICQ or email me.
Mr. Folden, I have a copy of Aqua Finder for windows if you would like it, the place I got it from seems to have removed it, no doubt at the request of Apple. If you want me to send it just ICQ or email me.
Firestorm
Reply #28 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 1:49 AM
Reply #28 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 1:49 AM
Don't get me started on a Apple product placement. I remember the early episodes of "Felicity." The guy playing the graphic design major mentioned his Mac (in detail) every other episode. Annoying as hell.
Uhh... Not that I'd ever watch Felicity
Uhh... Not that I'd ever watch Felicity
paxx
Reply #29 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 6:23 AM
Reply #29 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 6:23 AM
Apple spend a lot of money for product placement in movies.
But what kills me is when they show you somebody with an iBook, then on the screen you see it's clearly Windows.
But what kills me is when they show you somebody with an iBook, then on the screen you see it's clearly Windows.
Sean111
Reply #30 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 8:50 AM
Reply #30 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 8:50 AM
Windows is so big due to the range of programs it has. Newer versions of Linux have the wine command but it's a pain in the but and has a help file almost as big as the php4 documentation. When Linx starts making it easier to run windoiws apps on the OS they will start taking an even bigger place in the market. Besides it's a free OS and no more $200 for an upgrade. XP is good but not worth that much for an upgrade.
Jafo
Reply #31 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 9:34 AM
Reply #31 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 9:34 AM
I never had anything more than a passing curiosity regarding Mac's.......but it passed....
TasT
Reply #32 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 10:34 AM
Reply #32 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 10:34 AM
It all boils down to marketing and software availiability.
Buzz_Hog
Reply #33 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 4:38 PM
Reply #33 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 4:38 PM
frogboy loses 10 points for using AOL.
Ya almost had him there Brad...
Ya almost had him there Brad...
jtfolden
Reply #34 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 5:50 PM
Reply #34 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 5:50 PM
Linux is really one OS that I just don't see catching on where the general desktop user is concerned. It's got too many shortcomings and not enough mature apps of it's own. Having solid support for Windows apps, assuming it ever happened, might give it a momentary surge but I think that might do more harm than good in the long run. That's one of the problems with OS/2, I think. At the time, it ran Win apps just as good if not better than Windows...therefore software manufacturers had less of a need to develop platform specific titles. ...and if an OS has no native software, what's the point?
LancerKMT
Reply #35 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 7:25 PM
Reply #35 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 7:25 PM
jajajaja!!!!
Oh yea? []
ObjectBar + WindowFX + ObjectDock + WindowBlinds + Treeview in action:
[https://www.stardock.com/temp/winaquanew.jpg] Link
And I get 100X more software to choose from (like Photoshop). []
by Scribe Frogboy - 1/8/2002 10:35:26 PM
Oh yea? [
]ObjectBar + WindowFX + ObjectDock + WindowBlinds + Treeview in action:
[https://www.stardock.com/temp/winaquanew.jpg] Link
And I get 100X more software to choose from (like Photoshop). [
]by Scribe Frogboy - 1/8/2002 10:35:26 PM
paxx
Reply #38 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 11:14 PM
Reply #38 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 11:14 PM
JT: I totally disagree. I think they shoud, vote a law or something to force software compatibility! If all OS had a standard of some sort to run software, THEN it would really come down to which OS do people really prefer. Beeing forced to choose an OS just because more software are available for it is really ridiculous. It's reality right now, but it shouldn't be. One should choose an OS for a bunch of reasons: better GUI, more stability, more secure, faster, and a host of other reasons where the OS actually has some merit. Where is an OS's merit if a bunch of third parties make software for it?
And moreover, I think there are 2 main reasons Apple never made it: Price and lack of title availability. Well, that's how Apple lost me anyway. My first computer was a Mac Plus; had it for 7 years, and I totally loved it. But after so many years I had to buy a new computer. I chose a PC for those 2 reasons. But now I wouldn't go back.
As for Linux: all they need is a simple GUI, and that will come. Of course it won't be free anymore by then. A couple of previous Mac employees had a project to make the ultimate easiest GUI for Linux (Easel) but the project died for lack of funds. Life sux sometimes. :/
And moreover, I think there are 2 main reasons Apple never made it: Price and lack of title availability. Well, that's how Apple lost me anyway. My first computer was a Mac Plus; had it for 7 years, and I totally loved it. But after so many years I had to buy a new computer. I chose a PC for those 2 reasons. But now I wouldn't go back.
As for Linux: all they need is a simple GUI, and that will come. Of course it won't be free anymore by then. A couple of previous Mac employees had a project to make the ultimate easiest GUI for Linux (Easel) but the project died for lack of funds. Life sux sometimes. :/
mormegil
Reply #39 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 11:51 PM
Reply #39 Wednesday, January 9, 2002 11:51 PM
Lack of funds will kill most open source projects, why develop something if you just have to give the code away.
That is way windows will stay #1 for long into the future. OSX is a nice operating system, but I would never be able to use it exclusively simply because of lack of apps and I don’t like having my computer completely controlled by Apple. Who makes Microsoft seem lax in attempts to control my GUI.
If I could have a duel but system of XP and OSX I would buy it, But I would never give up my PC, PC’s are and will stay the best computer option as long into the future as I can see.
That’s just my opinion.
That is way windows will stay #1 for long into the future. OSX is a nice operating system, but I would never be able to use it exclusively simply because of lack of apps and I don’t like having my computer completely controlled by Apple. Who makes Microsoft seem lax in attempts to control my GUI.
If I could have a duel but system of XP and OSX I would buy it, But I would never give up my PC, PC’s are and will stay the best computer option as long into the future as I can see.
That’s just my opinion.
jtfolden
Reply #40 Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:23 AM
Reply #40 Thursday, January 10, 2002 1:23 AM
I hear a lot of people talk about a 'lack of apps' where the mac is concerned but frankly I'm just not feeling it here at all. I suppose if I had some *very* specific needs or was a heavy gamer then it might be a problem but I haven't had any trouble finding any tool I need for the job. I've certainly felt it quite a bit in the past on other OS's like NeXT and OS/2 and a very brief - blink of an eye - flirtation with Linux...but not on the mac now. In fact, I've found some truly wonderful apps on the mac that I never found in such a nice, easy to use form under Windows.
As I always say, the best computer / OS option is the one that works best for *you*.
Personally, however, I think Linux needs a lot more than just a simple GUI... that doesn't even begin to cure the inconsistencies I found when giving it a trial run.
As I always say, the best computer / OS option is the one that works best for *you*.
Personally, however, I think Linux needs a lot more than just a simple GUI... that doesn't even begin to cure the inconsistencies I found when giving it a trial run.
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Reply #21 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 10:29 PM