If apple made a Intel version of OSX
Monday, January 7, 2002 by mormegil | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
If apple released a Intel version of OSX as it is rumored exist, would you buy it?, to dual boot?, or run stand alone? Would it be a good move for apple? What do you think?
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Ralman
Reply #5 Monday, January 7, 2002 8:08 PM
Reply #5 Monday, January 7, 2002 8:08 PM
Probably buy it and install on a stand alone machine. Then again, I have WinXP, Win2000, Win98, BeOS, two diff linux machines, and a Cobalt Raq unit here in the house. All in use mind you, and all on seperate equipment. Oh, then the next 'slabs' in the back room.
OSX is actually rather nice to use. The recent patches and upgrades have helped the stability alot. There is a pretty decent learning curve to switch from Windows to OSX. Yes, I have used it and gotten used to ir somewhat given the limited exposure, but color me impressed.
OSX is actually rather nice to use. The recent patches and upgrades have helped the stability alot. There is a pretty decent learning curve to switch from Windows to OSX. Yes, I have used it and gotten used to ir somewhat given the limited exposure, but color me impressed.
LancerKMT
Reply #6 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 12:07 AM
Reply #6 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 12:07 AM
uf! i think if that happend, we will have to go to the microsoft funeral...
That could be the microsoft die, definitively.
yea, i'd buy it.
That could be the microsoft die, definitively.
yea, i'd buy it.
Frogboy
Reply #7 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 12:28 AM
Reply #7 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 12:28 AM
If quality of OS mattered, we'd be using OS/2 today.
AJCrowley
Reply #8 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 1:21 AM
Reply #8 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 1:21 AM
I'd definitely be giving it a try, but what it would really come down to is application compatibility. If the apps I use for work and the handful of games I play were available for Linux, I'd be running that in the blink of an eye.
AJCrowley
Reply #9 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 1:29 AM
Reply #9 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 1:29 AM
Just out of curiosity, where did you hear this rumour? It seems highly improbable to me, even though it could be the move that really makes things happen for Apple, one of their main selling points is that they produce everything themselves...if you could run Mac stuff on a PC all of a sudden, I imagine they'd see a dramatic decrease in their hardware sales (that may well be outweighed by the increase in their software sales). It's an intriguing thought anyway.
LancerKMT
Reply #11 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 2:30 AM
Reply #11 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 2:30 AM
and yea!, that could be posible.
because there is a x86 version of Darwin...
oh oh
because there is a x86 version of Darwin...
oh oh
Frogboy
Reply #12 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 2:37 AM
Reply #12 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 2:37 AM
OS/2 in 1992 was lightyears ahead of MacOS or Windows. Not even a close call.
But quality didn't matter, distribution and marketing did and today we're stuck with Windows.
Sure, OSX is impressive, 9 years later.
But quality didn't matter, distribution and marketing did and today we're stuck with Windows.
Sure, OSX is impressive, 9 years later.
LancerKMT
Reply #13 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 2:57 AM
Reply #13 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 2:57 AM
Atari was impressive...
Windows was impresive...
Nintendo was impresive...
PlayStation was impresive...
Windows was impresive...
Nintendo was impresive...
PlayStation was impresive...
jtfolden
Reply #14 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 3:50 AM
Reply #14 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 3:50 AM
I wouldn't buy it because I already use it on a Power Mac G4 all day long. 
I've never been impressed with any version of Windows - NT4 and W2k were quite usable, however. OS/2 pretty much ran circles around Windows where flexibility and usability were concerned. There's still so many little touches that OS/2 just *got right* that I still don't see on the Windows platform.
OTOH, for my own personal tastes and way of working NeXT/OPENSTEP beat them all hands down...and since OS X is the closest I'm ever going to get to that type of usable system today, that's where I'm spending most of my time. In fact, the only reason I even log in to my Windows machine these days is for customer support and to fiddle with a few skinnable apps.
OPENSTEP has been impressive for well over 10 years and OS X just builds on that beautifully, IMO.
I also tend to think that Apple will not release an x86 version of the OS X client. They ARE a hardware company after all, and it just doesn't make good business sense... OTOH, I could see them creating a special release of OS X Server that ran on a very specific type of x86 hardware. This might help them make inroads into markets that would soften to the idea of Mac hardware clients later.
I've never been impressed with any version of Windows - NT4 and W2k were quite usable, however. OS/2 pretty much ran circles around Windows where flexibility and usability were concerned. There's still so many little touches that OS/2 just *got right* that I still don't see on the Windows platform.
OTOH, for my own personal tastes and way of working NeXT/OPENSTEP beat them all hands down...and since OS X is the closest I'm ever going to get to that type of usable system today, that's where I'm spending most of my time. In fact, the only reason I even log in to my Windows machine these days is for customer support and to fiddle with a few skinnable apps.
OPENSTEP has been impressive for well over 10 years and OS X just builds on that beautifully, IMO.
I also tend to think that Apple will not release an x86 version of the OS X client. They ARE a hardware company after all, and it just doesn't make good business sense... OTOH, I could see them creating a special release of OS X Server that ran on a very specific type of x86 hardware. This might help them make inroads into markets that would soften to the idea of Mac hardware clients later.
craeonics
Reply #15 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 4:10 AM
Reply #15 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 4:10 AM
I'd install it as double boot (triple actually) and fiddle with it.
paxx
Reply #16 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 6:31 AM
Reply #16 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 6:31 AM
OSX on the Intel platform would not even make a dent on Microsoft's sales. Like Frogboy said, alledged OS superiority has very little to do with success. The Mac OS was always far better than Windows 3.1, but the Windows plaform conquered 90% of the market.
Oh and by the way, OS sales weight little in Microsoft's wallet; 75% of their sales come from Microsoft Office (Mac and Windows).
Oh and by the way, OS sales weight little in Microsoft's wallet; 75% of their sales come from Microsoft Office (Mac and Windows).
RobbieRobb
Reply #17 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 11:36 AM
Reply #17 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 11:36 AM
Paxx - the only reason it's so little is because practically no one outside the manufacturers actually buy the OS! 
Lancer (I'm almost regretting this already) - Atari was impressive. Yep. The Jaguar was by far the most advanced game system available. (IMO, it blows the doors off of PSX and N64 as well as giving PS2 a run for it's money!) The company's failure? Marketing! For the Jag they devoted a whopping $1 million dollers towards marketing. This was at a time when Nintendo was throwing tens of millions of dollars into advertising! There was NO way Atari could compete. The cash was depleted.
Lancer (I'm almost regretting this already) - Atari was impressive. Yep. The Jaguar was by far the most advanced game system available. (IMO, it blows the doors off of PSX and N64 as well as giving PS2 a run for it's money!) The company's failure? Marketing! For the Jag they devoted a whopping $1 million dollers towards marketing. This was at a time when Nintendo was throwing tens of millions of dollars into advertising! There was NO way Atari could compete. The cash was depleted.
Frogboy
Reply #18 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 11:52 AM
Reply #18 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 11:52 AM
I agree, OSX is impressive in the same sense that Atari is impressive. It's a great toy. 
MadIce
Reply #19 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 1:00 PM
Reply #19 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 1:00 PM
I think I would install it just for an hour, remove it and then I'll find me an OS/X customization site and babble like LancerKMT 
Griffinme
Reply #20 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 3:01 PM
Reply #20 Tuesday, January 8, 2002 3:01 PM
...I imagine they'd see a dramatic decrease in their hardware sales (that may well be outweighed by the increase in their software sales). It's an intriguing thought anyway.
by Mr AJCrowley
And miss out on all those clever ideas like building the monitor into the computer or not having a floppy drive when they were still commonly used.
They do some really clever things to hardware such as a laptop with a carring handle, but there have been too many times when they did things that were plain stupid.
by Mr AJCrowley
And miss out on all those clever ideas like building the monitor into the computer or not having a floppy drive when they were still commonly used.
They do some really clever things to hardware such as a laptop with a carring handle, but there have been too many times when they did things that were plain stupid.
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Reply #1 Monday, January 7, 2002 4:53 PM