Help with Object Bar
Wednesday, November 21, 2001 by starone | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I don't have WinXP, but I seem to be able to create the XP Bar, however I am having a problem with the Menu. I get the bottom, right, left and top okay, but the menu comes up as the windows menu and can't seem to get the WinXP bottom, right, left and top menu to come up instead. What am I doing wrong? Thanks for your help.
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feline
Reply #82 Thursday, December 6, 2001 5:36 AM
Reply #82 Thursday, December 6, 2001 5:36 AM
the news story is just a few stories down on the front page of wincustomize
follow the link, and there is:
So what's new in it over 3.0?
5) Full SmartButton implementation (the final 3.1 will include XP PowerUser skin that uses this)
this is what is leading me to wonder if the current smartbar implimentation isnt all that it could be.
follow the link, and there is:
So what's new in it over 3.0?
5) Full SmartButton implementation (the final 3.1 will include XP PowerUser skin that uses this)
this is what is leading me to wonder if the current smartbar implimentation isnt all that it could be.
feline
Reply #83 Thursday, December 6, 2001 5:49 AM
Reply #83 Thursday, December 6, 2001 5:49 AM
starone - It all boils down to the original matter. When I use the smartbar button, that menu brings up the programs in Object Edit.
feline *eurika*
just had a cunning thought
basically, what you seem to have done in skinstudio is to add a button to your skin that calls a dll.
the fact that this is on a smartbar adds some extra stuff to the UIS file, which makes this less obvious.
however, by the looks of it all that is happening is that a dll is being called, which is then supposed to bring up the menu of items in the quick launch menu.
for what ever reason, the relivent dll (called quickl.wpb) is still on this machine, even though i am currently running WB 2.21b
so, in a little bit i am going to have a go at replacing the winmenu button on my test athenda skin with this quicklaunch dll
the major benifit of this is that, if it works, it allows us to experiment with the dll in isolation, which gets us away from questions about the smartbars, ect.
i will report bach soon
feline *eurika*
just had a cunning thought
basically, what you seem to have done in skinstudio is to add a button to your skin that calls a dll.
the fact that this is on a smartbar adds some extra stuff to the UIS file, which makes this less obvious.
however, by the looks of it all that is happening is that a dll is being called, which is then supposed to bring up the menu of items in the quick launch menu.
for what ever reason, the relivent dll (called quickl.wpb) is still on this machine, even though i am currently running WB 2.21b
so, in a little bit i am going to have a go at replacing the winmenu button on my test athenda skin with this quicklaunch dll
the major benifit of this is that, if it works, it allows us to experiment with the dll in isolation, which gets us away from questions about the smartbars, ect.
i will report bach soon
feline
Reply #84 Thursday, December 6, 2001 6:02 AM
when i try this, i get a corrupted graphic on the button, and it doesnt seem to do anything
can you try this on WB3, and let me know what happens?
i have simply added this block to the athenda skin:
[Button4]
; button to test quick launch menu plugin
Align=1
XCoord=100
YCoord=5
Action=-3
ButtonImage=athenda\min.bmp
Visibility=1
; DllName=athenda\WBWinMenu.dll
DllName=quickl.wbp
; Alpha=200
; Mask=athenda\mask_rollup2.bmp
; InSound = athenda\click.wav
perhaps the problem is that i am running WB 2.21b. the other thing is that perhaps this dll is being passed some form of paramater or some such by smart.dll.
if you dont get anywhere either, then perhaps it is time for another thread, and see if we can get some help from someone who knows more about these plugin's.
Reply #84 Thursday, December 6, 2001 6:02 AM
when i try this, i get a corrupted graphic on the button, and it doesnt seem to do anything
can you try this on WB3, and let me know what happens?
i have simply added this block to the athenda skin:
[Button4]
; button to test quick launch menu plugin
Align=1
XCoord=100
YCoord=5
Action=-3
ButtonImage=athenda\min.bmp
Visibility=1
; DllName=athenda\WBWinMenu.dll
DllName=quickl.wbp
; Alpha=200
; Mask=athenda\mask_rollup2.bmp
; InSound = athenda\click.wav
perhaps the problem is that i am running WB 2.21b. the other thing is that perhaps this dll is being passed some form of paramater or some such by smart.dll.
if you dont get anywhere either, then perhaps it is time for another thread, and see if we can get some help from someone who knows more about these plugin's.
starone
Reply #85 Thursday, December 6, 2001 9:56 AM
Reply #85 Thursday, December 6, 2001 9:56 AM
Did the above and it went spastic. Had to go to safemode to fix it. Then went back and added the info about the smartbar and the extra button with smart.dll. Brought it up just fine, but the programs still launched in Object Edit.
Put this info in the uis if you want to experiment at that end:
[SmartBar0]
Name=Quick Launch Menu
DLL=quickl.wbp
WIDTH=24
Enabled=0
[SmartBar1]
Name=url Button
DLL=url.wbp
WIDTH=24
Enabled=0
[Button6]
Align=1
XCoord=100
YCoord=5
ALpha=254
Width=24
Height=24
Action=-3
ShiftAction=0
CtrlAction=0
Visibility=0
DllName=smart.dll
SmartBarNumber=0
[Button7]
Align=1
XCoord=120
YCoord=5
ALpha=254
Width=24
Height=24
Action=-3
ShiftAction=0
CtrlAction=0
Visibility=0
DllName=smart.dll
SmartBarNumber=1
[Smartbar.quicklaunch]
Image=Athenda\min.bmp
The only problem at your end in this experiment is that if you don't have WB3, the smartbars may be included in that version only. I can't remember if it shows in 2.2.
As I said, it works the other way, but not the smartbar way. (Sure hate an unsolved problem, but at least I'm learning - what to do and what not to do.)
Put this info in the uis if you want to experiment at that end:
[SmartBar0]
Name=Quick Launch Menu
DLL=quickl.wbp
WIDTH=24
Enabled=0
[SmartBar1]
Name=url Button
DLL=url.wbp
WIDTH=24
Enabled=0
[Button6]
Align=1
XCoord=100
YCoord=5
ALpha=254
Width=24
Height=24
Action=-3
ShiftAction=0
CtrlAction=0
Visibility=0
DllName=smart.dll
SmartBarNumber=0
[Button7]
Align=1
XCoord=120
YCoord=5
ALpha=254
Width=24
Height=24
Action=-3
ShiftAction=0
CtrlAction=0
Visibility=0
DllName=smart.dll
SmartBarNumber=1
[Smartbar.quicklaunch]
Image=Athenda\min.bmp
The only problem at your end in this experiment is that if you don't have WB3, the smartbars may be included in that version only. I can't remember if it shows in 2.2.
As I said, it works the other way, but not the smartbar way. (Sure hate an unsolved problem, but at least I'm learning - what to do and what not to do.)
starone
Reply #86 Thursday, December 6, 2001 10:28 AM
Reply #86 Thursday, December 6, 2001 10:28 AM
I really liked your idea of trying it in another skin (hadn't thought of that, duh!). Well, maybe the result will give you another idea. I've tried everything I can think of.
starone
Reply #87 Thursday, December 6, 2001 11:30 AM
Reply #87 Thursday, December 6, 2001 11:30 AM
Just downloaded Windowblind 3.09a, and no txt info on smartbars.
This has been like looking for a needle in a haystack.
This has been like looking for a needle in a haystack.
feline
Reply #88 Thursday, December 6, 2001 12:35 PM
Reply #88 Thursday, December 6, 2001 12:35 PM
starone - Did the above and it went spastic. Had to go to safemode to fix it. Then went back and added the info about the smartbar and the extra button with smart.dll. Brought it up just fine, but the programs still launched in Object Edit.
feline *EEEK*
i was using my experimental skin as a per-application skin for notepad only, which i would recormend under the circumstances.
i will have a go at sticking in the smartbar info tommorow, and see. however, since i am running WB2 here, it may well wont work
feline *EEEK*
i was using my experimental skin as a per-application skin for notepad only, which i would recormend under the circumstances.
i will have a go at sticking in the smartbar info tommorow, and see. however, since i am running WB2 here, it may well wont work
starone
Reply #89 Thursday, December 6, 2001 3:25 PM
Reply #89 Thursday, December 6, 2001 3:25 PM
Read that the final 3.1 will include an "XPPowerUser Skin" that uses the Smartbar. It may well be that the reason it won't work yet is because they haven't finished implementing it. Hopefully it will come out soon and we will be able to see if that is the "cure all".
feline
Reply #90 Thursday, December 6, 2001 5:22 PM
Reply #90 Thursday, December 6, 2001 5:22 PM
i am not sure, since this smart bar works on my win2k machine fine.
i think i will fire off a thread about plug-in dll's tommorow, after i have tried to make smart bars work in wb 2.21b
on a different front, i have just tried my modifed athenda skin on notepad on my win2k machine, using wb 3.00. NOT a good idea it turns out, since this totaly crashed notepad! i think you (and i) should stick to experimenting with per-application skins!
definetly looking like we are going to need to try and drag some more people into this. after all, we shouldnt keep all the confusion to ourselves, it is against the spirit if christmas
i think i will fire off a thread about plug-in dll's tommorow, after i have tried to make smart bars work in wb 2.21b
on a different front, i have just tried my modifed athenda skin on notepad on my win2k machine, using wb 3.00. NOT a good idea it turns out, since this totaly crashed notepad! i think you (and i) should stick to experimenting with per-application skins!
definetly looking like we are going to need to try and drag some more people into this. after all, we shouldnt keep all the confusion to ourselves, it is against the spirit if christmas
starone
Reply #91 Thursday, December 6, 2001 10:46 PM
Reply #91 Thursday, December 6, 2001 10:46 PM
Your reply really had me laughing. Your right about the spirt of Christmas. Others need to be included in all this fun we are having. I feel rather hoggish over this.
feline
Reply #92 Friday, December 7, 2001 11:38 AM
Reply #92 Friday, December 7, 2001 11:38 AM
starone - The only problem at your end in this experiment is that if you don't have WB3, the smartbars may be included in that version only. I can't remember if it shows in 2.2.
well, i have just tried adding your smartbar stuff to my athenda skin, and NOTHING happened with it. may as well have not been there for all the effect it had.
there is still hope of activity in the other thread though
well, i have just tried adding your smartbar stuff to my athenda skin, and NOTHING happened with it. may as well have not been there for all the effect it had.
there is still hope of activity in the other thread though
feline
Reply #93 Friday, December 7, 2001 3:25 PM
Reply #93 Friday, December 7, 2001 3:25 PM
i have just posted a request for help on the windowblinds newsgroup, asking for helpful people to join us here, since i cannot post to the newsgroups from work.
hopefully that will help
hopefully that will help
starone
Reply #94 Friday, December 7, 2001 3:56 PM
Reply #94 Friday, December 7, 2001 3:56 PM
Thanks, maybe we will get more of a response and some help. Don't seem to be getting too far yet. Maybe I need a bath. Can't be my breath, went to the dentist yesterday.
feline
Reply #95 Monday, December 10, 2001 9:57 AM
Reply #95 Monday, December 10, 2001 9:57 AM
i think i know what is going on
people are probably being intimidated into silence by the raw genius at work here
feline starts giggling histerically again
people are probably being intimidated into silence by the raw genius at work here
feline starts giggling histerically again
starone
Reply #96 Monday, December 10, 2001 10:15 AM
Reply #96 Monday, December 10, 2001 10:15 AM
I know what you mean about genius. Maybe we'll hit the world book for it. Who knows. I keep hoping 3.1 will come out. I think they just haven't perfected that part of it yet.
feline
Reply #97 Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:04 AM
Reply #97 Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:04 AM
i think i am going to have to be brave, and reboot my win2k machine so that win98 loads, and then run some experiments there
of course this would require that i get to go home
feline stairs at the bars on the windows and feels victimised
feline feels that nice cumforting work places shouldnt have bars on the windows
of course this would require that i get to go home
feline stairs at the bars on the windows and feels victimised
feline feels that nice cumforting work places shouldnt have bars on the windows
starone
Reply #98 Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:39 AM
Reply #98 Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:39 AM
Hope you have success. Bars? Is that to keep you from going home so you work around the clock? Has anyone inquired?
feline
Reply #99 Monday, December 17, 2001 6:27 AM
Reply #99 Monday, December 17, 2001 6:27 AM
i think i may be back, but only just
inquiries? i think management seem to be taking the spanish inquisision as the inspiration for their enquities stratergy
anyway, i was playing around with WB on my win98 machine over the weekend.
i had some problems upgrading to WB3, but eventually got WB 3.09 working. however, when i tried your skin i didnt get any smartbar buttons at all???!!!
i think i need to grab some of the info from this thread, and get it to that machine, and do some more experiments.
when you tried this version (versions?) of WB did you actually get any smartbar buttons?
inquiries? i think management seem to be taking the spanish inquisision as the inspiration for their enquities stratergy
anyway, i was playing around with WB on my win98 machine over the weekend.
i had some problems upgrading to WB3, but eventually got WB 3.09 working. however, when i tried your skin i didnt get any smartbar buttons at all???!!!
i think i need to grab some of the info from this thread, and get it to that machine, and do some more experiments.
when you tried this version (versions?) of WB did you actually get any smartbar buttons?
starone
Reply #100 Monday, December 17, 2001 8:42 AM
Reply #100 Monday, December 17, 2001 8:42 AM
Yes, but this time I put in the coding I found. Two strips came up on the side bar on the active frame, and on the inactive frame the buttons show up. All they do is roll and unroll so far since the last upgrade. I really think they just haven't finished their finalization of that part yet. I put in the coding anyway designating the smartbars. I'm just about ready to upload this theme, but if you find a solution, I can always update it. The coding I found and implemented is as follows:
[SmartButton0]
Enabled=1
NAME0=Quick Launch Menu
DLL0=quickl.wbp
Author0=Neil Banfield
WIDTH0=20
[SmartButton1]
Enabled=1
NAME0=URL Button
DLL0=url.wbp
Author0=Neil Banfield
WIDTH0=0
[Button6]
Align=1
XCoord=22
YCoord=59
ALpha=254
Width=24
Height=24
Action=-3
ShiftAction=0
CtrlAction=0
Visibility=0
DllName=smart.dll
SmartButton=0
Image-GoldEagle\Button2.bmp
[Button7]
Align=1
XCoord=22
YCoord=89
ALpha=254
Width=24
Height=24
Action=-3
ShiftAction=0
CtrlAction=0
Visibility=0
DllName=smart.dll
SmartButton=1
Image-GoldEagle\Button2.bmp
Lots of luck on this one.
[SmartButton0]
Enabled=1
NAME0=Quick Launch Menu
DLL0=quickl.wbp
Author0=Neil Banfield
WIDTH0=20
[SmartButton1]
Enabled=1
NAME0=URL Button
DLL0=url.wbp
Author0=Neil Banfield
WIDTH0=0
[Button6]
Align=1
XCoord=22
YCoord=59
ALpha=254
Width=24
Height=24
Action=-3
ShiftAction=0
CtrlAction=0
Visibility=0
DllName=smart.dll
SmartButton=0
Image-GoldEagle\Button2.bmp
[Button7]
Align=1
XCoord=22
YCoord=89
ALpha=254
Width=24
Height=24
Action=-3
ShiftAction=0
CtrlAction=0
Visibility=0
DllName=smart.dll
SmartButton=1
Image-GoldEagle\Button2.bmp
Lots of luck on this one.
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Reply #81 Wednesday, December 5, 2001 2:08 PM
Where did you see the preview article?
I will do a search of it. I'm interested in seeing what it covers. Maybe the solution to this lies within.