Serious Ratings Abuse Still Happening
rehashing an old favorite
Saturday, February 19, 2005 by Phoon | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
I can't help but notice that as of late, there has been some serious rating slamming happening particularly in the Windowblinds section.
There have been some fine themes that are getting hammered with 1 and 2 stars and some mediocre themes getting 3 and 4.
When Boxxi puts out a new one like Gold Carbon and its getting rated at 2 stars, I think that is proof enough.
It seems we have hashed and rehashed this issue, yet nothing ever gets done about it.
Why can't we have the following rules for ratings, it WOULD do a great deal to solve the issue.
#1) If you are going to rate, you MUST leave a comment.
#2) Your username, comment and rating are visible to the skinner at least.
There have been some fine themes that are getting hammered with 1 and 2 stars and some mediocre themes getting 3 and 4.
When Boxxi puts out a new one like Gold Carbon and its getting rated at 2 stars, I think that is proof enough.
It seems we have hashed and rehashed this issue, yet nothing ever gets done about it.
Why can't we have the following rules for ratings, it WOULD do a great deal to solve the issue.
#1) If you are going to rate, you MUST leave a comment.
#2) Your username, comment and rating are visible to the skinner at least.
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Essencay
Reply #2 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:28 PM
....one of the pitfalls of being a Journeyman if no one rates your skins. I think the 3-star rating or 6 that a Journeyman's skin has when it first posts should stick, instead of being wiped out bu a single rating.
Reply #2 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:28 PM
| its getting rated at 2 stars |
Double Zero
Reply #3 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:30 PM
Reply #3 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:30 PM
Seconds the motion..Even tho I am absolutely nobody here other than a citizen. I have witnessed the exact thing Phoon is talking about and agree 100%..if that means anything at all.
I'll shut-up now and let the powers that actually matter concern themselves with the topic..::laughs::
Good Luck Phoon,
Zero.
I'll shut-up now and let the powers that actually matter concern themselves with the topic..::laughs::
Good Luck Phoon,
Zero.
kona0197
Reply #4 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:37 PM
Reply #4 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:37 PM
I only rate what I use for more than a week. That said I leave comments as well. I support Phoon's arguements and love his solution. 
Phoon
Reply #5 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:37 PM
Reply #5 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:37 PM
Boss.. I used Boxxi's skin just as an example as it is extremely uncommon to see on one of his works. You left comments and rated according to your comments. That is a valid proceedure IMHO. What I can't stand are the anonymous 1's and 2's that do it just to be mean and try to glorify their own works, or just because they don't like your name, your screenshot, or you in general. I think the anonymity involved is very very counter productive in this environment.
Sleeping Dragon
Reply #6 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:44 PM
Reply #6 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:44 PM
It's not fair at all, but exposing ratings will cause feuds. Boss rated Phoon a 2 so Phoon will get him back(just an example). I don't know what the answer is, but you're right; it's not fair. Maybe no ratings? Or maybe everything starts at a 0 and increases in rating by the number of downloads and comments? I don't know.
Boss019
Reply #7 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:45 PM
Reply #7 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:45 PM
Exactly Phoon, that's the way it should be done, and there was a long long thread on this last week, and maybe some got it and will either try the skin and comment from there, and only then should they rate it, if at all..if I take the time to download something and use it, I will comment on it and I will rate it, if I don't download it, I won't do either...and the only way to get rid of the bashers is to monitor them and take action if they are abusing the system, talking about them and saying what crap it is in the forums won't do a bit of good if they want to be ass****s
Boss019
Reply #8 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:47 PM
Reply #8 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:47 PM
Or we can all just go to every skin and say "Good Job" and rate it a 3 
NightTrainthedark
Reply #11 Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:21 PM
Reply #11 Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:21 PM
| I think the anonymity involved is very very counter productive in this environment. |
Essencay
Reply #12 Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:28 PM
Skins that go through moderation, usually come out with a 6 rating that sticks, so a drive-by 1 or 2 doesn't make it a 1 or 2. A journeyman's skin doesn't go through moderation, comes out with a 6 rating that doesn't stick, so a drive-by 1 or 2 makes it a 1 or 2. So Joe you think that's fair?
Reply #12 Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:28 PM
| but not number 2 |
Skins that go through moderation, usually come out with a 6 rating that sticks, so a drive-by 1 or 2 doesn't make it a 1 or 2. A journeyman's skin doesn't go through moderation, comes out with a 6 rating that doesn't stick, so a drive-by 1 or 2 makes it a 1 or 2. So Joe you think that's fair?
eieio
Reply #13 Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:34 PM
Reply #13 Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:34 PM
I would like to see ratings tied to comments also. IMHO it would limit or at least curtail ratings based on the things Phoon noted above and it would also make bogus ratings apparent; whether they were very low or very high for no valid reason. It would be a lot easier to discount a rating if it was clear from the comment that there had been no real evaluation of the skin.
Boss019
Reply #14 Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:36 PM
Reply #14 Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:36 PM
oh, and Essencay, my rating was 2 stars....a 4 rating....not a 1 star , just to clarify..
Double Zero
Reply #15 Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:38 PM
Reply #15 Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:38 PM
Hmmmm, Ok..I know I said I would shut-up but..LoL.. Is there no way to run perhaps a "Dual" Rating system? I mean..being judged and rated by the other artists would be definitely more satisfying if your work got high marks, but could there not also be a rating system put forth to the everyday user? maybe for a certain time frame..say..2 weeks after the Skin/? becomes available? and then maybe a combination of these ratings average to become a final rating in the end?
just a minimal scenario without going into too much detail, and of course just a thought/comprimise/possible solution. After all, it would be a shame to lose any of the talent that is here at wincustomize, and it does seem to be a *Very heated topic.
Shutting-up again,
Zero.
just a minimal scenario without going into too much detail, and of course just a thought/comprimise/possible solution. After all, it would be a shame to lose any of the talent that is here at wincustomize, and it does seem to be a *Very heated topic.
Shutting-up again,
Zero.
Essencay
Reply #17 Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:54 PM
Reply #17 Saturday, February 19, 2005 11:54 PM
Boss019....no issues...the way you rate is fair and is all any skinner hopes for is someone who downloads and uses a skin before rating and commenting 
My comment wasn't directed at you, sorry if it seemed that way. Since Phoon brought up a skin from someone that doesn't have their work moderated, I am trying to point out the irony of an apprentice skin being protected and a journeyman skin isn't by a single rating.
My comment wasn't directed at you, sorry if it seemed that way. Since Phoon brought up a skin from someone that doesn't have their work moderated, I am trying to point out the irony of an apprentice skin being protected and a journeyman skin isn't by a single rating.
Lantec
Reply #18 Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:03 AM
Reply #18 Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:03 AM
It might be a good idea if the ratings were taken off the main browsing page and only available or visible when your click on comments. Kind of out of sight out of mind for some of the "drive-by" types. At least then an individual couldn't just go down one page and rate 25 or more skins at once.
gooberbean28
Reply #19 Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:05 AM
Reply #19 Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:05 AM
If you dont use it or download the skin to see if its any good how can you rate it? I only rate a WB or any skin if I download it, use it to see if I like it. If its a good quality skin that I use then I go back and rate it and leave a comment on how I like it! I second Lantec's idea!
I second Lantec's idea!
Boss019
Reply #20 Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:08 AM
Reply #20 Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:08 AM
That's not bad, Lantec, a decent patch of sorts..simple but would help...and all is cool Essencay, wasn't sure if we were on the same page, used to be numbers, now stars...and I don't think I've ever rated anything a one or two..not right to do that to someone who actually took the time to create a skin, I think
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Reply #1 Saturday, February 19, 2005 10:26 PM