There is no maybe about it; clearly it is my interpretation as I started my post out with the word "I".

The same as the OP did.

Surely Americans aren't opposed to dissenting views?!

The original post was intended to inflame and was written from a very narrow, very obvious, very American perspective. That is not my opinion, it is a fact. It is just too bad this is deemed to be the appropriate place for it. I didn't come to Wincustomize for that type of content. I honestly don't think many people do. I honestly hope it does not become the norm. 

And as for choosing to not open threads, I won't in future. I didn't know the thread was going to play the nazi and black cards until I was well into it. Perhaps I should have seen it coming but I didn't. Some people are offended by that type of debate and I am one of them. I make no apologies for it.

Say what you like about me, I won't be back to read it.

I think what everyone needs to do is read the posts and replies here as they are.  We all, including myself tend to read into the written words of others what we assume the writer means or intended to mean with thier words. 

Most folks write from the heart usually from personal experiences, without direct intent on hurting anyone else.  Remember that are words will always be here after we leave, so we should all use them wisely.

Ichi, I think you've taken all this a little too personally. 

I honestly don't believe messiah1 meant to inflame when he posted it.  He has a strong belief about his country, he's put his life on the line for the country, and the last I checked he was considering putting his life on the line AGAIN for that country.  I do not agree with his world view of his and my country, but I respect him as a soldier, and I respect him as an accomplished skinner.  He has contributed much to the WinCustomize community and to the United States -- as a member of both those communities, I believe messiah1 has a right to post about his deep feelings, and I would be a callous, selfish community member to not at least TRY to understand where he is coming from.

I, as a citizen of the United States, am not opposed to dissenting views, but you (where ever you are from) apparently can't discuss your dissention without taking it personally.  I'm sorry about that.  I think we would all benefit from a discussion about the dissenting views as long as we can talk about them logically and calmly amongst each other.  Unfortunately, you didn't post much about your dissenting view, (might be a language barrier thing, or just the problems that exist when it comes to interpreting tone in a forum), and you were just critical of the thread, without actually rebutting the original post at all.  Quite frankly, it came off snide and condescending without much rebuttal at all.

The only Real American

yes , that's about as serious I can get about all this post-Obama drama queening

Amen.

I believe the OP is an American trying to talk some sense into.. fellow Americans?

If this kind of debate offends you... leave

They don't make a truck big enough!

Actually I agree. Jesse was/is right on. He's what we need a lot more than the boatload of hypocracy post-Obama

Ventura would be cooler if he knew how to verbalize correctly.. and was better looking.

mm..  ...  good lord man cut those stragglemuffins.

500 Nations would beg to differ....

And unfortunately Messiah...this post like many others calling for people to do something...anything to take back the country will fall by the wayside. The truth is...people just don't care anymore. It's to inconvenient for them. And if anyone has the guts to do something...anything drastic...they are now labeled a terrorist...ain't that a hoot!

I have to disagree to this, it comes down to charisma. He has a great way with words and know how to inspire others, right or wrong.

and even if he has strong views about what should be done, he deserves to be heard if not debated. messiah heart is in the right place and cares about where his country is going. That's something others should at least respect.

You should have kept reading Jafo.  I clarified that the concept of this counrty was nothing when it started.  I didn't mean this land or the 500 Native Nations that we stole the land from.

Because my nick is messiah1, alot of closed minded people just assume that I'm some sort of religeous freak pushing a god agenda.  I'm not.  The backstory to the nick begins when I was adopted at the age of 10 by religeous zealots that pushed god down my throat every chance they could.  By the age of 11 I had the names of the books of the bible memorized.  By 13 I had read the bible cover to cover and had to write papers for my adopted father on my interpretation of the books as well as how they applied to my life.  I was forced to fast for days to cleanse my wicked ways.  etc. etc. ect.

One can only take so much oppression.  By the age of 15, I started to rebel.  I read as many things as I could about "opposing" religions.  I stopped participating in church and it's functions.  I decided that religion did not fit me as a person and I gave it up.  I joined the Marines at age 17, with their grudging permission and got the hell out of there upon graduation. 

Here's where the nick comes in.  In my first unit, there was a Sergeant who reminded me of my adoptive parents.  Always spewing god this and god that.  I have no problem with religion as a concept and do not mind that other's practice it.  What I do mind is when it's shoved down my throat.  I had many debates with said Sergeant and usually they ended with him frustrated and angry.  Now one day, this Sergeant tells us that we all need to come up with call-signs for a mission.  So I naturally pick something that is going to get on his nerves.  When he asks me what mine is, I tell him messiah.  Visibly upset (which was the point) he says "You're not the messiah!"  And I said, "How do you know?"  That was the end of the conversation.  The nick stuck all through my career and has followed me here, with the addition of the 1 since messiah was already taken.

Long I know.

Long? Naaah. Religion is such a private and personal thing, that I feel that's where it belongs (with the individual)...with moderation...anything overdone isn't very tasty, and oppression is precisely what you suffered, from the sound of it. I'm almost tempted to say, "G-d save us from religion." LOL.

Glad I didn't do that to my kids. It shouldn't be foisted on folks, in civilian nor military life although I've heard that there's a lot of that proselytizing crap going on in the military.

Wouldn't the world be a better place if folks just minded their own business?

There were multiple times that I was forced to go to prayer breakfasts in church while in the Marines.  Scenario: A high ranking officer would be holding a breakfast.  Breakfast would be in a church, I imagine because of the size of the hall.  Notice would go out to all the units that they had to mandatorily supply so many bodies.  Without consideration of the Marines religeous preferance, they would be selected to attend.  It was all about numbers.  It won't be a service, there won't be any mention of god...blah, blah, blah.  The breakfast was opened with prayer, there was a sermon.

To a point it might be.  But for the folks that "mind their own business" when they see something being done that is wrong?  Shame on them.

It was long, but it had to be and it was certainly worth it.  Thanks for sharing. Now I respect you even more! 

Can I go to bed now

Personally, if I were to judge you by your nick, I'd really think the exact opposite. No truly christian person (freak or not) would use the nick messiah. It can easily be interpreted as sacreligious. Not even a satanist would use it, because really, they wouldn't want anything to do with what it stands for.

I don't judge people by their nicks though, unless it's obviously offensive. Well, tbh, messiah probably is quite obviously offensive to strictly religious people, but I can't actually feel it myself... I guess I'm not morally perfect, darn...