Is the windows enhancement community ready for heavy graphic skins?
Thursday, September 9, 2004 by Styl-X Design | Discussion: WinCustomize Talk
Very often I find myself wondering what the big diffrence is between things like windowblinds and windows media player.
Its not hard to see that a lot of WMP skins use a lot heavier graphics then WB skins.
(note, with heavy graphic I mean 3d style).
I think its the custom shape of WMP that makes it more suitable for heavy graphic skins but wouldn't it be awesome to have a little of that 3d feeling being put in a wb skin?
I know there is some 3d in WB skins, but it never really get past an 'innershadow' filter
Whats the deal with this?
Styl-X Design fingers are starting to tintel as he has this 3d wb skin idea in his head for nearly a week now... Time to dust of skinstudio
Its not hard to see that a lot of WMP skins use a lot heavier graphics then WB skins.
(note, with heavy graphic I mean 3d style).
I think its the custom shape of WMP that makes it more suitable for heavy graphic skins but wouldn't it be awesome to have a little of that 3d feeling being put in a wb skin?
I know there is some 3d in WB skins, but it never really get past an 'innershadow' filter
Whats the deal with this?
Styl-X Design fingers are starting to tintel as he has this 3d wb skin idea in his head for nearly a week now... Time to dust of skinstudio
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joetheblow
Reply #82 Friday, September 10, 2004 1:48 PM
Reply #82 Friday, September 10, 2004 1:48 PM
To me this is 3D:
and this is flat:
For the 'flat' example, em's Meditation Windowblinds is really flat and the Rainlender calender skin Rewind_Smooth is what I would say is a skin that looks like it is 3D
Now, can someone make a 3D skin? I think a good example is Mindless Puppet's WB skin. Can someone make a 1D skin? Essorant can. He makes some awesome 1D skins. Better than 2D or 3D.
What about photo realistic skins? I would like to see more of that. I have nothing planned on my table of skins for a photo realistic skin.
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and this is flat:
For the 'flat' example, em's Meditation Windowblinds is really flat and the Rainlender calender skin Rewind_Smooth is what I would say is a skin that looks like it is 3D
Now, can someone make a 3D skin? I think a good example is Mindless Puppet's WB skin. Can someone make a 1D skin? Essorant can. He makes some awesome 1D skins. Better than 2D or 3D.
What about photo realistic skins? I would like to see more of that. I have nothing planned on my table of skins for a photo realistic skin.
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joetheblow
Reply #83 Friday, September 10, 2004 1:56 PM
To me, it looks the other way around. Hippy's looks more soft polished while yours, Stly, has a plastic look.
Reply #83 Friday, September 10, 2004 1:56 PM
| #42 by Skinner Styl skinner - 9/9/2004 3:46:23 PM hehe, Could be just me but check: |
| The images both at the same size.My skin has a soft polished metal feel over it, hippy's has a bit more of a plastic feel. |
To me, it looks the other way around. Hippy's looks more soft polished while yours, Stly, has a plastic look.
Styl-X Design
Reply #84 Friday, September 10, 2004 2:00 PM
Reply #84 Friday, September 10, 2004 2:00 PM
HG, I understand your point but I don't agree with it. I find it hard to accept that just because a skinner has a reputation means that he is 'untouchable'. Also attitude dasn't have anything to do with the quality of graphics. Do you really think clients will stop comming to me because some may find my attitude "arrogant"? And besides, not being a client of me I don't think you could judge me as hard to work with. The only thing that makes a design studio easy or hard to work with is their capability to stick to the death lines and the quality they deliver. So far so good.
For users something else counts but as you might have noticed, I haven't been an active skinner on the side of free skins for the last 6-7 months or so... probably longer. This is also why I havent builded a 'reputation', and to be honest, I don't really care for a reputation. If I did, I wouldn't have opened my mouth at this time and just do what all the others do.
Only a death fish go's with the stream.
-unknown but certainly true.
I always wanted to do design work that was other then the current WB skinning companies. Ofcourse I know I am not the topskinner on the planet or something but I can see, and I hear, that I deliver a fairly good quility of work. That compared with a fairly good price is a good working formula for business. (We, 2 designers, 1 coder and me, have a waiting list of 2 weeks now... that should say enough.) But then again, to say that I probably have to be arrogant
For users something else counts but as you might have noticed, I haven't been an active skinner on the side of free skins for the last 6-7 months or so... probably longer. This is also why I havent builded a 'reputation', and to be honest, I don't really care for a reputation. If I did, I wouldn't have opened my mouth at this time and just do what all the others do.
Only a death fish go's with the stream.
-unknown but certainly true.
I always wanted to do design work that was other then the current WB skinning companies. Ofcourse I know I am not the topskinner on the planet or something but I can see, and I hear, that I deliver a fairly good quility of work. That compared with a fairly good price is a good working formula for business. (We, 2 designers, 1 coder and me, have a waiting list of 2 weeks now... that should say enough.) But then again, to say that I probably have to be arrogant
Styl-X Design
Reply #85 Friday, September 10, 2004 2:02 PM
Reply #85 Friday, September 10, 2004 2:02 PM
Damit, I am sure I used the car-paint material for the renders, looks like I have been ripped of 
TasT
Reply #86 Friday, September 10, 2004 2:40 PM
Reply #86 Friday, September 10, 2004 2:40 PM
Arrogance will get you no where, especially with paying customers, no matter how good your product. In my world I am as nice and curtious as possible to customers. Our products are not necessities and are priced in the luxury catagory ( though much lower than the nearest competition).
We design, build, tool and cover motorcycle seats. We've been doing it localy for quite a while and have a excellent rep, but we have lost customers to what I call artistic differences. Which is a nice way of saying that neither myself or my partner could get along with the customer long enough to get the seat or whatever done.
This doesn't happpen often, but what does happen quite often is that we get customers that have been to a shop across town where the owner is brash, a little arrogant and some say worse. We cost more, take longer and are generally backed up a few days, but some of the customers would rather wait than put up with his Attitude.
We design, build, tool and cover motorcycle seats. We've been doing it localy for quite a while and have a excellent rep, but we have lost customers to what I call artistic differences. Which is a nice way of saying that neither myself or my partner could get along with the customer long enough to get the seat or whatever done.
This doesn't happpen often, but what does happen quite often is that we get customers that have been to a shop across town where the owner is brash, a little arrogant and some say worse. We cost more, take longer and are generally backed up a few days, but some of the customers would rather wait than put up with his Attitude.
Styl-X Design
Reply #87 Friday, September 10, 2004 2:45 PM
Reply #87 Friday, September 10, 2004 2:45 PM
TasT, I have never ever had a customer that I couldn't get along with, ofcourse I would keep some worths to myself if its a small assignment but this haven't happend to me. Also, Like I already said, if my client think I am hard to handle or something, he's free to switch. Most of our payments (above a certain ammount, and that ammount is very low) happen afterwards and they can cancel any time.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #88 Friday, September 10, 2004 2:57 PM
Reply #88 Friday, September 10, 2004 2:57 PM
Maybe we should take this back to where jafo suggested this thread as just being a simple self promotion. Cause thats all it is. A free attempt at using WC's messageboards to gain some work.
TasT
Reply #90 Friday, September 10, 2004 3:13 PM
Reply #90 Friday, September 10, 2004 3:13 PM
TasT thinks we should let him run all his business away.
The more people read words like arrogance in association with a person the less likely they will be to purchase that persons product....
The more people read words like arrogance in association with a person the less likely they will be to purchase that persons product....
Styl-X Design
Reply #91 Friday, September 10, 2004 3:29 PM
Reply #91 Friday, September 10, 2004 3:29 PM
Well NT, its not a promotion thread to get some more work or something, as I said we were busy...
Damn... again that arrogance.
Any admin, feel free to delete this thread, I am going to do what I said I was going to some posts ago.
See some of you guys arround.
Damn... again that arrogance.
Any admin, feel free to delete this thread, I am going to do what I said I was going to some posts ago.
See some of you guys arround.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #92 Friday, September 10, 2004 3:46 PM
Reply #92 Friday, September 10, 2004 3:46 PM
no arrogance is not stateing you have work. arrogance is coming here stateing that everybodys works look to Photoshopish and that none has ever thought of tryin 3D, other than a simple bevel..like its a new concept or something ..im sorry but a few of doodle bugs skins are more 3D than what ive seen posted here in this thread .. and like its been said they were made with PSP.. not a 3D program.. not to mention they have been out for about 4 years now ? so no 3d is not a new concept at all...
oh and Renato/Dangeruss/Thredzs/Tech13 are in my opinion a few of the skinners who are untouchable.. meaning their reputations in the skinning community are unsurpassed.
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oh and Renato/Dangeruss/Thredzs/Tech13 are in my opinion a few of the skinners who are untouchable.. meaning their reputations in the skinning community are unsurpassed.
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paxx
Reply #93 Friday, September 10, 2004 3:57 PM
BTW: This is Overbyte, by Gabriel. [Message Edited]
Reply #93 Friday, September 10, 2004 3:57 PM
How about this skin:
(click for full
size)
But again, it's just Photoshop gradients too...
BTW: This is Overbyte, by Gabriel. [Message Edited]
Watson
Reply #94 Friday, September 10, 2004 4:05 PM
Reply #94 Friday, September 10, 2004 4:05 PM
Yep, seen that one, 3d if you ask me, but it lacks the newer functions
paxx
Reply #95 Friday, September 10, 2004 4:06 PM
Reply #95 Friday, September 10, 2004 4:06 PM
Yes, am not talking about functions, but about the design.
HG_Eliminator
Reply #96 Friday, September 10, 2004 4:08 PM
Reply #96 Friday, September 10, 2004 4:08 PM
exactly paxx.... it's very 3D and it looks good .. i cant see how any body could say no ones ever tried anything more than a few beveled edges..
SelfExiled
Reply #98 Friday, September 10, 2004 6:13 PM
Reply #98 Friday, September 10, 2004 6:13 PM
It's strange to me when a skinner talks about how everyones stuff is flat and not 3D, and yet they don't show us how it is suppose to look.
If it is a noob, then we can just ignore them. But, when it is a skinner, who seems to be slamming everyone elses work, it makes me wonder.
If it is a noob, then we can just ignore them. But, when it is a skinner, who seems to be slamming everyone elses work, it makes me wonder.
Watson
Reply #99 Friday, September 10, 2004 6:36 PM
Reply #99 Friday, September 10, 2004 6:36 PM
All your stuff is flat...and mine is 4 Dimensional! Mwuahahahahaha
HG_Eliminator
Reply #100 Friday, September 10, 2004 6:38 PM
Reply #100 Friday, September 10, 2004 6:38 PM
ur world is flat .. and all ur bases are mine !!!!!
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Reply #81 Friday, September 10, 2004 1:37 PM