America prepares for war...

Friday, September 14, 2001 by Frogboy | Discussion: WinCustomize News

Some people, mostly outside the United States believe that the US response is going to be a single or brief set of air strikes against some designated enemy. That is not the case.

There won't just be a strike. The United States is mobilizing for war as we speak. The government just activated the reserves today. There won't be a single strike, it is going to be a prolonged campaign that will likely take years.

Colin Powell yesterday basically set up the way it's going to work. Countries with terrorist training camps in them will be approached to eliminate the problem themselves. If they do not, the US will 1) Take care of the problem for them and 2) Move to replace the government with one more civilized.

I don't think people outside the US have grasped that the United States is not viewing this as a law enforcement problem, it is viewing this as a war. We're not talking some air strikes, we're talking sending in ground troops to either blockade or invade nation states that harbor terrorists.

And the nations that may have US and international invervention (remember, this isn't the US versus the world, this is the world versus a handful of rogue nations who aid and harbor terrorists) would be conquered and have their governments replaced much as what we done with Japan and Germany.

One foreign policy expert yesterday pointed out that the only way to win for the long term is to change the cultures of this countries. To de-fanatacize them. When the US occupied Japan and Germany, it turned them into peaceful countries right down to the culture.

If they had had the Internet in 1941, I doubt anyone here would guess that years later, Japan would have Japan Disney and Mickey Mouse being their favorite cartoon character. Japan Disney does more business than Disney World in Florida. Cocacola is their favorite soft drink. American pop stars are their favorite musicians.

This is what is being discussed. The only way to win this in the long haul is for us to turn these enemies of the United States into us. Us being Western Europeans/Americans.

And before you think such plans absurd or extreme, I merely point to history where it is exactly how the Allies handled World War II. We turned the Japanese and Germans into us. And the people are happier for it.

And again, before someone points out that one cannot turn these fanatics into us. Read up on Nazism. You can't get much more fanatical than the Hitler youth was.

These countries in the Middle east will have to either abolish terrorism on their own or they will face the international community's determination to forever eliminate not just the terrorists but the culture that breeds terrorism. Don't think it can't be done, it's been done before when it was far more daunting to do so.
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paxx
Reply #1 Friday, September 14, 2001 1:58 PM
This is a smart move: ask the countries to eliminate the problem themselves. That is indeed the best way to deal with the problem.

Chaosmillenium
Reply #2 Friday, September 14, 2001 2:37 PM
What if the US does this and makes some countries mad enough to retaliate, then we would have the possiblity of another World War.

paxx
Reply #3 Friday, September 14, 2001 2:47 PM
Well, I think that if a country refuses to make the effort of eliminating the terrorists they habour gives reason enough to "putch" their current governments. No civilian hurt, only good governments put in place. I don't think this could lead to a World War.
But, knowing that a lot of the arab countries emirs and kings are inter-related, it could indeed bring some trouble.

I'm wondering if the Israel governement will fianlly be asked to get out of Palestine, once and for all. Oh well, one can always dream.

XX
Reply #4 Friday, September 14, 2001 2:53 PM
hopefullt it'll go well. kick the terrorist bastards' asses.

XX
Reply #5 Friday, September 14, 2001 2:53 PM
hopefully it'll go well. kick the terrorist bastards' asses.

Fa65*BFh
Reply #6 Friday, September 14, 2001 3:54 PM
With so many nuclear bombs today, even on Afghanistan, i wonder what will happen... we just saw that their lifes doesnt mean that much for them... US and other countries will think it several times before starting a nuclear war, but what about this fanatics?... i was just wondering...

Rezident
Reply #7 Friday, September 14, 2001 3:57 PM
If it came down to World War III, it would be a slaughter. With America, Japan, Britian, Russia and Germany on one side and backass arabs on the other side they couldn't even put up a good fight. As far as the Palestinians go, they need to learn to deal with the fact that they got their ass's kick by Israel and its time to find a new home.

paxx
Reply #8 Friday, September 14, 2001 4:39 PM
They got their ass kicked, a little like Koweit got their asses kicked a little bit ago, right?
Invading another country is not tolerated in today's World. I'll remind you that UN passed 3 resolutions demanding Israel to withdraw from the West Bank and Gaza.
If we want peace in this world, we'll have to start MAKING peace, weather it's wanted or not. It seems the US are taking things in good hands right now in order to bring peace in the Middle East. One thing at a time, but the Israel/Palestine problem has to be solved too.

Frogboy
Reply #9 Friday, September 14, 2001 5:00 PM
Explain again how Israel got the west bank and gaza. I take it you aren't aware. Hint: Israel didn't invade. Egypt, Jordan, and Syria did. Perhaps you should tlak to them about giving the Palestinians a home land in their country, they've got a lot more room.

Frogboy
Reply #10 Friday, September 14, 2001 5:00 PM
There's a good skin:

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TheSkinsFactory
Reply #11 Friday, September 14, 2001 5:10 PM
The ignorance seems to spill easily. Israel was attacked on all sides, won the war against a larger enemy and obtained the gaza strip and the west bank that way. As far as i'm concerned if you're going to attack a country, get your ass by the people you attacked, lose some land in the conflict you started, then tough shit. If they had stayed at home instead of being idiots and starting a war with Israel, then there wouldnt be half the problems. I'm sick of hearing the Palestinians crying about lands they lost during their aggressive campaign.

TheSkinsFactory
Reply #12 Friday, September 14, 2001 5:15 PM
meant to say get your ass your kicked.

TheSkinsFactory
Reply #13 Friday, September 14, 2001 5:27 PM
A history lesson...

Gaza Strip, region in southwestern Asia, bordered on the south by Egypt, on the west by the Mediterranean Sea, and on the north and east by Israel. The area of the Gaza Strip is 378 sq km (146 sq mi); its shape and size were determined by the armistice agreement signed by Israel and Egypt after the first Arab-Israeli War (1948-1949). From 1967 until 1994 the Gaza Strip was occupied and administered by Israel. Since May 1994 it has been a largely autonomous zone under the leadership of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), with the exception of Jewish settlements in the region that remain under Israeli rule.

Israel has given up territorial gains in the past as they did after The Yom Kippur War of 73-74, where they gave up territorial gains they made back to Syria who once again attacked them without just cause.

People always seem to talk shit about Israel and have no clue what they went through during the birth of their nation. Constantly having to go to war, constantly being attacked on all sides. Yeh i think they have a right to fight back.

craeonics
Reply #14 Friday, September 14, 2001 6:19 PM
Spooky developments. We live in interesting times.

Frogboy
Reply #15 Friday, September 14, 2001 7:14 PM
Here's an article about civilians:

http://denbeste.nu/essays/civilians.shtml

paxx
Reply #16 Friday, September 14, 2001 7:36 PM
Oh I don't need any history lesson about the Israelite occupation of the Palestinian territories. I am extremely familiar with it. It is not though shit, they are illegally occupying a territory as recognized by the United Nations. Are you saying the United Nations are wrong?

Larry Kuperman
Reply #17 Friday, September 14, 2001 7:41 PM
Here is a site about about the Arab-Israeli conflict from a Jewish, humanitarian point of view- http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/
Rabbi Katz point of view is not completely unbiased, but please read his dedication at the bottom.
Please note that Arafat and the PLO were thrown out of Jordan and Lebanon more recently than Eretiz Yisroel.

Artifakt
Reply #18 Friday, September 14, 2001 7:45 PM
We have not turned the Japanese into us, Thank God!. They've assimilated a great deal of our best ideas, but they have also preserved and developed a great deal we could learn more from. We don't have to compel anyone else to drink Coke (caffine does that for us, until they move up to Jolt and Caffinated Mints). If a culture doesn't want to learn to speak English, fine, we'll gladly borrow five hundred or so of their best words and add them to ours. What the civilized world has to compel is simply a set of rules not too different from our own Bill of Rights or the UN universal declaration.

Frogboy
Reply #19 Friday, September 14, 2001 7:52 PM
Well said Artifakt. What I mean by turning them into "us" isn't that they're clones of Americans. But that they have embraced the Western way of living and they are much better off for it.

Japan should be the model for the rest of the world in my opinion. Japan is a good decent nation today. Pacificistic. Industrious. Honest. Honorable. A real contributor to the world. Wealthy. Creative.

The Japan of 1935 is vastly different than the Japan of 1955.

jtfolden
Reply #20 Friday, September 14, 2001 9:45 PM
That certainly seems like a solid plan to me...

Just keep Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson out of it.

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