female skinners
Sunday, September 23, 2007 by Vampothika | Discussion: Community
I am just wondering, are there any master female skinners? and how long will it take before females are recognized as equals as males on this site, and get promoted almost as fast as the males........ As a female, i personally dont believe that we are. I feel that its very hard to be recognized as a serious skinner being female......
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messiah1
Reply #2 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:18 PM
Do you really believe that you aren't a Master because you are female? I think your work is good. Is there room for improvement, yes, but that can be said of all of us.
This statement is, in my opinion, ridiculous. Your skills are what will get you recognized. Nobody gives a flying flip whether you have a penis or not. I like your stuff Kitty, but I could do without the whining.
The preceding has been brought to you as an opinioin of a pea-brained male. Take it or leave it, it matters not to me.
Reply #2 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:18 PM
I am just wondering, are there any master female skinners? and how long will it take before females are recognized as equals as males on this site, and get promoted almost as fast as the males........
Do you really believe that you aren't a Master because you are female? I think your work is good. Is there room for improvement, yes, but that can be said of all of us.
I feel that its very hard to be recognized as a serious skinner being female
This statement is, in my opinion, ridiculous. Your skills are what will get you recognized. Nobody gives a flying flip whether you have a penis or not. I like your stuff Kitty, but I could do without the whining.
The preceding has been brought to you as an opinioin of a pea-brained male. Take it or leave it, it matters not to me.
boss0190
Reply #3 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:32 PM
Reply #3 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:32 PM
I have to agree..I seriously doubt the ones giving promotions could care less if the skinner is male or female. Talent and contributing to the community will usually win every time.
I do, however, believe you are due for a promotion. In my opinion you've more than surpassed apprentice qualifications.
I do, however, believe you are due for a promotion. In my opinion you've more than surpassed apprentice qualifications.
ZubaZ
Reply #5 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:43 PM
Reply #5 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:43 PM
I have never checked profiles to see who is male or female.
I don't try to parse usernames for sexual . . whatever.
The sex of an artist has never come up as critera for inclusion or exclusion for promotion as far as I know.
Skin for yourself.
Skin for your peers.
Skin to escape.
Skin to fit in.
Have fun.
Don't skin for a promotion.
Don't skin for downloads.
Don't skin for ratings.
Have fun.
One last thing; public statements like this can have many effects. They can enlighten a problem or label a poster. If you, Kitty were in line for a promotion this month (something I know nothing about one way or another; it's just an example) does a post like this make the promoter look like they are caving in to popular pressure? Should the promotion continue? Or should it wait until enough time has passed so the promotion is "unencumbered" by any political issues?
On another note, Stardock, the sponsor of this little piece of the web is chock full of women in positions of authority. Not quiet women either. Strong, independent, (wonderful) women. I can not believe that there is any way in Hell they would allow any good- ol' boys to exclude anyone.
Zubaz waves to KarmaGirl (VP of Operations) and CariElf (Lead Developer GalCiv)
I don't try to parse usernames for sexual . . whatever.
The sex of an artist has never come up as critera for inclusion or exclusion for promotion as far as I know.
Skin for yourself.
Skin for your peers.
Skin to escape.
Skin to fit in.
Have fun.
Don't skin for a promotion.
Don't skin for downloads.
Don't skin for ratings.
Have fun.
One last thing; public statements like this can have many effects. They can enlighten a problem or label a poster. If you, Kitty were in line for a promotion this month (something I know nothing about one way or another; it's just an example) does a post like this make the promoter look like they are caving in to popular pressure? Should the promotion continue? Or should it wait until enough time has passed so the promotion is "unencumbered" by any political issues?
On another note, Stardock, the sponsor of this little piece of the web is chock full of women in positions of authority. Not quiet women either. Strong, independent, (wonderful) women. I can not believe that there is any way in Hell they would allow any good- ol' boys to exclude anyone.
Zubaz waves to KarmaGirl (VP of Operations) and CariElf (Lead Developer GalCiv)
ArileenDesign
Reply #6 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:52 PM
It's not cause they are not as active as Master males (especially news ones) that they aren't there
(Statement you not mine you kitty but a general people)
then:
I think those who give promotions don't really care that you are a female or a male
But they look your contribution to the community, being active and helpful (or at less try to be it), and your skin work.
You can be an awesome skinner if you don't contribute to the community i really don't think they will promote you more than master apprentice or journeyman... (just my own opinion)
Reply #6 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:52 PM
I am just wondering, are there any master female skinners?
It's not cause they are not as active as Master males (especially news ones) that they aren't there
and how long will it take before females are recognized as equals as males on this site, and get promoted almost as fast as the males........ As a female, i personally dont believe that we are. I feel that its very hard to be recognized as a serious skinner being female
(Statement you not mine you kitty but a general people)
then:
I think those who give promotions don't really care that you are a female or a male
But they look your contribution to the community, being active and helpful (or at less try to be it), and your skin work.
You can be an awesome skinner if you don't contribute to the community i really don't think they will promote you more than master apprentice or journeyman... (just my own opinion)
Fairyy~
Reply #7 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:52 PM
There are many people here that are overlooked and overdue for promotions. They keep skinning in silence and have been doing so for years. I have seen newer members get several promotions in only a few months time. While I have no problem with that in particular....it doesn't seem to be a fair system at all.
Reply #7 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:52 PM
I do, however, believe you are due for a promotion. In my opinion you've more than surpassed apprentice qualifications.
There are many people here that are overlooked and overdue for promotions. They keep skinning in silence and have been doing so for years. I have seen newer members get several promotions in only a few months time. While I have no problem with that in particular....it doesn't seem to be a fair system at all.
ArileenDesign
Reply #8 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:53 PM
Skin for yourself.
Skin for your peers.
Skin to escape.
Skin to fit in.
Have fun.
Don't skin for a promotion.
Don't skin for downloads.
Don't skin for ratings.
Have fun.
Ditto
Reply #8 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:53 PM
Skin for yourself.
Skin for your peers.
Skin to escape.
Skin to fit in.
Have fun.
Don't skin for a promotion.
Don't skin for downloads.
Don't skin for ratings.
Have fun.
Ditto
NightTrainthedark
Reply #9 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:58 PM
Reply #9 Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:58 PM
Kitty.. You have not even been around that long. Every Master Skinner has been around for many years. In most cases since 2000 or earlier. Making Apprentice in less than a year isn't bad.
Saying you know for a fact that your work is better than some Journeymen kinda cracks me up. We have all been there. In a few months, you will look at your work, see big improvements and look back at old work and feel embarassed. Trust me. It will happen... and then it will happen again.
Saying you know for a fact that your work is better than some Journeymen kinda cracks me up. We have all been there. In a few months, you will look at your work, see big improvements and look back at old work and feel embarassed. Trust me. It will happen... and then it will happen again.
ZubaZ
Reply #10 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:00 PM
Reply #10 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:00 PM
So there I am mopping the kitchen thinking about this post . . . . (I really need a life)
What do you (anyone who reads and wants to answer) think makes a person ready for the the next promotion?
What do you (anyone who reads and wants to answer) think makes a person ready for the the next promotion?
Bebi Bulma
Reply #11 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:03 PM
Reply #11 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:03 PM
Does it really matter that much which level you are?
From what I've found (from being a mod on another site) is that if it's one thing that identifies a person who shouldn't be marked for promoting, it's the ones that are so overly eager to get that promotion in the first place.
From what I've found (from being a mod on another site) is that if it's one thing that identifies a person who shouldn't be marked for promoting, it's the ones that are so overly eager to get that promotion in the first place.
boss0190
Reply #12 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:04 PM
Same thing for the rating's system for those who care about ratings...it never seems fair.
But Zubaz put it short and sweet as far as what skinning should be about.
Reply #12 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:04 PM
it doesn't seem to be a fair system at all.
Same thing for the rating's system for those who care about ratings...it never seems fair.
But Zubaz put it short and sweet as far as what skinning should be about.
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #13 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:11 PM
Amen brutha. Rogue Proton is gonna get an update next for that very reason.
Reply #13 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:11 PM
We have all been there. In a few months, you will look at your work, see big improvements and look back at old work and feel embarassed.
Amen brutha.
Rogue Proton is gonna get an update next for that very reason.
Fairyy~
Reply #14 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:22 PM
I think you could just check out to see what members continue to make skins on a regular basis and just because they dont hang out in forum or icq they should be recognised.
It does in some ways but mostly because of the 5 day waiting period for skins in mod queue. Journeyman do not wait - they are auto approved. That is probably the biggest plus of a journeyman.
Some people get promotions just by hanging in forum and never skinning anything - which is fine too. Helping in forum is always a big plus to any site. But it should work the same way for skinners that do not have time to hang in forum. Some are too busy skinning in the spare time they have between working life.
Reply #14 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:22 PM
What do you (anyone who reads and wants to answer) think makes a person ready for the the next promotion?
I think you could just check out to see what members continue to make skins on a regular basis and just because they dont hang out in forum or icq they should be recognised.
Does it really matter that much which level you are?
It does in some ways but mostly because of the 5 day waiting period for skins in mod queue. Journeyman do not wait - they are auto approved. That is probably the biggest plus of a journeyman.
Some people get promotions just by hanging in forum and never skinning anything - which is fine too. Helping in forum is always a big plus to any site. But it should work the same way for skinners that do not have time to hang in forum. Some are too busy skinning in the spare time they have between working life.
Philly0381
Reply #15 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:25 PM
Reply #15 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:25 PM
Since I'm a non-skinner you can say that I don't have a real apprerciation for this subject. You could say that, but you would be wrong.
Zubaz always comes up with an appropriate response.
Zubaz always comes up with an appropriate response.
ArileenDesign
Reply #16 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:25 PM
What's means a level anyway? something about your skin work? I don't think
I think it's from a general view you need to watch (hope that means something)
from about page:
Apprentice
A citizen user who has submitted skins can be nominated to be promoted to an Apprentice. To become an apprentice one needs to be contributing to the skinning community in some way. WinCustomize is not the skinning community, helping other websites in the skinning community counts as well
Master Apprentice rank for those right on the verge of becoming Journeymen.
Journeymen
A handful of "super-citizens" will be at this class. These are people who are significant contributors to the community. The honorific "Sir" or "Lady" is appended to the front of their name. If you're a journeyman, then you are one biggest contributors to WinCustomize.com. The difference between a Journeyman and an Apprentice is that a Journeyman is contributing significantly to WinCustomize in particular as well as the skinning community in general.
Masters
These are the "elders" of the skinning community. People who have been around for awhile. Only a few people will be at this class. To be a Master, not only must the user be a significant contributor to the community, but instrumental to the day to day life of WinCustomize
i bold and underline what i think is important....
In my own opinion
Reply #16 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:25 PM
Does it really matter that much which level you are?
What's means a level anyway? something about your skin work? I don't think
I think it's from a general view you need to watch (hope that means something)
from about page:
Apprentice
A citizen user who has submitted skins can be nominated to be promoted to an Apprentice. To become an apprentice one needs to be contributing to the skinning community in some way. WinCustomize is not the skinning community, helping other websites in the skinning community counts as well
Master Apprentice rank for those right on the verge of becoming Journeymen.
Journeymen
A handful of "super-citizens" will be at this class. These are people who are significant contributors to the community. The honorific "Sir" or "Lady" is appended to the front of their name. If you're a journeyman, then you are one biggest contributors to WinCustomize.com. The difference between a Journeyman and an Apprentice is that a Journeyman is contributing significantly to WinCustomize in particular as well as the skinning community in general.
Masters
These are the "elders" of the skinning community. People who have been around for awhile. Only a few people will be at this class. To be a Master, not only must the user be a significant contributor to the community, but instrumental to the day to day life of WinCustomize
i bold and underline what i think is important....
In my own opinion
ArileenDesign
Reply #17 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:36 PM
now to answer you Zubaz
not joking: a person ready for the next promotion: someone who don't care about and just do what they do to help cause they like that and want to be helpful and who skin for fun (but keep improving their works and involving) not for ratings/downloads/promotions.
Reply #17 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:36 PM
What do you (anyone who reads and wants to answer) think makes a person ready for the the next promotion?
now to answer you Zubaz
not joking: a person ready for the next promotion: someone who don't care about and just do what they do to help cause they like that and want to be helpful and who skin for fun (but keep improving their works and involving) not for ratings/downloads/promotions.
Shenaynay
Reply #18 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:46 PM
Great answer!!
Reply #18 Sunday, September 23, 2007 7:46 PM
not joking: a person ready for the next promotion: someone who don't care about and just do what they do to help cause they like that and want to be helpful and who skin for fun (but keep improving their works and involving) not for ratings/downloads/promotions.
Great answer!!
ArileenDesign
Reply #19 Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:01 PM
Reply #19 Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:01 PM
Add: everyones who think themself for themself
Be yourself and be happy and have fun in your life.
why if not are you there and in skinning community?
To get skins? ok
Make skins ok but you can keep them for you isn't it? if you share them, why? get recognition/download/ratings/promotions only? Same if you are here and help in forums.
My opinion: i think that if you do all of that to get recognition/download/ratings/promotions only; you are not in the good way or/and good site.
Again it's only my opinion and i could be wrong (translate english is hard
) But i really hope i'm not wrong cause if i am, i think i'm not on the good site.
Be yourself and be happy and have fun in your life.
why if not are you there and in skinning community?
To get skins? ok
Make skins ok but you can keep them for you isn't it? if you share them, why? get recognition/download/ratings/promotions only? Same if you are here and help in forums.
My opinion: i think that if you do all of that to get recognition/download/ratings/promotions only; you are not in the good way or/and good site.
Again it's only my opinion and i could be wrong (translate english is hard
) But i really hope i'm not wrong cause if i am, i think i'm not on the good site.
WOM
Reply #20 Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:24 PM
Reply #20 Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:24 PM
There are very few female skinners, and wallpaper artists is not a skinner make. There are a few Journeyman wallpaper females and a few Journeyman windowblind females and part of those don't skin or upload to the site anymore. Starone was a Master skinner who made Wizop. I've asked the question for years now, why so few female skinners. No one knows unless they're too busy with the kids. If Keila and APB were still here, they would be Masters. But we'll just have to wait 'till some females rise to the top in skinning.
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Reply #1 Sunday, September 23, 2007 5:53 PM
Do the same math for Females.. your % might actually be higher than males.
Keep knocking out the theme's.. when your work is recognized by others.. the way that you have suggested.. by the people that count when it comes to promotion.. you will be recognized for it.
It should never b up to the artist to tell others how good their work is.