Comment-bashing
Bad karma's around...
Monday, August 18, 2008 by Snowman | Discussion: Community
We have unfortunately seen an increase in negativity in skin-comments lately.
This must stop!!
If you have any issues with a skin you've downloaded, please make the artist aware of it either as comment or an email/PM in a polite way.
If you have any issues with a/any artist, please keep it to yourself or at least in private.
When entering this site, please hang any negative karma outside the door. It's not welcome here!
Remember, negativity breeds negativity. Give a negativ comment, then expect a negative response.
If you have any issues with a/any artist, and decides that you wanna bash him/her by badmouthing him/her in comments on a skin the artist has uploaded - forget it!
Doing so will get your posting priveleges removed, for a period of time. Keep it up and you will eventually be banned/exiled from the site - regardless of your status with Stardock/WC (Customer/subscriber).
Having baught a Stardock product or payed for extended access to WinCustomize - or even having been so fortunate to have been promoted to highest userlevel (Master) - doesn't grand you the right to be content/style/quality police!!
The only ones who police what's going public or not are the admins/moderators - no one else!
So in short, keep your comments polite, tactful and constructive if critisism, even if you dislike the skin/artist.
If you absolutely HAVE to bash a skin/artist please do it in private.
(Yeah I know, that doesn't make you look cool to your friends/followers/pets/relatives, but it keeps the site clean and happy.)
If you cannot/will not live by this then, please live by the old saying "If you have nothing good to say - say nothing".
Please keep WinCustomize a happy site
This must stop!!
If you have any issues with a skin you've downloaded, please make the artist aware of it either as comment or an email/PM in a polite way.
If you have any issues with a/any artist, please keep it to yourself or at least in private.
When entering this site, please hang any negative karma outside the door. It's not welcome here!
Remember, negativity breeds negativity. Give a negativ comment, then expect a negative response.
If you have any issues with a/any artist, and decides that you wanna bash him/her by badmouthing him/her in comments on a skin the artist has uploaded - forget it!
Doing so will get your posting priveleges removed, for a period of time. Keep it up and you will eventually be banned/exiled from the site - regardless of your status with Stardock/WC (Customer/subscriber).
Having baught a Stardock product or payed for extended access to WinCustomize - or even having been so fortunate to have been promoted to highest userlevel (Master) - doesn't grand you the right to be content/style/quality police!!
The only ones who police what's going public or not are the admins/moderators - no one else!
So in short, keep your comments polite, tactful and constructive if critisism, even if you dislike the skin/artist.
If you absolutely HAVE to bash a skin/artist please do it in private.
(Yeah I know, that doesn't make you look cool to your friends/followers/pets/relatives, but it keeps the site clean and happy.)
If you cannot/will not live by this then, please live by the old saying "If you have nothing good to say - say nothing".
Please keep WinCustomize a happy site
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vStyler
Reply #22 Monday, August 18, 2008 5:49 PM
Reply #22 Monday, August 18, 2008 5:49 PM
Dr J, I typically do, when called a son of a bitch, I take a different tact... blame it on being a scotsman if that makes it easier... and yes I understand your post and thanks....noted.
ShelbyGT_The_Car
Reply #23 Monday, August 18, 2008 5:56 PM
John hey we know where you are coming from. From my past here and at DA - I've seen a lot of what whats with this. Believe me I see your point. But it takes two to tango and it is never a good thing. Now don't get me wrong - I'm listening and watching here. I've done it for years and learned a lot. Ya I make them mistakes too. But we are all friends here I hope. We all look out for each other and try our best to do for others of this community. No one wants to make you seem as if you are the cause of things. We all just want one thing... what others see when they come here is very important. I agree with your point about this skinner. But until there is something done properly. We can only watch and do what is right.
1. If it is rip - we report it to the proper people to take care of it. We do not have that power to do this the right way except by reporting it.
2. If I do not like something I see here for whatever reason. I usually just sit back and wait to see what happens before I get involved. Saying I rarely comment on things I do not like. If I do I'll make the point as to what it is I do not like and why. Refraining from my personal opinions... keeping it clean and as nice as possible.
3. If I see something that is wrong with a skin or art work. I usually contact the artist directly. The direct approach is the best. Why? So it gives the option to fix or even understand better what it is which he/she needs to change or workout. Art work is very personal and is best when the person doing it has total control. Saying I'd like to fix something and can you look at this my way. Which could be wrong and is best that what I have in mind be only known by the artist and me. As such making it personal and that being polite too.
We are all here to work together and should take a calm look at things for the better. Not letting some so called event take things to the wrong place. It is never worth it... you always remember... it is something to live with and live by.
Plus these rules are needed. I totally agree with what has been setup here for the flaming issue at hand. Flaming never gets anyone anything. Just makes things look bad here at this community.
So say what you will about what I've tried my best to extend here as my ideas and opinions for this thread. But we can work together for a better outcome in this matter and whatever may come here in the future.
Reply #23 Monday, August 18, 2008 5:56 PM
Lets not mix words guys, this was about one thing.. about IR and Myself (title aside) calling another skinner out for what he does..I myself would not have gotten involved had the term sons of bitches not been thrown out there by that skinner. So chastize us if you must, tell us.. were not 'nice' and let one of the worst offenders on this site continue to get away with his blatent actions while good folks making their own work and really trying get knocked down to the bottom of the page.
John hey we know where you are coming from. From my past here and at DA - I've seen a lot of what whats with this. Believe me I see your point. But it takes two to tango and it is never a good thing. Now don't get me wrong - I'm listening and watching here. I've done it for years and learned a lot. Ya I make them mistakes too. But we are all friends here I hope. We all look out for each other and try our best to do for others of this community. No one wants to make you seem as if you are the cause of things. We all just want one thing... what others see when they come here is very important. I agree with your point about this skinner. But until there is something done properly. We can only watch and do what is right.
1. If it is rip - we report it to the proper people to take care of it. We do not have that power to do this the right way except by reporting it.
2. If I do not like something I see here for whatever reason. I usually just sit back and wait to see what happens before I get involved. Saying I rarely comment on things I do not like. If I do I'll make the point as to what it is I do not like and why. Refraining from my personal opinions... keeping it clean and as nice as possible.
3. If I see something that is wrong with a skin or art work. I usually contact the artist directly. The direct approach is the best. Why? So it gives the option to fix or even understand better what it is which he/she needs to change or workout. Art work is very personal and is best when the person doing it has total control. Saying I'd like to fix something and can you look at this my way. Which could be wrong and is best that what I have in mind be only known by the artist and me. As such making it personal and that being polite too.
We are all here to work together and should take a calm look at things for the better. Not letting some so called event take things to the wrong place. It is never worth it... you always remember... it is something to live with and live by.
Plus these rules are needed. I totally agree with what has been setup here for the flaming issue at hand. Flaming never gets anyone anything. Just makes things look bad here at this community.
So say what you will about what I've tried my best to extend here as my ideas and opinions for this thread. But we can work together for a better outcome in this matter and whatever may come here in the future.
ZubaZ
Reply #24 Monday, August 18, 2008 5:59 PM
Reply #24 Monday, August 18, 2008 5:59 PM
Arguing with an idiot may confuse who is who.
Puttong on my Jafo hat . . should that be "who is whom"?
vStyler
Reply #25 Monday, August 18, 2008 6:01 PM
Take it off, it doesn't fit and you look silly in it.
I'm not a pacifist, I believe in standing up for 1. Myself, 2. people I care about and 3. What I believe to be be right and just.
Seems as if I'm constantly having to tell myself this is the right thing to do.. I never used to doubt it.
Reply #25 Monday, August 18, 2008 6:01 PM
Puttong on my Jafo hat
Take it off, it doesn't fit and you look silly in it.
Not letting some so called event take things to the wrong place. It is never worth it.
I'm not a pacifist, I believe in standing up for 1. Myself, 2. people I care about and 3. What I believe to be be right and just.
Seems as if I'm constantly having to tell myself this is the right thing to do.. I never used to doubt it.
ShelbyGT_The_Car
Reply #26 Monday, August 18, 2008 6:08 PM
Good then try to do it the right way! There are proper ways of doing things.
Think about it... would you allow such at your own website John?
Reply #26 Monday, August 18, 2008 6:08 PM
I'm not a pacifist, I believe in standing up for 1. Myself, 2. people I care about and 3. What I believe to be be right and just.
Good then try to do it the right way! There are proper ways of doing things.
Think about it... would you allow such at your own website John?
Finhbar
Reply #27 Monday, August 18, 2008 6:20 PM
Reply #27 Monday, August 18, 2008 6:20 PM
Let me start by saying that I subscribed to WC in the first place because it was a FRIENDLY, HELPFUL site that kinda fitted what I needed and having made my own posts in the past about the way some comments/topics are presented here I'd like to say that I think Snowman was right in making this post. It SHOULD be the Mods/Admins that make any decisions as to what is or is not posted to the libraries and that any disagreements should be dealt with in private between the parties concerned, and if that doesn't resolve the issue then the Mod/Admin team should get involved privately with the parties concerned. In-fighting only results in discord and dissention.
I mean no offence to anyone who has posted to this topic and the above are my personal views.
I mean no offence to anyone who has posted to this topic and the above are my personal views.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #28 Monday, August 18, 2008 6:45 PM
Reply #28 Monday, August 18, 2008 6:45 PM
Most people dont come here to deal with member squabbles, they want to come and escape the troubles of day to day grind and have a bit of fun.
Any Legitimate issues one would have with another here needs to be handled privately and or handed over to a mod by PM if the issues contend to site infractions. Let the Mod's do our job.
Taking things in to ones own hands rarely ever goes well and typically damages not only those involved in the fighting, but the community as a whole.
If you must fight, keep the fighting in private, don't drag it out in the open where it disrupts everyone else's enjoyment of the site.
Any Legitimate issues one would have with another here needs to be handled privately and or handed over to a mod by PM if the issues contend to site infractions. Let the Mod's do our job.
Taking things in to ones own hands rarely ever goes well and typically damages not only those involved in the fighting, but the community as a whole.
If you must fight, keep the fighting in private, don't drag it out in the open where it disrupts everyone else's enjoyment of the site.
PuterDudeJim
Reply #29 Monday, August 18, 2008 6:52 PM
Amen brother, good point!
Reply #29 Monday, August 18, 2008 6:52 PM
Calling people's work or people crap is unacceptable.
Pointing out skin or character flaws, issues, and concerns in a polite, well-thought out manner is. Posting your opinion in the same manner is also acceptable
I believe that Snowy was focusing not on the negative content but on the negative delivery. There is a difference.
Pointing out skin or character flaws, issues, and concerns in a polite, well-thought out manner is. Posting your opinion in the same manner is also acceptable
I believe that Snowy was focusing not on the negative content but on the negative delivery. There is a difference.
Amen brother, good point!
vStyler
Reply #30 Monday, August 18, 2008 6:52 PM
I tried that too.. was 'monitored' and also came back with a slap in the face. PM doesnt mean Private.. I assure u.
Reply #30 Monday, August 18, 2008 6:52 PM
If you must fight, keep the fighting in private
I tried that too.. was 'monitored' and also came back with a slap in the face. PM doesnt mean Private.. I assure u.
WOM
Reply #31 Monday, August 18, 2008 7:08 PM
Reply #31 Monday, August 18, 2008 7:08 PM
When a mod mods a blind, hes checking that it works, not if he likes it, or the buttons bleed out a pixel or two. Or the start menu is so transparent that you can't read it because you see whats behind it as well. Its not our job to critique the blind while modding it. My God, if I did that, someone might drive over to my house and try to knock the crap out of me(and get seriously hurt). Also, not many would pass as I'am rather choosey. But we put those personel feelings aside when modding.
PuterDudeJim
Reply #32 Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM
Off subject, I know, but I wish this were the case with wallpapers...lol.
Reply #32 Monday, August 18, 2008 7:18 PM
When a mod mods a blind, hes checking that it works, not if he likes it,
Off subject, I know, but I wish this were the case with wallpapers...lol.
WebGizmos
Reply #33 Monday, August 18, 2008 7:21 PM
Reply #33 Monday, August 18, 2008 7:21 PM
Edited:
Never mind....wrong post....I had a brain fart!
Never mind....wrong post....I had a brain fart!
PoSmedley
Reply #34 Monday, August 18, 2008 7:28 PM
I had a comment, but then I noticed 'P-u-t-t-o-n-g' and I lost my train of thought.
All I can hear is the conversation between Bubble Boy and Peppy in my head...and it won't stop.
Reply #34 Monday, August 18, 2008 7:28 PM
Puttong on my Jafo hat
I had a comment, but then I noticed 'P-u-t-t-o-n-g' and I lost my train of thought.
All I can hear is the conversation between Bubble Boy and Peppy in my head...and it won't stop.
Jafo
Reply #35 Monday, August 18, 2008 7:29 PM
Reply #35 Monday, August 18, 2008 7:29 PM
By and large, those charged with the 'policing of the site' [Admins/Mods] are reasonable, polite, fair and level-headed in their 'policing'.
There are others apparently WANTING to be so charged who patently are NOT.
Mods are often asked 'how did you get promoted to that level?' or 'what was it that made them choose you?'.
The answer is 'common sense and a clear willingness to support the site and its community', not 'a desire to stick up for myself and to hell with anyone who is different or disagrees with my view of the world'.
Handling a community of 3.2 plus million members and thousands of active contributors [gallery and forum] is no easy task...and it is made patently worse by people who THINK what they do is right.
When I said [once before...similar motivation] that exactly NO-ONE is exempt from censure I meant NO-ONE. Everybody is answerable to the site and its community, none more-so than myself and Island Dog, but equally Snowman, WOM, Zubaz, etc, and then comes the other 'leaders' - the Masters, Journeymen, etc. [clever use of bold type to make a point].
By the time you get 'down' to the novice Citizen there's a wee bit of room for some slack to be cut, but at 'the other end' there IS NONE.
This isn't a shift in 'focus' or ideals....it's a reaffirming of that which has seen Wincustomize transition to become a friendly place to be.
THAT is the ideal...the goal.
If you think this is about telling you how to comment or what to say you are wrong. It is about telling you how to behave.
If telling you how to behave towards your fellow site members is totalitarian/fascist/whatever then call me Adolf....
eieio
Reply #36 Monday, August 18, 2008 8:31 PM
Reply #36 Monday, August 18, 2008 8:31 PM
I think I said this in a similar thread .. might have even been about the same ... altercation ... or a variation thereof.
Regarding the issue John is referring to ... if the site admins/mods don't 'deal' with it, they are 'choosing' to let the members handle it in whatever way they feel is appropriate.
... Especially in light of a repeat situation.
Regarding the issue John is referring to ... if the site admins/mods don't 'deal' with it, they are 'choosing' to let the members handle it in whatever way they feel is appropriate.
... Especially in light of a repeat situation.
vStyler
Reply #37 Monday, August 18, 2008 8:46 PM
Reply #37 Monday, August 18, 2008 8:46 PM
Thanks pic, that was a brilliant summary of what a lot of people think...though most won't step up and say it.. it really is unfortunate that the establishment choose "happy" over wrong or right thru the eyes of some of their most significant contibutors and longstanding members.. Tells me all I need to know about who and what is appreciated in their eyes.
I suppose being a 'leader' equates to having ones tongue tied by those who have access to the buttons that matter.
It's my belief that those who frown upon speaking up for what we think is right should pay more consideration to what it obviously wrong.
But screw it, I'm out for a while, y'all can have this bs, I don't need it.
I suppose being a 'leader' equates to having ones tongue tied by those who have access to the buttons that matter.
It's my belief that those who frown upon speaking up for what we think is right should pay more consideration to what it obviously wrong.
But screw it, I'm out for a while, y'all can have this bs, I don't need it.
ZubaZ
Reply #38 Monday, August 18, 2008 9:01 PM
I hope in the future that the galleries have a "Report a rip" function so that a more private solution will be readily available. Until then . . if you suspect something is wrong . . PM a moderator. Then consider your work done. If you don't like how it's handled . . no matter what rank you are or your experience skinning . . let it go or go somewhere else. Bashing another artist is the wrong way to handle it. Every time.
Reply #38 Monday, August 18, 2008 9:01 PM
Regarding the issue John is referring to ... if the site admins/mods don't 'deal' with it, they are 'choosing' to let the members handle it in whatever way they feel is appropriate.
You can trust that the mods take all claims to ripping (let's not beat around the bush here) seriously. But (and here's the big but) they will always try to moderate in favor of the artist. no matter who the artist is. If there is proof that something is amiss it will be dealt with. But with some visual styles the source is too muddled to be sure . . and we mods don't have the time to go through each skin in SKS.I hope in the future that the galleries have a "Report a rip" function so that a more private solution will be readily available. Until then . . if you suspect something is wrong . . PM a moderator. Then consider your work done. If you don't like how it's handled . . no matter what rank you are or your experience skinning . . let it go or go somewhere else. Bashing another artist is the wrong way to handle it. Every time.
DrJBHL
Reply #39 Monday, August 18, 2008 9:06 PM
I knew I loved ya furra reason laddy: och we're 2 Scotsmen in this benighted wilderness!
Reply #39 Monday, August 18, 2008 9:06 PM
Dr J, I typically do, when called a son of a bitch, I take a different tact... blame it on being a scotsman if that makes it easier... and yes I understand your post and thanks....noted.
I knew I loved ya furra reason laddy: och we're 2 Scotsmen in this benighted wilderness!
ShelbyGT_The_Car
Reply #40 Monday, August 18, 2008 9:10 PM
Actually the way to handle that would be to discuss it with a mod/admin properly.
Not by taking it into our hands to do much of nothing but more harm than good. The site is governed by the mods with their authority. A member only has the power to express his view and such. Doing so openly is not always a good way to get things accomplished in a right manner.
With a repeat situation it would be so much easier to just bring it to light with those in authority. I agree you have your own opinion of the way the mods/admins do things. But that does not change anything for the better. For the better would be to consult with such people and resolve the problem. We all have to stand by the people that are in control of this website. So that we as members can adjust the ideas and/or problems we have with whatever the case may be.
Then it is a working situation. Otherwise it is not a proper working situation.
I'm not going off into this opinion base for who does what and why; if they do and don't. We have to accept what is only under our control and try to work with the people that are in control. This means support and being able to consult with them easily. Their job is no way easy and yes they can a mistake too. But so could I and that makes all about the same.
Give it over to these people for a best result and if not; at least we did try and made a right effort. Doing it ourselves and not really caring how it comes out - except it went our way; is not right at all!
It is like making a point in a sale. You put it out there and if they like it; they buy it.
Reply #40 Monday, August 18, 2008 9:10 PM
Regarding the issue John is referring to ... if the site admins/mods don't 'deal' with it, they are 'choosing' to let the members handle it in whatever way they feel is appropriate.
Actually the way to handle that would be to discuss it with a mod/admin properly.
Not by taking it into our hands to do much of nothing but more harm than good. The site is governed by the mods with their authority. A member only has the power to express his view and such. Doing so openly is not always a good way to get things accomplished in a right manner.
With a repeat situation it would be so much easier to just bring it to light with those in authority. I agree you have your own opinion of the way the mods/admins do things. But that does not change anything for the better. For the better would be to consult with such people and resolve the problem. We all have to stand by the people that are in control of this website. So that we as members can adjust the ideas and/or problems we have with whatever the case may be.
Then it is a working situation. Otherwise it is not a proper working situation.
I'm not going off into this opinion base for who does what and why; if they do and don't. We have to accept what is only under our control and try to work with the people that are in control. This means support and being able to consult with them easily. Their job is no way easy and yes they can a mistake too. But so could I and that makes all about the same.
Give it over to these people for a best result and if not; at least we did try and made a right effort. Doing it ourselves and not really caring how it comes out - except it went our way; is not right at all!
It is like making a point in a sale. You put it out there and if they like it; they buy it.
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Reply #21 Monday, August 18, 2008 5:43 PM
I vote yes to that as well. If you are talking about this type of activity, the appropriate action should take place at the Moderator/Submission Review level. If there's a problem there, then bring it POLITELY (honey vs. vinegar...ice vs. flame....whisper vs. shout) to the upper management and if it continues, bring it to a Forum (politely). You should have the folks that pull that stuff tossed out of WC. Just do it the right way.
vStyler, I love and use your artistic efforts with pride on my computer. Let me give you all the credit you richly deserve....please (read EVERYONE here) try to present your views in a way that mirrors your artistic gift. When you curse or flame (even though fully justified) I am ten times more disappointed and distanced from your view JUST BECAUSE I respect your skills so much.
Does this make sense? I am saying this as your fan!