what is a hanging chad?

I think the man has a terrible uphill battle.  Two wars and a nearly collapsed economy.  Oh boy.  I just hope that he truly is someone who will think about and help the "lower middle class" or "upper lower class". which ever one I fall into making my fixed income and my wife's small salary of under 50K combined.  Make the welfare state start working or do away with it altogether.  Four or five generations is enough.  Stay away from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton (both racists) if he doesn't want to be perceived as a black only President.  I don't care what color the man is.  He could be purple for all I care, as long as he works for more than the top 5% of this country the way it's been for at least 8 years. IMHO

The pieces of paper that punch out in a ballot...last election it was a big issue

Does that still exist?  I thought Clinton got rid of it...something like an able-bodied recipient can't be on welfare for more than three years in a row, seven years cummulative, and a cap on grants per child after the third one?  I'm pretty sure if anyone is on welfare for more than three years and not working they are probably labeled by the government as "disabled."

OH, yes, welfare is still going strong. Those who have grown up on it, know how to abuse it. What sucks is that they have better cloths, cars and food than I do, and I work at a real job for a living!

I suppose this can be considered as 'move on'  -  https://forums.wincustomize.com/329086

Are you sure they're not selling drugs (or other unreportable illegal activities) to buy the clothes and cars?   I was on AFDC when I was pregnant with my first child, and there was no way I could afford a car, good clothes or uppity food.  It was enough to pay the rent in a two-bedroom apartment in an average neighborhood, and keep gas in the beater car I drove...mostly it paid for my high-risk pregnancy and complicated birth, which would have left me dead if it wasn't available, because I would have just brushed off the pain I was feeling from throwing blood clots to my lungs, hoping it would pass.

The logic is simple.  I don't agree with his stances on taxes, gun control, and a whole list of other things, therefore, he doesn't have my support.  Now I'm not running around screaming that I'm moving to another country, but I'm not giving up my core beliefs just to appease other people. 

You just like me because I'm a "rebel". 

And who was the deranged party? I'd say that what he did to the Constitution, illegal holding w/o charging, illegal wire tapping w/o warrants, etc. when he could have obtained them legally points to  derangement of the megalomaniac variety.

Most likely, they are, or are living with parents/custodians/boyfriends that are. I honestly think that when getting gov. sub. you should be drug tested, and inspected randomly. If you own things that are way out of proportion to what you are receiving, then you had better account for it, or get dropped. Maybe just dropped period? Cause if someone is buying you gifts then they can support you.

Ooooooo...I really like that idea.

Chad was the first liberal in Florida to call for a recount after the 2000 election.......

There are exceptions to everything.  You used the system as it was meant to be used not as a permenant reason not to support yourself.

That's pretty much why my two youngest adult children and my spouse who are all students right now aren't getting government handouts...because they're mine, they live with me, and I have a job.  OH, that reminds me!  The kids have a friend who goes to college with them who is  getting everything paid for by the government because her deceased father's veteran benefits--and she also gets food stamps!  She encouraged my kids to check out what they could get (would be nice to have someone help out with all this responsibility I'm presently carrying), but they were told by the welfare office if they were full-time college students, they had to be working at least 30 hours a week on top of going to school full time to qualify for any benefits (my youngest has a part-time job but it's only 20 hours a week).

I guess we're just not savvy enough to know how to play the system.

And so the conservatives hung him.

What the hell is wrong with you people!! You are acting like this guy actually IS a messiah. He's a mortal man. He's a politician, and like all politicians.. he is a liar. If you think for one minute that this man actually wrote all of his speeches himself and that what he has been saying are his own words then I really feel sorry for you. He spent an enormous amount of (largely unaccounted for) money hiring the best script writers, producers etc that could present this false image in a believable manner. This money also allowed him to manipulate the media in ways that have never been done before and bury most things that warranted serious investigation. If those same allegations had been made against any other candidate you can bet the media's behavior would have been much different.

This man is not at all who he represents himself to be. Only time is going to tell the tale though, but in the meantime stop kissing his ass. He has done NOTHING do deserve glorification. NOTHING at any time in his career. The only thing hes accomplished is run one of the most successfull off broadway productions in history.

Gees I clicked on this thread and my smoke alarm went off.  At this rate I'll be buying more batteries for it every 2 weeks. sheesh.

ROFL @ BDBF  

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Phoon, yes, he's a cipher.

Put yer $ in a mattress or bury it, get a bad dog & all the guns you can b4 there ain't any

Every minority in the country would disagree with you as they are experiencing a spiritual lift today that noone ever thought they would experience. Obama is a statesman and a uniter. You can give him a chance or you can just dismiss him.  It's your choice but your missing something special right now.

Maybe we should talk about something less polarizing and divisive...

How about religion?

Perhaps in time he will prove to be so.  One can hope but it is a bit early to make that claim. Maybe just before the next presidential election we can review what he did for the Country, the World and then decide.