female skinners
Sunday, September 23, 2007 by Vampothika | Discussion: Community
I am just wondering, are there any master female skinners? and how long will it take before females are recognized as equals as males on this site, and get promoted almost as fast as the males........ As a female, i personally dont believe that we are. I feel that its very hard to be recognized as a serious skinner being female......
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WeatherBound
Reply #22 Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:58 PM
Reply #22 Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:58 PM
Fairyy~, Quentin94 and Zubaz have had the the best answers.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #23 Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:01 PM
Reply #23 Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:01 PM
As for being a master, theres more to it than just # of skins and Quality. it's time invested, being an integral part of WC on a day to day basis not to mention contributing to skinning in general, The masters typically are integral members on many skinning sites). Can you really sit back and compare your self to Master's such as Treetog's works and say im of his and Alexandrie's caliber and deserve a master position?
Look at the Masters, with their years and years of time and pages of Skin contributions to WC as well as other contributions to the skinning community.
P.S.
Tip: "An Im better than all of you and I deserve a promotion" post rarely ever warms the communitys hearts and typically doesn't achieve the desired result
Look at the Masters, with their years and years of time and pages of Skin contributions to WC as well as other contributions to the skinning community.
P.S.
Tip: "An Im better than all of you and I deserve a promotion" post rarely ever warms the communitys hearts and typically doesn't achieve the desired result
Jafo
Reply #24 Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:06 PM
Reply #24 Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:06 PM
Wincustomize.com does not discriminate or differentiate between male and female in any way at all.
Promotions are simple cause/effect. Sex is not important. [er...it is, but that's a different topic.....GENDER is not important].
In the dim, dark caverns of the Wincustomize site, rubbing shoulders with dormant bugs and their recently eradicated kin, the 'movers and shakers' are devising a way to 'guarantee' no-one is inadvertently overlooked for promotion. There is typically going to have been a few who may be past-due for elevation, having slipped under the radar......but that too is not something particular to either gender, but both.
One of the 'good' bits of administering Wincustomize.com is the chance we have to [usually unnoticed] reward contributors/devotees to WC and skinning through the promotion system. I for one have been doing it for years....and it's still a nice feeling...though conversely I do not enjoy the odd occasion the person may be on the decent rather than rise. The latter engenders a feeling of disappointment, both in the person and perhaps too in his possible mis-management.
As for the question of females being masters and/or competent skinners, etc.....let's not forget Alexandrie.....[the good looking half of Pixtudio, - sorry, Renato, you know that bit's true... ]. Johanne's probably forgotten more about skinning than most have even imagined learning.
Hopefully in WC2K8 there'll be a 'register' of who's who and at what level.....it's something I've always hankered for....
HG_Eliminator
Reply #25 Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:17 PM
Reply #25 Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:17 PM
I now wish to have the Honorarium "Pizza Master" as I wish to reside over all that is cheezy and topped with pepperoni...
SirSmiley
Reply #26 Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:28 PM
Reply #26 Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:28 PM
I don't believe you wrote the post as an "I'm better than all of you" post, after reading your post a couple times. It just sounds that way when someone uses themselves as an examples.
This question has been asked before maybe we need to change the question or put out a community challenge on how to attract more women into skinning?
Just my two cents.
This question has been asked before maybe we need to change the question or put out a community challenge on how to attract more women into skinning?
Just my two cents.
ZubaZ
Reply #27 Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:52 PM
Reply #27 Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:52 PM
how to attract more women into skinning?
Wow. Great question and one that if answered and accomplished would make a Master out of anyone in my book. 
scorpNZ
Reply #28 Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:27 PM
Reply #28 Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:27 PM
Kitty since your in Oz i'm not sure if you've seen the "mainland cheese ads from NZ with those two ol' geezers" in a nut shell the point of the ad is that a good cheese takes time same goes for wine,i would assume that you'll get promoted all in good time, tho i gotta say that wednesday wb is most excellant as i use it on the my original hdd
Vampothika
Reply #31 Monday, September 24, 2007 3:21 AM
Reply #31 Monday, September 24, 2007 3:21 AM
actually, trying to get more woman to the site would be good!.....
Old_Crab
Reply #32 Monday, September 24, 2007 3:30 AM
Reply #32 Monday, September 24, 2007 3:30 AM
Give 'em hell kittymalone. Throw rocks at them, pick those rocks up and throw them again! I've been thinking the same thing for years. Ha! Anyway with steady patience and hand you can achieve whatever you want and for being bipolar thats pretty good! I've been diagnosed as bipolar for 20 years now and I believe I've accomplished everything I set out to do! Keep throwing rocks thought I feels good!
HA! Grand Raspberries to all and to all a good night or day......whatever!
HA! Grand Raspberries to all and to all a good night or day......whatever!
ArileenDesign
Reply #33 Monday, September 24, 2007 3:51 AM
IF you(general not you) get "slapped" it's not the site but some people...
that's cool
So make your site; not to tell you to take the door here but cause like that you can sell your work and maybe live with that.
What's master status can make for you about that? sell on WC store? so make your own can help you.
If you are good no mater if you are citizen on WC, people will take your work.
What do you need for that? a good pub, a good work, some patience and MANY work.
sorry to hear that
Reply #33 Monday, September 24, 2007 3:51 AM
then this must be a communist site
this site is very political, very bitchy, and very 'shut up and say nothing'..its true, just look around. if your out of place you get slapped for it.
IF you(general not you) get "slapped" it's not the site but some people...
I personally wanted to do this for a living, but since I cannot see myself being promoted to master for a many great years, i have had to think about my future.
that's cool
So make your site; not to tell you to take the door here but cause like that you can sell your work and maybe live with that.What's master status can make for you about that? sell on WC store? so make your own can help you.
If you are good no mater if you are citizen on WC, people will take your work.
What do you need for that? a good pub, a good work, some patience and MANY work.
I am a pensioner with bi polar (make jokes about that, i dont care, but its a fact) and since I cannot hold down a normal 9 to 5 job like the rest of the world...skinning was a good option for me....
sorry to hear that
HG_Eliminator
Reply #34 Monday, September 24, 2007 4:33 AM
I have noticed every female who has replied has agreed,
actually i dont think Bebi agreed with ya...
actually shenaynay agreed with Q ...
Reply #34 Monday, September 24, 2007 4:33 AM
I have noticed every female who has replied has agreed,
actually i dont think Bebi agreed with ya...
actually shenaynay agreed with Q ...
NightTrainthedark
Reply #35 Monday, September 24, 2007 6:53 AM
wrong. Free speech is not free. You are accountable for your words and people have the right to hold you accountable.
Just hang in there Kitty. Your work will speak for itself.
Reply #35 Monday, September 24, 2007 6:53 AM
If im going to be ignored or (not promoted) because I have voiced an opinion and possibly a problem, then this must be a communist site, hey, democracy is freedom of speech. yeah? so therefore, if I voice an opinion or not, should not relate to promotion..ect.
wrong. Free speech is not free. You are accountable for your words and people have the right to hold you accountable.
Just hang in there Kitty. Your work will speak for itself.
WebGizmos
Reply #36 Monday, September 24, 2007 7:56 AM
Reply #36 Monday, September 24, 2007 7:56 AM
And...Your are more than welcome to start your own website and sell your stuff there Kitty just as some others have done. WC isn't the only site where skins get sold. Something to think about.
PoSmedley
Reply #37 Monday, September 24, 2007 8:03 AM
Reply #37 Monday, September 24, 2007 8:03 AM
The League of Extraordinary Skinners has women...
messiah1
Reply #38 Monday, September 24, 2007 8:05 AM
I would hope that the majority of folks here are mature enough that they wouldn't make fun of you. Again Kitty, your works do and shall speak for themselves, female creations or not. I hope you stay around and continue to submit stuff.
Reply #38 Monday, September 24, 2007 8:05 AM
I am a pensioner with bi polar (make jokes about that, i dont care, but its a fact)
I would hope that the majority of folks here are mature enough that they wouldn't make fun of you. Again Kitty, your works do and shall speak for themselves, female creations or not. I hope you stay around and continue to submit stuff.
PoSmedley
Reply #39 Monday, September 24, 2007 8:44 AM
and ignore the little perks we dangle in front of you for rising in the ranks.
What 'label'? That they feel they deserve something? That they feel they contribute? Just like promotions, such posts should be taken on a member by member basis. It 'is' possible that someone gets overlooked once in a while. It shouldn't have to wait if the person has honestly and innocently been overlooked.
and 'popular pressure'?? Then 'don't' promote the Master's and their skins so much. Don't post articles on how well they do or that they can 'make a living' on their skins. Geez. What person that skins would NOT want to give up the grind of a 9 to 5 job doing something they don't love as much as skinning? WC made Master status 'popular' and continues to promote it as an elite status to shoot for. I haven't seen any articles on what a huge mistake it was or any Master's saying "Take my Master rank away. I can't stand it."
Reply #39 Monday, September 24, 2007 8:44 AM
Skin for yourself.
Skin for your peers.
Skin to escape.
Skin to fit in.
Have fun.
Don't skin for a promotion.
Don't skin for downloads.
Don't skin for ratings.
Have fun.
Skin for your peers.
Skin to escape.
Skin to fit in.
Have fun.
Don't skin for a promotion.
Don't skin for downloads.
Don't skin for ratings.
Have fun.
and ignore the little perks we dangle in front of you for rising in the ranks.
One last thing; public statements like this can have many effects. They can enlighten a problem or label a poster. If you, Kitty were in line for a promotion this month (something I know nothing about one way or another; it's just an example) does a post like this make the promoter look like they are caving in to popular pressure? Should the promotion continue? Or should it wait until enough time has passed so the promotion is "unencumbered" by any political issues?
What 'label'? That they feel they deserve something? That they feel they contribute? Just like promotions, such posts should be taken on a member by member basis. It 'is' possible that someone gets overlooked once in a while. It shouldn't have to wait if the person has honestly and innocently been overlooked.
and 'popular pressure'?? Then 'don't' promote the Master's and their skins so much. Don't post articles on how well they do or that they can 'make a living' on their skins. Geez. What person that skins would NOT want to give up the grind of a 9 to 5 job doing something they don't love as much as skinning? WC made Master status 'popular' and continues to promote it as an elite status to shoot for. I haven't seen any articles on what a huge mistake it was or any Master's saying "Take my Master rank away. I can't stand it."
Fairyy~
Reply #40 Monday, September 24, 2007 8:52 AM
Where did I agree with you ? I stated that there were lots of others that have been overlooked that have been here 3 and 4 years. ( Men and woman ) I would never agree that the site discriminates against women. There are men here that might rate a ' womans ' skin with less than it deserves because they do not like pink or they dont like frills or whatever. Thats the only time I get pissed about the women/men thing. But as far as being treated different by the administrators and moderators ...I do not believe I have ever been treated any differently. I have been given promotions and Im usually embarrassed by them. I'm not big on fanfare and your post tooting your own horn about being better than some of the other journeymen just doesn't fare well with me. I know my skinning limitations but I also know enough that if I am good at something I would never brag about it and try to bring others down in the meantime. Maybe that was not your intention but being a ' windowblind ' skinner doesn't automatically make you more important than others. You have been here a year - many others have contributed to this site before you in many other ways.
As for you being bipolar and wanting to make a living out of skinning - well thats all well and good. But being disabled doesn't guarantee you a paid position anywhere.
Many of us are disabled and can no longer work and would love to be able to bring in some money and feel productive again. We just don't feel the need to use it as a bargaining tool to get what we want.
As for your skinning - yes you are good but let others tell you...
Reply #40 Monday, September 24, 2007 8:52 AM
I have noticed every female who has replied has agreed, I even read an interview by a female skinner on this site who also said she found it hard to be recognized as a female skinner.
Where did I agree with you ? I stated that there were lots of others that have been overlooked that have been here 3 and 4 years. ( Men and woman ) I would never agree that the site discriminates against women. There are men here that might rate a ' womans ' skin with less than it deserves because they do not like pink or they dont like frills or whatever. Thats the only time I get pissed about the women/men thing. But as far as being treated different by the administrators and moderators ...I do not believe I have ever been treated any differently. I have been given promotions and Im usually embarrassed by them. I'm not big on fanfare and your post tooting your own horn about being better than some of the other journeymen just doesn't fare well with me. I know my skinning limitations but I also know enough that if I am good at something I would never brag about it and try to bring others down in the meantime. Maybe that was not your intention but being a ' windowblind ' skinner doesn't automatically make you more important than others. You have been here a year - many others have contributed to this site before you in many other ways.
As for you being bipolar and wanting to make a living out of skinning - well thats all well and good. But being disabled doesn't guarantee you a paid position anywhere.
Many of us are disabled and can no longer work and would love to be able to bring in some money and feel productive again. We just don't feel the need to use it as a bargaining tool to get what we want.
As for your skinning - yes you are good but let others tell you...
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Reply #21 Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:52 PM