Comment-bashing
Bad karma's around...
Monday, August 18, 2008 by Snowman | Discussion: Community
This must stop!!
If you have any issues with a skin you've downloaded, please make the artist aware of it either as comment or an email/PM in a polite way.
If you have any issues with a/any artist, please keep it to yourself or at least in private.
When entering this site, please hang any negative karma outside the door. It's not welcome here!
Remember, negativity breeds negativity. Give a negativ comment, then expect a negative response.
If you have any issues with a/any artist, and decides that you wanna bash him/her by badmouthing him/her in comments on a skin the artist has uploaded - forget it!
Doing so will get your posting priveleges removed, for a period of time. Keep it up and you will eventually be banned/exiled from the site - regardless of your status with Stardock/WC (Customer/subscriber).
Having baught a Stardock product or payed for extended access to WinCustomize - or even having been so fortunate to have been promoted to highest userlevel (Master) - doesn't grand you the right to be content/style/quality police!!
The only ones who police what's going public or not are the admins/moderators - no one else!
So in short, keep your comments polite, tactful and constructive if critisism, even if you dislike the skin/artist.
If you absolutely HAVE to bash a skin/artist please do it in private.
(Yeah I know, that doesn't make you look cool to your friends/followers/pets/relatives, but it keeps the site clean and happy.)
If you cannot/will not live by this then, please live by the old saying "If you have nothing good to say - say nothing".
Please keep WinCustomize a happy site
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Reply #42 Monday, August 18, 2008 9:27 PM
Over at Deviantart.com I'm 'just a senior member', not an admin....but I'm frequently PM'd here about alleged rips available there [Devart] that may need dealing.....latest was/is a link to the Pirate Suite [pirated, no less] available via Devart.
The extent of my commentary on the 'alleged' rip [warez] is to note in its comments 'Policy Violation reported'...and to fill in a 'policy violation report'.
That's it. End of story.
No flaming...no accusing...no grand-standing...no ego.
I'm contacted because I have the 'ear' of Stee03 on Devart...he's the skin mod there...so things likely get handled more promptly without too much second-guessing. [if I let Stephen know an upload/link there accesses a warez copy of a premium skin he can take it as a given and deal]
Everyone here has access to our mods here...PM is good, and many use it.
ALL should.
Reply #43 Monday, August 18, 2008 9:30 PM
Oh and whats the policy about being called a son of a bitch by another member in public and advocacy of warez of ones work?
Reply #44 Monday, August 18, 2008 9:37 PM
Fair enough. I don't believe it serves anyone for a skinner to be falsely accused.
However I think there are other issues at hand such as integrity and being true to the art of skinning (yeah, I hear some of you .. for Christ sake, pic .. it's just a skin!). Well for some people it's a job, and if not that, still taken seriously.
And perhaps that aspect is best not governed by site admins but by the community itself. What is acceptable to your peers and what is not as far as the craft goes. Shouldn't there be a certain amount of self-governance in the community for those areas that are not so rigidly defined as ripping, permissions, and the like?
@ John ,thanks ... never had a problem speaking my mind.
Reply #45 Monday, August 18, 2008 9:47 PM
Oh and whats the policy about being called a son of a bitch by another member in public and advocacy of warez of ones work?
None the matter - it must be dealt with by the mod/admin.
I agree it was upsetting - but that does not make for throwing another punch.
All those questions are for the mods/admins.
Like I said " It is like a sale - if they like - they buy it!" Prove your point to a mod/admin privately so a good out come of the situation can be made.
GT
Reply #46 Monday, August 18, 2008 9:50 PM
No offense.
Reply #47 Monday, August 18, 2008 9:52 PM
vStyler....IF and only 'if' these questions are GENERAL they can be replied-to.
If they are a propagation of a pre-existing 'issue' then they are more of the same...continuing in public what is supposed to be dealt with in private.
Re 'another skins images allowed'...the answer is a qualified 'no'. [there are actually situations where it can be allowed or at least not disallowed].
Re 'updates and reuploads' ...as frequently as you wish....however if it is TOO frequent and/or the 'updates' are too minor/insignificant then the 'date reset' button will be unchecked by the moderator, resulting in the 'update' being placed back where it was in the date/time history prior to the update.
Re the being called names and advocacy of warez...[and public accusation of ripping] the rules apply to all. No rank gets a free ride.
The real issue with public argument is that BOTH sides will feel the right/need to defend and only exacerbate the situation.
Reply #48 Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:40 AM
Reply #49 Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:23 AM
Reply #50 Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:30 AM
No...white-washing one's comments....to only leave the cutesy, positive is really not a viable/acceptable option.
There's absolutely no harm in anyone stating on a skin they do not like "I do not like this".
OK, if it also included '...because x is wrong and y is too green' it'd be a help, but opinion is opinion.
What's NOT acceptable is 'take this effing shit and stick it up your arse' [and yes, such is the sort of 'comment' that turns up from time to time]. THAT is not an 'opinion', that is simply the 'attack' of the socially inept and immature....that results in equally poor responses from many who should know better....
Reply #51 Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:31 PM
I felt simultaneously insulted and shamed by the mods,but in the end just felt a dull disappointment.
Thats when it hit me...why should I care anymore?
So...no more arguing with retards,no more explaining myself,no more commenting(unless your a close friend or your work is exceptional),...just stay out of the forums and galleries.I'll go sit quietly in my corner and push some pixels.
Just one last question for the mods...where were the red flags when you saw that 3(or more)previously respectable skinners had suddenly gone mad and were so badly 'misbehaving'?You were quick to jump on the misbehavior but seemingly ignored the causes.All I got was "we see all,we know all".pffft
To those who understood what was happening and supported us...thank you.To the rest,so long,go with GOD and may your God go with you.
Reply #52 Tuesday, August 19, 2008 9:59 PM
Since I have nothing positive to offer, I'll just skip that part and join you in the corner.
ummm not... I always can find something to say...
It sounds to me more like policing of peoples intelligence and lack of articulation. People are themselves and some are not as wise and articulate as some of you seem to think you are.
Ban me, remove my Master status,...I just don't care. After Andrew getting his panties out of order the other day I feel no passion to supporting the site anymore. Locking threads after calling people out is cowardly. Frogboy deleted a thread last week after making himself look like an ass, instaed of apologizing. If this is what WC has come to, I wish you all the best of everything. No hard feelings. It's time for me to move on where people can be themselves and not what you all want them to be.
sheep/ fanboys, that's all you really want here.
Reply #53 Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:23 PM
At the risk of being overly simplistic.....all this is over a fucking comment?????
Reply #54 Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:01 PM
Reply #55 Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:13 PM
Yea, I missed this as well. I wish I knew the facts. What I do know is that three people I really respect(NT, Vstyler and IR) are up in arms and I seriously doubt it's for naught.
Reply #56 Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:38 PM
Reply #57 Tuesday, August 19, 2008 11:59 PM
There's absolutely no harm in anyone stating on a skin they do not like "I do not like this".
OK, if it also included '...because x is wrong and y is too green' it'd be a help, but opinion is opinion.
Wasn't suggesting white-washing comments to leave just cutesy positive ones....just the outright foul language ones with no constructive comment or even an attempt at one. Constructive criticism is one thing...that's not a problem...but crossing the line to foul mouthed ignorance is another.
Reply #58 Wednesday, August 20, 2008 4:17 AM
Reply #59 Wednesday, August 20, 2008 4:20 AM
The sad thing is Tycus....there will always be ignorant people that do this. This more than likely won't be the last thread on this subject.
Reply #60 Wednesday, August 20, 2008 4:43 AM
IR, I'd really rather you didn't do that, I like your support forum posts. Right now I can think of a recent one that was, well, pretty darned spectacular.
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Reply #41 Monday, August 18, 2008 9:15 PM
Yup. Right on, Zu.
v....that's just paranoid.
See? Like I been sayin for a while. Zubaz has taken over the site. We've been Ass-imilated!