Is a high resolution version of bootskin still going to happen?

Tuesday, October 12, 2004 by Mangy_Cur | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk

Just wondering whether anybody can say whether or not the high resolution version of bootskin is still in the works or not. I thought I also heard once that the beta version would be released on stardock central "as is" if they gave up on developing a version for release. Any info would be appreciated.
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paxx
Reply #1 Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:04 PM
Torro Torro
Reply #2 Tuesday, October 12, 2004 10:39 PM
It will never happen.
Torro Torro
Reply #3 Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:05 PM
If a high-res version comes out, it will probably be called BootSkin Plus and cost between $10 and $20
Jafo
Reply #4 Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:15 AM
Ignore 'Torro Torro'...it's unlikely to happen as there are too many disparate graphic card drivers, apparently....too many different types of hardware to accommodate without at least some having issues...
Chris TH
Reply #5 Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:19 AM
it will probably be called BootSkin Plus and cost between $10 and $20


So what? And the problem is ???? >

(Notwithstanding Jafo's comment about likelihood of it actually happening )



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Archangel_Douglas
Reply #6 Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:24 AM
jafo just told you what some of the problems were...
Brock Beesley
Reply #7 Wednesday, October 20, 2004 5:22 PM
I'm not sure what the complaint or sarcasm is about if we DID have to pay for Bootskin. Will Torro Torro have to borrow borrow?



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UzEE
Reply #8 Thursday, October 21, 2004 4:14 PM
What about the 9x Technology. Atleast it had 256 colors
Archangel_Douglas
Reply #9 Thursday, October 21, 2004 9:50 PM
yeah, if they could get bootskin to do at least 256, that would make things look a helluva lot better.. hell, 32 colours would be nicer than 16
Chris TH
Reply #10 Friday, October 22, 2004 1:01 AM
yeah, if they could get bootskin to do at least 256


The work required most likely has no relationship to the number of colours. If (for example) the driver only supports 16 colours and you want more, then it's a driver rewrite regardless.



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UzEE
Reply #11 Friday, October 22, 2004 11:45 AM
The work required most likely has no relationship to the number of colours. If (for example) the driver only supports 16 colours and you want more, then it's a driver rewrite regardless


Hey The Windows XP Default Drivers have support greater than 16 Colors.
And Besides if 9x can do it then XP Can Also
paxx
Reply #12 Friday, October 22, 2004 1:17 PM

Hey The Windows XP Default Drivers have support greater than 16 Colors

Prolem is, Windows isn't loaded yet when Bootscreen is displayed.

SelfExiled
Reply #13 Friday, October 22, 2004 2:56 PM
So, I guess we got teased with the 16 color version and all the talk was just talk about a full color version. I should have known. I'm glad I didn't waste my time installing it. I didn't like the 16 color crap with BootXP and I definitely didn't like it with Bootscreen either. Once was enough for me. (End of rant.)
UzEE
Reply #14 Friday, October 22, 2004 5:19 PM
Hey Bootskins is One of the Fast Growing Librarys on WinCustomize.
Chris TH
Reply #15 Friday, October 22, 2004 10:19 PM
And Besides if 9x can do it then XP Can Also


9x = DOS + GUI

XP is quite different. I'll take the word of the programers at Stardock.

I didn't like the 16 color crap with BootXP and I definitely didn't like it with Bootscreen either.


You're just spoiled

I reckon some of the screens are pretty amazing given the limits imposed on them.




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Jafo
Reply #16 Saturday, October 23, 2004 3:23 AM
As with any skin proggy....the trick is to push its limits to extract the best 'mod' possible....not just churn out yet another second-rate version of the default setup....
SelfExiled
Reply #17 Saturday, October 23, 2004 7:52 AM
As with any skin proggy....the trick is to push its limits to extract the best 'mod' possible....not just churn out yet another second-rate version of the default setup


My point exactly.

You're just spoiled I reckon some of the screens are pretty amazing given the limits imposed on them.


Bait not taken.
Jafo
Reply #18 Saturday, October 23, 2004 9:56 AM

Chas...I mean that the trick to a good skin is to push the limits of the proggy's capabilities.

Think 'Antares' in WB....and not some Luna clone made popularly droll by so many...

SelfExiled
Reply #19 Sunday, October 24, 2004 1:43 AM
Not much to push when the program can only handle 16 colors. That, and the fact that you only see the screen for 1-2 seconds anyway.

I guess I look for graphic quality myself and therefore tend to lean towards programs that actually promote that idea, such as wallpapers, windowblinds and logon studio. To me, 16 color images are a pixelated mess.

I guess the probelm is that it will take a lot of programming work to achieve the 256 or full color Bootscreen. And if people are having unresolvable issues with the current bootscreen version, it would be a mess trying to sell/support a full color version. And as a result, those who don't have those issues are left out using a great program and idea that will never see the light of day. Oh well...
Jafo
Reply #20 Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:18 AM

Chas.....image 'quality' need not be dependent on colour depth at all.

There is no reason why a bootskin image in 4 bit cannot be clever and effective....it's just that 'stolen' images of Britney's boobs in 24 bit will not adapt well to 4 bit which is why the section is moderated for such.

To do a 'half decent' job within a skin limitations....be it 4bit colour or fixed image placement a-la WA 2x requires a little 'talent' on the part of the artist/skinner, and not some 'twit' grabbing the first image he/she sees and claiming it's a bootskin.

What I dislike is those people who insist on misrepresenting their bootskins by providing full-colour previews in an attempt to fool the downloader into thinking they are good when infact they are not.

Sure the image is a jpg and therefore 16 million colours...but when it's reduced to 16 and gets seriously degraded it means they cheat, and that's indefensible....and the sign of a poor talent.

Winamp 'skinmaker' skins....aka 'photoskins' are the same thing....some weedy skin application tool fakes it for the newbie and we get Britney's dumb head on a skin for the umpteenth time.  Eventually they will learn to actually create the images from scratch [hopefully] cos they're not accepted here.

The difference between 'pushing limits' and not is the difference between 'Antares' and some dopey default Luna recoloured to purple/whatever and uploaded as if it is something 'new'....

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