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Jafo
Reply #2 Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:25 PM
Reply #2 Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:25 PM
Oops...I'd 'corrected' that, Corky...n/m...
Photoshop is the industry standard...PSP is cheaper.
Both do a good job at what they do...provided the user practises...
Koasati
Reply #3 Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:29 PM
Reply #3 Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:29 PM
Personally prefer Paint Shop Pro over Photoshop, industry standard or not. I tried everything I could get my hands on in the beginning, and PSP just clicked with me.
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #4 Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:33 PM
This is a European spelling? I learn something new every day.
Reply #4 Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:33 PM
| practises |
This is a European spelling? I learn something new every day.
Jafo
Reply #6 Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:45 PM
Reply #6 Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:45 PM
I only have [an old] PSP6 and Photoshop Elements.
For some obscure reason printing from PSP6 is a pain in the bum....formatting or locating an image on a page..and keeping its proportion does not work at all well.
On the other hand PE does it perfectly...and painlessly...
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #7 Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:50 PM
...not here.
Reply #7 Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:50 PM
| 'practise' is the verb....'practice' is the noun |
...not here.
Island Dog
Reply #8 Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:12 PM
Reply #8 Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:12 PM
I started with demo versions of Photoshop, then I bought PSP 8 on eBay. I registered it and was offered the upgrade to PSP 9 for a good price so I bought the upgrade. PSP 9 is nice, but I still liked Photoshop better. I have read articles that Corel is going to make PSP more for the home photographer, so I thought it was time to switch.
I bought an old version of Photoshop on eBay, registered it, and bought the upgrade.
I bought an old version of Photoshop on eBay, registered it, and bought the upgrade.
black_udder
Reply #9 Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:20 PM
Reply #9 Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:20 PM
My 2 cents is it depends on you're working as a graphics professional or as a hobby.
As it's been said you're talking about $99 or less for Paint Shop Pro and $150 - $600 for Photoshop (I think Elements is about $100-150).
If your graphics need to be loaded by somebody else and edited or printed professionally, then perhaps photoshop is what you need. I believe it has a fairly steep learning curve, but I've seen people that have learned by themselves and can produce fantastic stuff.
I don't believe that Paint Shop Pro boasts the printing capabilities of Photoshop (as in taking art to a print shop). It used to be easier to grasp, but as it's added features, I believe it's become more like Photoshop as far as the learning curve goes.
If you're hoping to learn about graphics for your own use or for web use, skinning, etc. I'd recommend Paint Shop Pro. It's the least expensive and most bang for your buck. If you decide to expand and want to learn Photoshop later, you can always pick it up later when you *know* your in it for the long haul and then it's a real investment.
Photoshop is geared towards corporate professionals, Paint Shop Pro is geared towards to the rest of us.
I believe either will support you well, but as most have said, you will only get out of it what you put into it.
Good luck.
P.S. You can always go to Jasc's website and download Paint Shop Pro and give it a whirl. Might be able to Demo Photoshop Elements too, so you can evaluate based on a hands-on feel.
As it's been said you're talking about $99 or less for Paint Shop Pro and $150 - $600 for Photoshop (I think Elements is about $100-150).
If your graphics need to be loaded by somebody else and edited or printed professionally, then perhaps photoshop is what you need. I believe it has a fairly steep learning curve, but I've seen people that have learned by themselves and can produce fantastic stuff.
I don't believe that Paint Shop Pro boasts the printing capabilities of Photoshop (as in taking art to a print shop). It used to be easier to grasp, but as it's added features, I believe it's become more like Photoshop as far as the learning curve goes.
If you're hoping to learn about graphics for your own use or for web use, skinning, etc. I'd recommend Paint Shop Pro. It's the least expensive and most bang for your buck. If you decide to expand and want to learn Photoshop later, you can always pick it up later when you *know* your in it for the long haul and then it's a real investment.
Photoshop is geared towards corporate professionals, Paint Shop Pro is geared towards to the rest of us.
I believe either will support you well, but as most have said, you will only get out of it what you put into it.
Good luck.
P.S. You can always go to Jasc's website and download Paint Shop Pro and give it a whirl. Might be able to Demo Photoshop Elements too, so you can evaluate based on a hands-on feel.
Jafo
Reply #10 Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:33 PM
Reply #10 Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:33 PM
Oh, to qualify...
Practice n.
Practise v. Br Aus
Practice v. US
....
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #11 Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:38 PM
Reply #11 Thursday, July 7, 2005 10:38 PM
I really had no idea. Always learning. 
I use PSP9, but I bought it based on price (unemployed when I bought it) and have nothing to compare it to, but at least it has been problem free for me.
I use PSP9, but I bought it based on price (unemployed when I bought it) and have nothing to compare it to, but at least it has been problem free for me.
Snowman
Reply #12 Friday, July 8, 2005 4:53 AM
Reply #12 Friday, July 8, 2005 4:53 AM
| Personally prefer Paint Shop Pro over Photoshop, industry standard or not. I tried everything I could get my hands on in the beginning, and PSP just clicked with me. |
I'm with Koasati on this one.
But admittedly PS is more powerfull than PSP. But still, the layout/feel of the program is imo somewhat..... bleh...
PSP 8 & 9 looks and feels like a C&P of PS though - hence why I still use PSP7.
But, digital flow, do some "shopping around", try out alot of programs to find one that suits you!
Lantec
Reply #13 Friday, July 8, 2005 5:57 AM
Reply #13 Friday, July 8, 2005 5:57 AM
I have both PSP8 and Photoshop Elements 2, and While the "full" version of Photoshop is more powerful, I prefer PSP8 to Elements. It seems to be a little more intuitive and I've found a lot more "stuff" (brushes, picture tubes, gradients, tutorials, etc.) on the internet for it. The only thing I use Elements for is saving to TGA or PNG format. PSP8 has a problem with the Targa format transparency.
gef
Reply #14 Friday, July 8, 2005 6:02 AM
Reply #14 Friday, July 8, 2005 6:02 AM
Both have their merits but I much prefer Photoshop.
Fact is though, unless you practise,( hope this is spelt correctly Paul ), neither is of much use.
Try using a pencil and paper first. When you become accomplished with these, move to computers.
Fact is though, unless you practise,( hope this is spelt correctly Paul ), neither is of much use.
Try using a pencil and paper first. When you become accomplished with these, move to computers.
Koasati
Reply #16 Friday, July 8, 2005 6:40 AM
Reply #16 Friday, July 8, 2005 6:40 AM
| Try using a pencil and paper first. When you become accomplished with these, move to computers. |
Oh drat! Guess I'll have to move away from the computer.......
d0p3y2k4
Reply #17 Friday, July 8, 2005 7:18 AM
Reply #17 Friday, July 8, 2005 7:18 AM
if u have the money go with photoshop if you dont have the money go with paintshop both is good programs but i perfer paintshop over photoshop
gef
Reply #18 Friday, July 8, 2005 9:19 AM
If you have money - buy them all.
Reply #18 Friday, July 8, 2005 9:19 AM
| if u have the money go with photoshop |
If you have money - buy them all.
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Reply #1 Thursday, July 7, 2005 9:22 PM
Adobe Photoshop is still the standard by which all pixel based editing programs are rated.
If you have the money to spend, Photoshop is still the best - at least by all that I know (though my knowledge comes from designing Quality Control standards and assembly manuals - not a graphic artists level of knowledge).
I also use Paint Shop Pro at work, and it is a good program to start with if you are on a low budget. It can do many of the basic things that Photoshop does, and has a nice assortment of tools.
Please wait for others to chime in, to get a greater base of counsel.